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Chris Green wrote: "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" wrote: The Logitek wireless keyboards are very good. Yes, we have several of those, I've worn out (or scratched off) one letter on mine but that's not a big issue really. I think it is. My ancient IBM style clunky keyboard still has perfect lettering. Because it is engraved and filled. Most modern ones simply printed. -- *Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave W wrote:
So go on, tell us what it was in Word. Apparently, macros saved as part of the Normal template are not automatically applied to documents created before the addition, even though they used the Normal template themselves. Perhaps it was a foolish expectation on my part that they would be, rather than an oddity, but Word has so many idiosyncrasies that I just thought my assumption would be right. |
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Owain Lastname wrote:
It *was* the industry standard, but they botched moving to Windows and never managed a coherent office suite presentation in the way MS did. Yes, that's fair. When I started writing it was still in the days of DOS and I remember comparing my trusty software with the new Windows version and not caring for the changes. |
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On 16/01/2021 15:21, Bert Coules wrote:
Dave W wrote: So go on, tell us what it was in Word. Apparently, macros saved as part of the Normal template are not automatically applied to documents created before the addition, even though they used the Normal template themselves. JOOI which version of Word? And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Robin wrote:
JOOI which version of Word? "JOO"? And it's Word 2003. And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....? I've never used either. This is Alt + F then O. |
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On 17/01/2021 02:44, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote: JOOI which version of Word? "JOO"? Sorry. "Just Out Of Interest". And it's Word 2003. Â*And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....? I've never used either.Â* This is Alt + F thenÂ* O. My mistake. Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close docs. If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run it from a previously created document then I never met that with 2003 which I used to use with a /lot/ of macros. But as you're now sorted I'll put that down as a rare example of my being lucky. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 17/01/2021 07:27, Robin wrote:
On 17/01/2021 02:44, Bert Coules wrote: Robin wrote: JOOI which version of Word? "JOO"? Sorry. "Just Out Of Interest". And it's Word 2003. Â*And is this AutoOpen or AutoClose or....? I've never used either.Â* This is Alt + F thenÂ* O. My mistake.Â* Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close docs. If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run it from a previously created document then I never met that with 2003 which I used to use with a /lot/ of macros. But as you're now sorted I'll put that down as a rare example of my being lucky. Word processors have got completely out of hand. It took me several google searches to reveal that a style can be overriden by local formatting which need to be cleared.. sigh. till haven't got background colour on drop caps sorted -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD) |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Word processors have got completely out of hand. It took me several google searches to reveal that a style can be overriden by local formatting which need to be cleared.. I stopped using 'word processors' back in the 1980s (probably, it was so long ago I can't really remember). Much of my communication is by E-Mail and that *should* be only plain text really, I see no good reason for lots of formatting in an E-Mail. If you want to emphasise something then *emphasise* it and, if you want a heading:- A Heading ========= Even letters I write I simply edit some plain text and fire it at the printer, hand written letters don't have big headings so why should simple printed ones? If I do actually want some formatted text then I use something like reStructuredText (look it up, it's a general sort of markup language) and convert it to HTML or whatever I happen to need. Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for *everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at actually managing, changing and formatting *text*. -- Chris Green · |
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Chris Green wrote:
Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for *everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at actually managing, changing and formatting *text*. That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than 12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations that vary. |
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Robin wrote:
My mistake. Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close docs. Ah, thanks for explaining that. Does "running" mean that they have an immediate visible effect, or that they are there, hidden, to be used at need? I'm very conscious of the fact that I use no more than a tiny (tiny) fraction of what Word can do. If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run it from a previously created document... Yes, that's exactly what I mean. ...then I never met that with 2003... I could of course have been mistaken. When I posted, I was so fed up with the software that it's possible I wasn't seeing straight. Thanks for your answers. |
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On 17/01/2021 10:32, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote: My mistake.Â* Autopen and AutoClose are special names you can give to macros if you want them to be run automatically when you open and close docs. Ah, thanks for explaining that.Â* Does "running" mean that they have an immediate visible effect, or that they are there, hidden, to be used at need? The Auto- macros run immediately you open, close etc. Whether or not their effect is visible depends on what the macro does :) I'm very conscious of the fact that I use no more than a tiny (tiny) fraction of what Word can do. If you mean that when you save a new macro to normal.dot you cannot run it from a previously created document... Yes, that's exactly what I mean. ...then I never met that with 2003... I could of courseÂ* have been mistaken.Â* When I posted, I was so fed up with the software that it's possible I wasn't seeing straight. Yes, the plethora of options and functions can feel chaotic. But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later version with the monster that is Multilevel lists. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Bert Coules wrote:
Chris Green wrote: Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for *everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at actually managing, changing and formatting *text*. That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than 12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations that vary. "12pt Courier New" shouts word processor at me! :-) A text editor doesn't know about typefaces, or sizes or anything, it uses whatever you have set as the default for your system. E.g. in my case (most of the time) it uses the default set in my terminal windows. -- Chris Green · |
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Robin wrote:
But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later version with the monster that is Multilevel lists. I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever! |
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On 17/01/2021 10:25, Bert Coules wrote:
