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Chris Green wrote:
"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" wrote:
The Logitek wireless keyboards are very good.

Yes, we have several of those, I've worn out (or scratched off) one
letter on mine but that's not a big issue really.

I think it is. My ancient IBM style clunky keyboard still has perfect
lettering. Because it is engraved and filled. Most modern ones simply
printed.

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Dave W wrote:

So go on, tell us what it was in Word.

Apparently, macros saved as part of the Normal template are not
automatically applied to documents created before the addition, even though
they used the Normal template themselves.

Perhaps it was a foolish expectation on my part that they would be, rather
than an oddity, but Word has so many idiosyncrasies that I just thought my
assumption would be right.

Owain Lastname wrote:

It *was* the industry standard, but they botched
moving to Windows and never managed a coherent
office suite presentation in the way MS did.

Yes, that's fair. When I started writing it was still in the days of DOS
and I remember comparing my trusty software with the new Windows version and
not caring for the changes.

On 16/01/2021 15:21, Bert Coules wrote:
Dave W wrote:

So go on, tell us what it was in Word.

Apparently, macros saved as part of the Normal template are not
automatically applied to documents created before the addition, even
though they used the Normal template themselves.


JOOI which version of Word? And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....?


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Robin wrote:

JOOI which version of Word?

"JOO"? And it's Word 2003.

And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....?

I've never used either. This is Alt + F then O.

On 17/01/2021 02:44, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote:

JOOI which version of Word?

"JOO"?

Sorry. "Just Out Of Interest".

And it's Word 2003.

Â*And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....?

I've never used either.Â* This is Alt + F thenÂ* O.


My mistake. Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to
macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close
docs.

If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run
it from a previously created document then I never met that with 2003
which I used to use with a /lot/ of macros. But as you're now sorted
I'll put that down as a rare example of my being lucky.



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On 17/01/2021 07:27, Robin wrote:
On 17/01/2021 02:44, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote:

JOOI which version of Word?

"JOO"?

Sorry. "Just Out Of Interest".

And it's Word 2003.

Â*And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....?

I've never used either.Â* This is Alt + F thenÂ* O.


My mistake.Â* Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to
macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close
docs.

If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run
it from a previously created document then I never met that with 2003
which I used to use with a /lot/ of macros. But as you're now sorted
I'll put that down as a rare example of my being lucky.



Word processors have got completely out of hand. It took me several
google searches to reveal that a style can be overriden by local
formatting which need to be cleared..

sigh. till haven't got background colour on drop caps sorted




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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Word processors have got completely out of hand. It took me several
google searches to reveal that a style can be overriden by local
formatting which need to be cleared..

I stopped using 'word processors' back in the 1980s (probably, it was
so long ago I can't really remember).

Much of my communication is by E-Mail and that *should* be only plain
text really, I see no good reason for lots of formatting in an E-Mail.

If you want to emphasise something then *emphasise* it and, if you
want a heading:-

A Heading
=========

Even letters I write I simply edit some plain text and fire it at the
printer, hand written letters don't have big headings so why should
simple printed ones?


If I do actually want some formatted text then I use something like
reStructuredText (look it up, it's a general sort of markup language)
and convert it to HTML or whatever I happen to need.

Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for
*everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at
actually managing, changing and formatting *text*.

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Chris Green wrote:

Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for
*everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at
actually managing, changing and formatting *text*.

That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than
12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations that
vary.

Robin wrote:

My mistake. Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to
macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close
docs.

Ah, thanks for explaining that. Does "running" mean that they have an
immediate visible effect, or that they are there, hidden, to be used at
need?

I'm very conscious of the fact that I use no more than a tiny (tiny)
fraction of what Word can do.

If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run it
from a previously created document...

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

...then I never met that with 2003...

I could of course have been mistaken. When I posted, I was so fed up with
the software that it's possible I wasn't seeing straight.

Thanks for your answers.

On 17/01/2021 10:32, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote:

My mistake.Â* Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to
macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and
close docs.

