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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim

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On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well have
'bounced' towards him. There must have been some wind load / pressure
difference either side of that wall.

I didn't think there were any special measures, just wall plates must
tied to walls.

In fact a heavy wall taking rafters with it might present more of a danger.

Gable collapse
 

On 26/05/2021 16:51, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well have
'bounced' towards him.

He is so cool about it. How did he manage that? He just waited a second
until bits stopped dropping, then carried on as if nothing had happened.

Gable collapse
 

GB wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:51, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well have
'bounced' towards him.

He is so cool about it. How did he manage that? He just waited a second
until bits stopped dropping, then carried on as if nothing had happened.

Probably wondering where the nearest place to change his underwear would
be. ;-)

Tim

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On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim

no ....should be self supporting and not require that to be done.....

Gable collapse
 

Tim+ wrote:

GB wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:51, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well have
'bounced' towards him.

He is so cool about it. How did he manage that? He just waited a second
until bits stopped dropping, then carried on as if nothing had happened.

Probably wondering where the nearest place to change his underwear would
be. ;-)

He genuinely didn't look bothered ...

Gable collapse
 

On 26/05/2021 18:58, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim

no ....should be self supporting and not require that to be done.....

Except you would never allow a wall without piers if it was at floor level.

Gable collapse
 

On 26/05/2021 17:40, GB wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:51, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well
have 'bounced' towards him.

He is so cool about it. How did he manage that? He just waited a second
until bits stopped dropping, then carried on as if nothing had happened.



Stoned out of his tiny. Thought he was hallucinating it ;-)



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"GB" wrote in message
...
On 26/05/2021 16:51, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well have
'bounced' towards him.

He is so cool about it.

Not inside he wasnt.

How did he manage that?

By being on his way to the train to an exam.

He just waited a second until bits stopped dropping, then carried on as if
nothing had happened.

Pity about the state of his undies.

Wonder how he did in the exam.

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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Tim+ wrote:

GB wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:51, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

That guy was lucky not to have been hit by a brick that could well have
'bounced' towards him.

He is so cool about it. How did he manage that? He just waited a second
until bits stopped dropping, then carried on as if nothing had happened.

Probably wondering where the nearest place to change his underwear would
be. ;-)

He genuinely didn't look bothered ...

But he has said that he actually was.

Gable collapse
 

On 26/05/2021 19:22, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 18:58, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim

no ....should be self supporting and not require that to be done.....

Except you would never allow a wall without piers if it was at floor level.
what?

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On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim


It wouldn't be the first wall where the architect had failed to allow
for a strong wind creating a low pressure zone on one side.

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On 27/05/2021 06:45, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 26/05/2021 19:22, Fredxx wrote:
On 26/05/2021 18:58, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim

no ....should be self supporting and not require that to be done.....

Except you would never allow a wall without piers if it was at floor
level.
what?

If you built a garden wall you would be obliged to place piers
periodically to assist it's strength from being pushed over.

There was a photo recently of a garden wall in this group where several
commented on the lack of piers.

I know this was a cavity wall, but this is often said to be much weaker
than a solid 9" wall, and if the inner skin was light Thermalite block
this would only compound the issue.

For avoidance of doubt:
https://www.gardeningdata.co.uk/cons...etcherpier.php
https://www.diy-extra.co.uk/building-a-brick-pier.html

https://gardenseeker.co.uk/landscape...the_garden.htm

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On 27/05/2021 10:37, nightjar wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim


It wouldn't be the first wall where the architect had failed to allow
for a strong wind creating a low pressure zone on one side.


Not helped by the design. That gable wall has a parapet and the roof
tiles form a 90 degree joint which has to be weatherproofed with lead.

London building regs used to make this mandatory to minimize the
spread of fire along a terrace of houses, but it means the roof
tiles do not overlap the gable (requiring a barge board arrangement
to finish it). This extension of the roof over the gable wall provides
a lateral locating function because the 'ladder' that is nailed,fixed
to the truss(es) immediately inboard of the cavity wall is built into
the cavity wall as well, locking the two together more securely.

That design should have had 1 metre long galvanised ties shaped
like hockey sticks buuilt into the cavity and screwed to the
underside of the trusses. This is potentially a windy part of
the country. Wind speed gusts of over 80mph were recorded on the IoW.

Gable collapse
 

On 27/05/2021 13:00, Andrew wrote:
On 27/05/2021 10:37, nightjar wrote:
On 26/05/2021 16:11, Tim+ wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-57253967

Would it be normal for the rafters to be tied into the brickwork to
resist
the gable potentially being €œblown out€�?

Tim


It wouldn't be the first wall where the architect had failed to allow
for a strong wind creating a low pressure zone on one side.


Not helped by the design. That gable wall has a parapet and the roof
tiles form a 90 degree joint which has to be weatherproofed with lead.

London building regs used to make this mandatory to minimize the
spread of fire along aÂ* terrace of houses, but it means the roof
tiles do not overlap the gable (requiring a barge board arrangement
to finish it). This extension of the roof over the gable wall provides
a lateral locating function because the 'ladder' that is nailed,fixed
to the truss(es) immediately inboard of the cavity wall is built into
the cavity wall as well, locking the two together more securely.

That design should have had 1 metre long galvanised ties shaped
like hockey sticks buuilt into the cavity and screwed to the
underside of the trusses.Â* This is potentially a windy part of
the country. Wind speed gusts of over 80mph were recorded on the IoW.

Also, where is the cavity wall insulation ?. It should be present all
the way up to the apex to comply with building regs, either full fill
batts or 'celotex'. I cannot see either.