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On 12/06/2021 13:21, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:59:35 +0100, Richard
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On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:

snip the garbage you posted and retain the link I supplied


Ah, back to you own pro-animal-cruelty justification / agenda.

Here,
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/193...ve-export-ban/


And there is *still* no point me reading it.


Your ignorance is boundless
The link was *not* to a petition. It is a letter written by someone who
actually cares about animal welfare as opposed to the self-obsessed
bigotry constantly vomited up by you.


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On 11/06/2021 15:43, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 14:53:19 +0100, John Rumm
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On 11/06/2021 14:29, williamwright wrote:

I keep seeing irrational attitudes displayed that are characteristic of
the elderly. I hope I don't ever get like that.


I am sure someone will warn you if you do!


Both of you to help I tried, the indoctrination runs deep it does.

https://ibb.co/0CMRm0B ;-)

"Pass on what you have learned."

;-)


Trust you revert to your fanatical norm.

You are the perfect example of "irrational attitudes displayed that are
characteristic of the elderly".
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:13:29 +0100, Andrew
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snip

snip even more emotive nonsense.


Ah yes, the ability to use emotions like compassion and benevolence to
determine how we consider other species.

D i m wants to live in world where huge numbers of animal
species would become extinct,


Do I? That sounds like some sort of BULL**** you have just made up?

because unless there is a reason
for them to exist,


Correct. If the only reason the exist is because we bred them to eat
or exploit and especially those that wouldn't survive in the wild then
they shouldn't be here in the first place (and shouldn't be here now).

no-one is going to waste money keeping them,


Of course ... and not just waste money, waste food, waste water, cause
pollution, create antibiotic resistance in those who consume them,
risk zoonotic pandemics etc etc.

apart from hobby farmers with huge primary assets and incomes.


Don't forget the bodies doing good work trying to undo the damage we
have done to thousands of creatures we are putting at risk though our
destruction of their habitat and the eventual massive cost to us.

Few if any of the animals will be bred because at some point
there will be too many.


Wow, I think the penny is actually dropping, albeit for the wrong
reasons ...

Just like the nonsense of 'rewilding'
parts of the country because unless you reintroduce wolves and
bears? too, there will be no natural predators for wild deer and
boar, who then multiply and end up causing a nuisance or simply
dying from starvation because there are too many of them.


Like they would *naturally* you mean? How on earth did they all manage
before we got here?

So, another one wanting to play god and cost us all dearly.

Well done you for yet another demonstration of just how ignorant you
are about any of it.

Cheers, T i m
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On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:49:30 +0100, Richard
wrote:

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Perhaps you could stop with the sermons here


Sermons to you are advocacy / passion to protect innocent and sentient
creatures to others.

and do something positive
to stop the cruelty.


I am doing *WAY* more then you could ever do by signing petitions ...
I'm not supporting the process in the first place!


Quite, you do more to encourage the eating of meat than anyone else I know.

See, it's easy. If everyone stopped paying to have all these animals
killed and exploited, they would stop killing and exploiting them. It
*really* couldn't be any simpler could it (even for you)!


It isn't so easy. Eating a strict vegan diet is shown to be damaging for
children. There are a lot of health warning given by medical
professionals when embarking on a vegan diet.

https://ibb.co/XxFLT2y

I am against the export of live animals.


Why is that then. Do they not still die at the end of their trip
*anyway*? Surely a couple of days of discomfort is nothing compared
with only living a fraction of your natural life? Now, when you show
me livestock willingly bolt gunning itself in the head or walking into
a gas chamber then cutting it's own throat as opposed to desperately
trying to avoid when it knows is likely to not be what it wants for
itself, then I would agree with your virtue signaling.


The only signal is that many of us are against the export of live
animals. Whereas you don't make the same claim and so contribute to the
status quo.

They
should be slaughtered in the countries where they are bred and exported
as a foodstuff.


Nope,


I can assure you they could.

see, again you are fighting the wrong cause.


It is the right cause.

They shouldn't be
slaughtered at all and the chances are the vast majority wouldn't be
if the people wanting to consume their flesh had to do it themselves.


Wrong. We live in an advanced society so processes are compartmentalised
into jobs. In much the same way you watch a TV you didn't build, I eat
meat that has been slaughtered by someone else.

Doesn't that tell you anything about just how unnatural (in most of
the civilised population in 2021) and barbaric it is, if most people
couldn't do it and certainly would let their kids even see it?


We have evolved to eat meat, to consume vitamins that are only present
in meat and meat products.

Yes, we know you're a pervert and would like children to watch various
acts that would be classed as age restricted.

And talking of that, look how early the indoctrination starts:

https://ibb.co/wcMQjvn

"Cows produce milk for their calves (and people) to drink."

No they ****ing don't. Cows don't and never have produced milk 'for
people to drink'. They have only ever produced milk for their calves
to drink and we steal it off them, often killing the calf to do so!

Does that not sound sick to you?


No, because we have evolved to digest milk in adulthood. You may be the
exception here where your doctor has advised not to drink milk.

Can you not see how logically inconsistent it all is?

https://ibb.co/NNXLFmx


Quite, this is consistent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALnsIHIupnk

Hopefully you are grown up enough to understand that.


Oh the irony.

https://ibb.co/tm1WzCR ;-)


Is that meant to convey a message?

