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What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not
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JohnP wrote:
What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? How about those grip-it fixings, the body fits within a drilled hole to take the weight, the wings rotate behind to clamp the PB from both sides, then insert screw leaving enough proud for the keyhole to fit onto? |
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On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote:
What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Is this 'spur' shelving, or one of the copycat products ?. These are intended for heavy loads. Plasterboard won't support it. I once bought some element32?? uprights because they were cheaper than Spur, but although the spur brackets would fit into the slots, the depth of the non-Spur upright was less than a proper spur upright, making it impossible to move the upright down to the horizontal position without munging two gouges out of the plaster. |
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Andrew wrote in news:s0rl6f$i89$1
@gioia.aioe.org: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Is this 'spur' shelving, or one of the copycat products ?. These are intended for heavy loads. Plasterboard won't support it. I once bought some element32?? uprights because they were cheaper than Spur, but although the spur brackets would fit into the slots, the depth of the non-Spur upright was less than a proper spur upright, making it impossible to move the upright down to the horizontal position without munging two gouges out of the plaster. No - it is an illuminated mirror needing 4 screws. Normally a tight screw provides some surface friction between the wall and the fitting that absorbs some of the downward force. I can't get at the screws once mounted so it is not possible to fully tighten them, Similar issue with other items. |
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There used to be fastenings that had a flange and you tightened against
this, which left a small space between the flange and the head of the device. I have this name in my head something like fastbrolly. Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "JohnP" wrote in message . .. What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? |
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On 20/02/2021 19:42, JohnP wrote:
Andrew wrote in news:s0rl6f$i89$1 @gioia.aioe.org: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Is this 'spur' shelving, or one of the copycat products ?. These are intended for heavy loads. Plasterboard won't support it. I once bought some element32?? uprights because they were cheaper than Spur, but although the spur brackets would fit into the slots, the depth of the non-Spur upright was less than a proper spur upright, making it impossible to move the upright down to the horizontal position without munging two gouges out of the plaster. No - it is an illuminated mirror needing 4 screws. Normally a tight screw provides some surface friction between the wall and the fitting that absorbs some of the downward force. I can't get at the screws once mounted so it is not possible to fully tighten them, Similar issue with other items. My approach in such cases tends to have been to make a larger hole and shove great gobs of car body filler thorough the holes and when set sand and paint to match the wall and then make the screw holes -- €śProgress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,€ť €“ Ludwig von Mises |
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On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote:
What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...tool-kit/903kk and then depending on the depth of the plasterboard https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-h...-10-pack/12229 -- Adam |
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On Sunday, 21 February 2021 at 10:14:37 UTC, ARW wrote:
On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...tool-kit/903kk and then depending on the depth of the plasterboard https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-h...-10-pack/12229 -- Adam +1 Richard |
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:14:33 +0000, ARW
wrote: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...ting-tool-kit/ 903kk and then depending on the depth of the plasterboard https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-h...ors-8-16mm-m5- x-52mm-10-pack/12229 100% YES!!! Avpx -- No wizard would normally dream of giving a colleague a leg up unless it was in order to catch them on the hop. (Sourcery) Sun 10036 Sep 10:30:01 GMT 1993 10:30:01 up 21:12, 10 users, load average: 7.74, 6.95, 6.98 |
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JohnP wrote: Andrew wrote in news:s0rl6f$i89$1 @gioia.aioe.org: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Is this 'spur' shelving, or one of the copycat products ?. These are intended for heavy loads. Plasterboard won't support it. I once bought some element32?? uprights because they were cheaper than Spur, but although the spur brackets would fit into the slots, the depth of the non-Spur upright was less than a proper spur upright, making it impossible to move the upright down to the horizontal position without munging two gouges out of the plaster. No - it is an illuminated mirror needing 4 screws. Normally a tight screw provides some surface friction between the wall and the fitting that absorbs some of the downward force. I can't get at the screws once mounted so it is not possible to fully tighten them, Similar issue with other items. With a light item like this where it is unlikely to have any extra load on it - like say a shelf would - ordinary wall plugs should be quite ok. -- *It doesn't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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100% YES!!! Avpx Thnaks Brian, ARW and Nomad. Yes of course - tighten the machine screw to spread the anchor then slacken it. |
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some foam to glue it there?
