is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

On 25/02/2021 08:14, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...


bakerlight?

Is this so bakers can see their dough in the dark during a power cut?

On 25/02/2021 08:18, S wrote:
On 25/02/2021 08:14, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...


bakerlight?

Is this so bakers can see their dough in the dark during a power cut?

ebay spelling

It may be spelled oddly but a mr baker invented it, its the first plastic
really, not very durable and tended to be in black or brown, it also
blistered and melted.
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On 25/02/2021 08:14, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
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bakerlight?

Is this so bakers can see their dough in the dark during a power cut?

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

It may be spelled oddly but a mr baker invented it,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite#History

its the first plastic really, not very durable

Very durable indeed in fact.

and tended to be in black or brown, it also blistered and melted.

Nope, it chars when burnt.

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bakerlight?

Is this so bakers can see their dough in the dark during a power cut?

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On 25/02/2021 08:14, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
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Dunno - isn't Paxolin some kind of sage and onion stuffing?

No that is Paxo.
I really feel you need to learn to use a search engine. I grew up with both
substances actually, may cheap pcbs and tag strips were made of paroling.
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On 25/02/2021 08:14, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
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Dunno - isn't Paxolin some kind of sage and onion stuffing?

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:14:56 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
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Wrong group again?

Cheers, T i m

On 25/02/2021 09:01, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:14:56 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
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Wrong group again?

Cheers, T i m

no no

Well not entirely, there is a lot in common between paxolin and decorative
laminate.
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:14:56 +0000, "Jimmy Stewart ..."
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Wrong group again?

Cheers, T i m

Do you mean when my dad removed and discarded the nice top
of our pine kitchen table and replaced it with a slab of
new-fangled chipboard with red formica laminate and black
plastic edging, he could have mounted some interesting
resistors and caps on it ? :-)

Andrew

On 25/02/2021 16:50, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Well not entirely, there is a lot in common between paxolin and decorative
laminate.
Brian

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:50:47 +0000, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:

Well not entirely, there is a lot in common between paxolin and
decorative laminate.

People who tried that might disagree. Due to the metallic layer for heat
resistance.


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Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
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No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

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Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

"bakelite". Used for radio cases, telephones, etc.

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On 25/02/2021 09:51, charles wrote:
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Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

"bakelite". Used for radio cases, telephones, etc.

Phenolic resin. Made from coal tar IIRC

With paper its a PCB material with a filler its bakelite


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Chris Green wrote:

Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Indeed. Officially I think it is SRBP

Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper industrial laminate

https://www.aiplastics.com/blog/srbp-p1-applications/

Available in two grades, only one being suitable for high voltage
applications.

When GEC took over AEI, guess who built a set of AC locomotive 25
kV tapchangers with the wrong grade, because of different factory
norms. There was a bit of a bang! :-(

For greater physical strength there is also SRBF, which has
fabric reinforcement.

https://www.aiplastics.com/blog/what-is-srbf-uses/

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Chris Green wrote:

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Indeed. Officially I think it is SRBP
Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper industrial laminate

Ah, the nostalgic smell of junior hacksaw on veroboard ...

On 25/02/2021 11:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Indeed. Officially I think it is SRBP
Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper industrial laminate

Ah, the nostalgic smell of junior hacksaw on veroboard ...

hated veroboard...nothing I ever made with it worked ......

On 25/02/2021 11:18 am, Andy Burns wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Indeed. Officially I think it is SRBP
Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper industrial laminate

Ah, the nostalgic smell of junior hacksaw on veroboard ...

That's it!

Reading these posts brought to mind the wonderful Bakelite Museum, formerly located near the station at Williton, Somerset. Terry & I stumbled on this by accident when visiting the West Somerset Railway.

The collection of one man, Patrick Cook, the museum was a seriously overcrowded treasure trove of things-you'd-forgotten-ever-existed, things you never considered might be made of Bakelite, and Bakelite in myriad bold colours, not just brown. Patrick was a delightful, friendly guide and we spent hours there, lost in nostalgia.