Ah, thanks for explaining that.Â* Does "running" mean that they have an
immediate visible effect, or that they are there, hidden, to be used at
need?

The Auto- macros run immediately you open, close etc. Whether or not
their effect is visible depends on what the macro does

I'm very conscious of the fact that I use no more than a tiny (tiny)
fraction of what Word can do.

If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot
run it from a previously created document...

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

...then I never met that with 2003...

I could of courseÂ* have been mistaken.Â* When I posted, I was so fed up
with the software that it's possible I wasn't seeing straight.


Yes, the plethora of options and functions can feel chaotic.

But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later
version with the monster that is Multilevel lists.

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Bert Coules wrote:
Chris Green wrote:

Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for
*everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at
actually managing, changing and formatting *text*.

That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than
12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations that
vary.

"12pt Courier New" shouts word processor at me! :-)

A text editor doesn't know about typefaces, or sizes or anything, it
uses whatever you have set as the default for your system. E.g. in my
case (most of the time) it uses the default set in my terminal windows.

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Robin wrote:

But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later
version with the monster that is Multilevel lists.

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever!

On 17/01/2021 10:25, Bert Coules wrote:
Chris Green wrote:

Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for
*everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at
actually managing, changing and formatting *text*.

That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other
than 12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key
assignations that vary.

11 pt liberation serif...the freeware Times Roman...

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On 17/01/2021 11:52, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote:

But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a
later version with the monster that is Multilevel lists.

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version.Â* Ever!
If I get really upset, Joe's Own Editor (JOE) does a seamless wordstar
emulation, albeit in an 80x25 console....



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o.uk...
Chris Green wrote:

Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for
*everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at
actually managing, changing and formatting *text*.

That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than
12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations
that vary.

I'm the reverse, dont do much formatting at all with my
own notes which I have a lot of, but do find that colored
headings work very well indeed.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Word processors have got completely out of hand. It took me several
google searches to reveal that a style can be overriden by local
formatting which need to be cleared..

I stopped using 'word processors' back in the 1980s (probably, it was
so long ago I can't really remember).

Much of my communication is by E-Mail and that *should* be only plain
text really, I see no good reason for lots of formatting in an E-Mail.

More fool you, formatting is to improve communication.

If you want to emphasise something then *emphasise* it

There isnt just one form of emphasis that is useful.

and, if you want a heading:-

A Heading
=========

Not as useful as a different color and bold.

Even letters I write I simply edit some
plain text and fire it at the printer,

I never do those anymore.

hand written letters don't have big headings
so why should simple printed ones?

Because it improves communication, stupid.

If I do actually want some formatted text then
I use something like reStructuredText (look it up,
it's a general sort of markup language) and
convert it to HTML or whatever I happen to need.

A real word processor is a far better way to do that.

Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for
*everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at
actually managing, changing and formatting *text*.

You're a dinosaur.

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Robin wrote:

But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later
version with the monster that is Multilevel lists.

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever!

You dont always have a choice on that.

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Fred wrote:

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever!

You dont always have a choice on that.

I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change?

Fred wrote:

I'm the reverse, dont do much formatting at all with my
own notes...

Ah, but I work in an industry where exact and precise formatting -
especially in the American market - is paramount. I've read of work being
rejected out of hand because it was printed with incorrect page margins.

On 18/01/2021 09:03, Bert Coules wrote:
Fred wrote:

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version.Â* Ever!

You dont always have a choice on that.

I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change?

Mostly because some other program you need insists on it

Example. Skype wont now run on my desktop. Skype versions that do are no
longer accepted by skype.



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On 18/01/2021 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/01/2021 09:03, Bert Coules wrote:
Fred wrote:

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version.
Ever!

You dont always have a choice on that.

I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change?

Mostly because some other program you need insists on it


All things are possible but Office 97 runs under Windows 10 (64 bit) so
MS don't seem to be set on blocking old versions. (I couldn't resist
testing in a VM before I threw away my Office 97 disc as part of a
clear-out.)