No, the bottom line is 'most people' prefer to bury their heads and
morals in the sand and carry on doing what they were brought up to do
and accept as 'normal' because they are normalised to the idea and
addicted to the taste (dopamine). Because of the (apparent) social
acceptance, normalisation, commercialisation and marketing we continue
to 'go along with it' but if they dared to look just a little closer,
most people would question it all (especially if forced to do it
themselves).


The bottom line is I want my family eat eat a healthy balanced diet. For
the young ones in my family to maintain normal brain development, rather
than eating a vegan diet and end up with a low IQ.

So the truth is most people are sufficiently abstract from it all to
allow the cognitive dissonance, the logical inconsistency and the
physic numbing to override their morals, meaning that ITRW, people
don't really like and respect animals, they love their pets and some
'special cause' (often a man made issue) wildlife ... or abused
donkeys but really prefer not to confront what would be real internal
conflicts if they were only to open their eyes and minds.


The truth is we want a natural balanced, wholesome diet, one that
doesn't disadvantage our loved ones and growing children.

Not much to ask for, is it?

BTW, there is no cognitive dissonance. It must appear greatly in your
life to keep mentioning it. No ethical vegan would keep pets, but a
fanatical one, envious we're allowed to eat meat, must be in a great
dilemma.
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On 12/06/2021 13:21, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:59:35 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:

snip the garbage you posted and retain the link I supplied


Ah, back to you own pro-animal-cruelty justification / agenda.

Here,
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/193...ve-export-ban/


And there is *still* no point me reading it.


So you don't support the ethical treatment of animals?

I tried.


No you didn't, you admitted you ignored everything I said because you
want to continue causing innocent animals pain, suffering,


No, that is the difference between the likes of us and you. We want to
minimise animal suffering, whereas you don't.

exploitation and death.


Necessary in providing a natural balanced diet for us.

You are completely irrational.


Oh the irony.

You play your virtual signaling by feigning interest in animal welfare
whilst continuing to cause animal welfare issues in the first place
because you like the taste of *their* (*their* notice, it's not
*yours*) flesh and excretions?


You play your virtual signalling by feigning interest in animal welfare
whilst continuing your fanatical crusade, driven by envy, to stop us
eating meat.

I (nor the millions of others round the world who *really* care about
animals


That's a lie. You have never supported any campaign to promote netter
animal welfare.

(and not just pets and those we don't want to eat or exploit))


You do exploit your pets. You have their genitals mutilated for your
personal pleasure.

show our genuine interest in animal welfare by not exploiting or
killing them. QED.


That is necessary for us to maintain a natural, balanced diet.

This is just how 'rational' you are being ...

https://ibb.co/y8nVzK9


For once you have a point. It is sad there is no petition to end the
inhumane conditions of slaughter of animals. Not that you care in any case.


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On 12/06/2021 13:37, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:13:29 +0100, Andrew
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snip

snip even more emotive nonsense.



Well done you for yet another demonstration of just how ignorant you
are about any of it.

Cheers, T i m


I think a straw poll of people here will put you in the ignorant
camp simply because you have not, and cannot think through what you
are suggesting.
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:29:26 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 12/06/2021 13:21, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:59:35 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:

snip the garbage you posted and retain the link I supplied


Ah, back to you own pro-animal-cruelty justification / agenda.

Here,
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/193...ve-export-ban/


And there is *still* no point me reading it.


Your ignorance is boundless


Oh the irony. You *think* that anything you are likely to come out
with is going to be of any real interest to me and benefit to the
animals?

I only needed to read the heading "LETTER - People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals can for live export ban" to imagine how well
constructed the rest of it might be.

The link was *not* to a petition.


shrug I did start to look but I had to fill in a questionnaire to
read further so didn't bother (and because I knew there was little
point).

It is a letter written by someone who
actually cares about animal welfare as opposed to the self-obsessed
bigotry constantly vomited up by you.


Ah yes, making the slaves 'more comfortable' rather than not keeping
slaves at all.

Cheers, T i m

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On 12/06/2021 14:02, T i m wrote:
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**** off. The eating **** and dying is optional.
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:59:35 +0100, Andrew
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On 12/06/2021 13:37, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:13:29 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

snip

snip even more emotive nonsense.



Well done you for yet another demonstration of just how ignorant you
are about any of it.


I think a straw poll of people here


Oh, of a majority of old meat eaters? g No, you surprise me!

will put you in the ignorant
camp simply because you have not, and cannot think through what you
are suggesting.


In your opinion.

Unfortunately (for you), I share my POV with millions of people,
including many experts, scientists AND farmers and that number is ever
growing.

https://ibb.co/rdQvftm

Once it's reached critical mass, *you* will be seen for the ignorant
person you are.

https://ibb.co/fxwS97T

Cheers, T i m
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On 12/06/2021 15:36, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 14:32:20 +0100, Richard
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On 12/06/2021 14:02, T i m wrote:
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**** off. The eating **** and dying is optional.


I don't understand why the various subscribers to this forum who
continually argue with T i m don't just kill-file him. Arguing with
him or abusing him is pointless.


Well, I thought that I might be able to get him to see that the people
who he is vilifying might actually care more than he thinks they do.
The attempt was futile so I resorted to abusing him as arguing with an
idiot is folly.


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