[g] On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 11:23:40 AM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , JohnP wrote: Andrew wrote in news:s0rl6f$i89$1 @gioia.aioe.org: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Is this 'spur' shelving, or one of the copycat products ?. These are intended for heavy loads. Plasterboard won't support it. I once bought some element32?? uprights because they were cheaper than Spur, but although the spur brackets would fit into the slots, the depth of the non-Spur upright was less than a proper spur upright, making it impossible to move the upright down to the horizontal position without munging two gouges out of the plaster. No - it is an illuminated mirror needing 4 screws. Normally a tight screw provides some surface friction between the wall and the fitting that absorbs some of the downward force. I can't get at the screws once mounted so it is not possible to fully tighten them, Similar issue with other items. With a light item like this where it is unlikely to have any extra load on it - like say a shelf would - ordinary wall plugs should be quite ok. -- *It doesn't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 17:15:30 GMT, JohnP wrote:
What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? If it's not hugely heavy I use screw in plasterboard fixings - google easyfix-self-drill-plasterboard-fixings Screwfix stock them. |
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ARW wrote: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...tool-kit/903kk and then depending on the depth of the plasterboard https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-h...-10-pack/12229 The snag with those here is they never seem to have the correct diameter of the machine screw for the slot. Or the head is wrong. But maybe just me. ;-) I can usually find a wood screw in my box which is perfect. -- *If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote:
What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Why not use the type that use machine screws and a deformeable metal plug? Fit, tighten, remove the screw, put a nut on it, screw the screw to the required depth and use the nut to lock it tight to the wall fixing? |
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On 21/02/2021 12:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , ARW wrote: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...tool-kit/903kk and then depending on the depth of the plasterboard https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-h...-10-pack/12229 The snag with those here is they never seem to have the correct diameter of the machine screw for the slot. Or the head is wrong. But maybe just me. ;-) I can usually find a wood screw in my box which is perfect. I suppose I am lucky as I have https://www.bapp.co.uk/index.html round the corner from home and round the corner from the office. I have sometimes had to buy new bolts for the things I am fitting for the reasons you have given. -- Adam |
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On 21 Feb 2021 at 12:08:11 GMT, ""Dave Plowman" News)"
wrote: In article , ARW wrote: On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...tool-kit/903kk and then depending on the depth of the plasterboard https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-h...-10-pack/12229 The snag with those here is they never seem to have the correct diameter of the machine screw for the slot. Or the head is wrong. But maybe just me. ;-) I can usually find a wood screw in my box which is perfect. They're standard metric screws available in an infinite variety of lengths, materials and heads. For small quantities Ebay is a reasonable source. -- Roger Hayter |
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: 100% YES!!! Avpx Thnaks Brian, ARW and Nomad. Yes of course - tighten the machine screw to spread the anchor then slacken it. I would advise investing in the setting tool they do a much better job and aren't that expensive, this one 12.99: https://www.toolstation.com/rawlplug...ng-tool/p76505 Pull until they _just_ pinch, no more, beware overtightening the screw. The fixings aren't generally that well made and the threads will tend to strip out if you use the screw to set them, def don't use a drill driver to set them via the screw. I also use an hand screwdriver to start the screws in the thread and for the final tighten, better feel. Failed fixings need drilled out which can get messy so avoid. Watch out also for certain sizes of fixing having long unsplit sections of shank below the flange, they're meant for thicker boarding or through fixture fitting and they won't grip properly on regular 8 or 12mm board. Toolstation's range are particularly bad for this with random sizes being long shank and not mentioned in the description. I don't have any reject packs handy to advise but perhaps buy a few adjacent sizes and return the unsuitable ones. |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 20/02/2021 17:15, JohnP wrote: What fixing do you recommend in a plasterboard wall there it is not possible to tighten the screws as the item need to slot onto it with keyhole slots? Why not use the type that use machine screws and a deformeable metal plug? Fit, tighten, remove the screw, put a nut on it, screw the screw to the required depth and use the nut to lock it tight to the wall fixing? But then the nut gets in the way of the keyhole slots. |
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