The museum closed a couple of years ago and the hope was to move into bigger, more centrally located and accessible premises. There is no clue on their website as to when or if this might happen but, like everyone else, Patrick and his helpers have had their lives and activity put on hold for the past year. For anyone interested, there are some pictures at www.bakelitemuseum.net

The museum at Williton was our second foray into an exhibition of early 20th century plastics. Sometime in the late 1990s, we visited the Philips Museum at Eindhoven when it was still based in part of the industrial complex on the outside,irts of town. Among the other electrical/broadcasting ephemera was a section covering Philite, Philips' own version of Bakelite, developed while the Bakelite patent was still current. After the patent on Bakelite expired, they continued to manufacture and use Philite because it was more economical to do so and the product had proved just as durable as Bakelite. Sadly, when we visited the enlarged and much slicker Philips Museum in its new home in 2015, there was no trace of the Philite collection, merely a few older exhibits with what were clearly Philite plugs or radios with Philite cabinetry but I can recall no mention anywhere of the product.

I believe there is or was also a Bakelite museum in Berlin but on my only visit to that city, I had no time to seek it out.

On 04/03/2021 14:50, JNugent wrote:
On 25/02/2021 11:18 am, Andy Burns wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Indeed. Officially I think it is SRBP
Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper industrial laminate

Ah, the nostalgic smell of junior hacksaw on veroboard ...

That's it!

Or overheating brake and clutch pads - a nice mixture of asbestos and
phenolic resin..

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:23:21 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Synthetic Resin Bonded Paper, I think.


Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite hard
and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.





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Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think it is made from layer of paper.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

It's also very brittle. Would say not suitable for a PCB etc. Best quality
ones of those these days are glass fibre.

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On 25/02/2021 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think it is made from layer of paper.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

It's also very brittle. Would say not suitable for a PCB etc. Best quality
ones of those these days are glass fibre.

ta much

Dave Plowman wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think it is made from layer of paper.

aka FR2, I think

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

It's also very brittle. Would say not suitable for a PCB etc. Best quality
ones of those these days are glass fibre.

aka FR4

On 25/02/2021 11:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think it is made from layer of paper.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

It's also very brittle. Would say not suitable for a PCB etc. Best quality
ones of those these days are glass fibre.

I recall many old TVs would have SRBP, which cost a few pennies less
than SRBF. It was always single sided with a few wire links for those
difficult routes. No plated through holes and lots of dry joints!

I can't recall the last time I saw a SRBP board.

On 25/02/2021 09:23, Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

I'm assuming here that while the name Bakolite has been used this refers
to the more common term Bakelite? The difference being through confusion
of trade marks.

While Bakelite is a resin, the items we see called Bakelite are actually
also a moulded laminate though can be any filler.

Paxolin is a normally a sheet with paper as the filler material, or SRBP.

On 25/02/2021 12:12, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/02/2021 09:23, Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

I'm assuming here that while the name Bakolite has been used this refers
to the more common term Bakelite? The difference being through confusion
of trade marks.

While Bakelite is a resin, the items we see called Bakelite are actually
also a moulded laminate though can be any filler.

Paxolin is a normally a sheet with paper as the filler material, or SRBP.



Ah bakelite.....!

Its the trade name for phenolic resin which is made by a reaction
between phenol and formaldehyde.

Was developed around the 1910's by Leo Hendrik Baekeland following
previous work by Adolf Von Baeyer and the General Bakelite company was
founded in 1910.

On 25/02/2021 09:23 am, Chris Green wrote:

Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:

is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think "Paxolin" might be a brand name, but the material is an
impregnated laminated fibre or paper, used exactly as you say.