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Fred wrote:

I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever!

You dont always have a choice on that.

I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change?

The OS you use is no longer supported and doesnt
get security updates anymore so you have to update
the OS and the updated OS wont run that app.

Or something else you decide you would
like to use wont run on your older OS.

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Fred wrote:

The OS you use is no longer supported and doesnt
get security updates anymore so you have to update
the OS and the updated OS wont run that app.

I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported does
receive period security updates.

Or something else you decide you would
like to use won't run on your older OS.

The only program I've so far come across in that category runs very
successfully on my Win10 laptop, so - at the moment, at least - I have
things covered.

I take your points, though; thanks.

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Fred wrote:

The OS you use is no longer supported and doesnt
get security updates anymore so you have to update
the OS and the updated OS wont run that app.

I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported does
receive period security updates.

But that may not be true forever, XP doesnt anymore.

Or something else you decide you would
like to use won't run on your older OS.

The only program I've so far come across in that category runs very
successfully on my Win10 laptop,

Not true of Skype for example.

so - at the moment, at least - I have things covered.

I take your points, though; thanks.

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Fred wrote:

I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported
does receive period security updates.

But that may not be true forever...

To be honest, my present thinking is that I would sacrifice the latest in
security updates if the alternative was having to replace the software I use
day in, day out, which I can operate with no conscious thought.

The only time I've ever been hacked (to my knowledge) - and it was a serious
business involving my bank account details - I was using a version of
Windows 7 which was completely up to date. Since then, Microsoft's
assurances about the very latest refinements being absolutely essential tend
to ring rather hollow.

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
o.uk...
Fred wrote:

I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported
does receive period security updates.

But that may not be true forever...

To be honest, my present thinking is that I would sacrifice the latest in
security updates if the alternative was having to replace the software I
use day in, day out, which I can operate with no conscious thought.

I am still irritated by the lack of some
of the useful new stuff in the later OSs.

The only time I've ever been hacked (to my knowledge) - and it was a
serious business involving my bank account details - I was using a version
of Windows 7 which was completely up to date. Since then, Microsoft's
assurances about the very latest refinements being absolutely essential
tend to ring rather hollow.

Sure, and you can obviously do more frequent backups
so that you can recover gracefully if you do get infected.

I have also setup my banking so even a successful
hacker is no more than a minor nuisance.

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Fred wrote:

I have also setup my banking so even a successful
hacker is no more than a minor nuisance.

May I ask how you accomplished that?

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Fred wrote:

I have also setup my banking so even a successful
hacker is no more than a minor nuisance.

May I ask how you accomplished that?

The account where my cash is is never visible
to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction
account which never has much of a float in it,
so that even if they loot that, its just a nuisance
until the bank restores what they looted from it.

Even if someone quite literally holds a gun to
my head and forces me to give them the bank
details, they only get the transaction account
details and again, its just a nuisance until the
bank restores what they loot from that.

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Fred wrote:

The account where my cash is is never visible
to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction
account which never has much of a float in it,

Sorry, I posted a reply prematurely. Trying again...

Fred wrote:

The account where my cash is is never visible
to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction
account which never has much of a float in it,

Thanks for that, but I'm not sure I'm with you. Is the invisible account
not online? If it is, how did you render it invisible? I'll understand if
it's a technique you'd prefer not to share.

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Fred wrote:

The account where my cash is is never visible
to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction
account which never has much of a float in it,

Thanks for that, but I'm not sure I'm with you. Is the invisible account
not online?

It is online.

If it is, how did you render it invisible?

None of the account details or even that I have
that account is on any device that can be hacked.
And access requires my fingerprint.

I'll understand if it's a technique you'd prefer not to share.

Thats not a problem.

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Fred wrote:

None of the account details or even that I have
that account is on any device that can be hacked.

That is fascinating. I was under the impression (possibly fed by the makers
of anti-virus software) that there's no such thing as device which, when
connected to the internet, cannot be hacked.