The stuff has a very distinctive smell when heated (eg, when being cut
with a saw). There's a place a few miles from here that makes (or used
to make) circuit boards to order. You often get that smell as you pass.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

I wouldn't be sure that bakelite is in current use. The world doesn't
really have much use for non-thermoplastic, brittle materials any more.

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On 25/02/2021 09:23 am, Chris Green wrote:

Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:

is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think "Paxolin" might be a brand name, but the material is an
impregnated laminated fibre or paper, used exactly as you say.

The stuff has a very distinctive smell when heated (eg, when being cut
with a saw). There's a place a few miles from here that makes (or used to
make) circuit boards to order. You often get that smell as you pass.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

I wouldn't be sure that bakelite is in current use.

Yes it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakeli...tions_and_uses

The world doesn't really have much use for non-thermoplastic, brittle
materials any more.

It isnt that brittle.

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On 04/03/2021 14:49, JNugent wrote:
On 25/02/2021 09:23 am, Chris Green wrote:

Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:

is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.

Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think "Paxolin" might be a brand name, but the material is an
impregnated laminated fibre or paper, used exactly as you say.

The stuff has a very distinctive smell when heated (eg, when being cut
with a saw).Â* There's a place a few miles from here that makes (or used
to make) circuit boards to order. You often get that smell as you pass.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

I wouldn't be sure that bakelite is in current use. The world doesn't
really have much use for non-thermoplastic, brittle materials any more.

Of course it does.

What the **** is china if not brittle, and not thermoplastic?

What the **** do you think Formica is? It started out as bakelite

Phenolic resins are still in use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol...n#Applications


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On 05/03/2021 03:01 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/03/2021 14:49, JNugent wrote:
On 25/02/2021 09:23 am, Chris Green wrote:
Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:

is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, not if my memory serves me right.
Paxolin is the sort of stuff that tag boards and early printed circuit
boards were made of. I.e. it's brown and sort of laminated.

I think "Paxolin" might be a brand name, but the material is an
impregnated laminated fibre or paper, used exactly as you say.
The stuff has a very distinctive smell when heated (eg, when being cut
with a saw).Â* There's a place a few miles from here that makes (or
used to make) circuit boards to order. You often get that smell as you
pass.

Bakolite is an early plastic that was used to make moulded items like
plugs etc. It's often dark brown but doesn't have to be, it's quite
hard and doesn't melt, it chars if you make it very hot and smells.

I wouldn't be sure that bakelite is in current use. The world doesn't
really have much use for non-thermoplastic, brittle materials any more.

Of course it does.
What the **** is china if not brittle, and not thermoplastic?

Perhaps I should have added the qualifier: ...and which does not need to
be glazed, washable and still hygienic after being scrubbed hard by a
hard brush with hot water and soap.

What the **** do you think Formica is? It started out as bakelite

Formica is closer to Paxolin, I'd say.

Phenolic resins are still in use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol...n#Applications

Did anyone say they weren't?

On 05/03/2021 15:50, JNugent wrote:
On 05/03/2021 03:01 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What the **** do you think Formica is? It started out as bakelite

Formica is closer to Paxolin, I'd say.

As its name would suggest, Formica was originally intended as a
substitute for mica. Does anyone know which of the manifold properties
of that useful mineral it was meant to emulate, as the plastic laminate
beloved of caravan owners has no resemblance that I can see?

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:14:56 +0000, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:

is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

NO

On 25/02/2021 09:49, jon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:14:56 +0000, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:

is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

NO

thanks

On 25/02/2021 08:14, Jimmy Stewart ... wrote:
is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

No, it's SRBP

Synthetic-Resin bonded paper

No.
Paxoline is a kind of compressed laminated substance, Bakalite can be
moulded.
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is Paxolin the same as bakerlight ? ...

On 25/02/2021 16:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
No.
Paxoline is a kind of compressed laminated substance, Bakalite can be
moulded.
Brian

The original paxolin was some sort of fabric, reinforced with phenolic
formaldehyde resin.