Chris Green wrote: Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for *everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at actually managing, changing and formatting *text*. That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than 12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations that vary. 11 pt liberation serif...the freeware Times Roman... -- "First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your oppressors." - George Orwell |
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On 17/01/2021 11:52, Bert Coules wrote:
Robin wrote: But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later version with the monster that is Multilevel lists. I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version.Â* Ever! If I get really upset, Joe's Own Editor (JOE) does a seamless wordstar emulation, albeit in an 80x25 console.... -- "First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your oppressors." - George Orwell |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message o.uk... Chris Green wrote: Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for *everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at actually managing, changing and formatting *text*. That's interesting, but it's rare indeed for me to use anything other than 12pt Courier New in basic black: it's page layout and key assignations that vary. I'm the reverse, dont do much formatting at all with my own notes which I have a lot of, but do find that colored headings work very well indeed. |
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"Chris Green" wrote in message ... The Natural Philosopher wrote: Word processors have got completely out of hand. It took me several google searches to reveal that a style can be overriden by local formatting which need to be cleared.. I stopped using 'word processors' back in the 1980s (probably, it was so long ago I can't really remember). Much of my communication is by E-Mail and that *should* be only plain text really, I see no good reason for lots of formatting in an E-Mail. More fool you, formatting is to improve communication. If you want to emphasise something then *emphasise* it There isnt just one form of emphasis that is useful. and, if you want a heading:- A Heading ========= Not as useful as a different color and bold. Even letters I write I simply edit some plain text and fire it at the printer, I never do those anymore. hand written letters don't have big headings so why should simple printed ones? Because it improves communication, stupid. If I do actually want some formatted text then I use something like reStructuredText (look it up, it's a general sort of markup language) and convert it to HTML or whatever I happen to need. A real word processor is a far better way to do that. Big advantage of all this is that I use the same text editor for *everything*, and it's much more powerful than any word processor at actually managing, changing and formatting *text*. You're a dinosaur. |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message o.uk... Robin wrote: But it's all good training if the day comes when you upgrade to a later version with the monster that is Multilevel lists. I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever! You dont always have a choice on that. |
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Fred wrote:
I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever! You dont always have a choice on that. I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change? |
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Fred wrote:
I'm the reverse, dont do much formatting at all with my own notes... Ah, but I work in an industry where exact and precise formatting - especially in the American market - is paramount. I've read of work being rejected out of hand because it was printed with incorrect page margins. |
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On 18/01/2021 09:03, Bert Coules wrote:
Fred wrote: I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version.Â* Ever! You dont always have a choice on that. I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change? Mostly because some other program you need insists on it Example. Skype wont now run on my desktop. Skype versions that do are no longer accepted by skype. -- If I had all the money I've spent on drink... ...I'd spend it on drink. Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End) |
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On 18/01/2021 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/01/2021 09:03, Bert Coules wrote: Fred wrote: I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever! You dont always have a choice on that. I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change? Mostly because some other program you need insists on it All things are possible but Office 97 runs under Windows 10 (64 bit) so MS don't seem to be set on blocking old versions. (I couldn't resist testing in a VM before I threw away my Office 97 disc as part of a clear-out.) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message o.uk... Fred wrote: I have absolutely no intention of "upgrading" to a later version. Ever! You dont always have a choice on that. I'm puzzled: what circumstances could force me to change? The OS you use is no longer supported and doesnt get security updates anymore so you have to update the OS and the updated OS wont run that app. Or something else you decide you would like to use wont run on your older OS. |
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Fred wrote:
The OS you use is no longer supported and doesnt get security updates anymore so you have to update the OS and the updated OS wont run that app. I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported does receive period security updates. Or something else you decide you would like to use won't run on your older OS. The only program I've so far come across in that category runs very successfully on my Win10 laptop, so - at the moment, at least - I have things covered. I take your points, though; thanks. |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message o.uk... Fred wrote: The OS you use is no longer supported and doesnt get security updates anymore so you have to update the OS and the updated OS wont run that app. I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported does receive period security updates. But that may not be true forever, XP doesnt anymore. Or something else you decide you would like to use won't run on your older OS. The only program I've so far come across in that category runs very successfully on my Win10 laptop, Not true of Skype for example. so - at the moment, at least - I have things covered. I take your points, though; thanks. |
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Fred wrote:
I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported does receive period security updates. But that may not be true forever... To be honest, my present thinking is that I would sacrifice the latest in security updates if the alternative was having to replace the software I use day in, day out, which I can operate with no conscious thought. The only time I've ever been hacked (to my knowledge) - and it was a serious business involving my bank account details - I was using a version of Windows 7 which was completely up to date. Since then, Microsoft's assurances about the very latest refinements being absolutely essential tend to ring rather hollow. |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message o.uk... Fred wrote: I'm using Windows 7, which though it's officially no longer supported does receive period security updates. But that may not be true forever... To be honest, my present thinking is that I would sacrifice the latest in security updates if the alternative was having to replace the software I use day in, day out, which I can operate with no conscious thought. I am still irritated by the lack of some of the useful new stuff in the later OSs. The only time I've ever been hacked (to my knowledge) - and it was a serious business involving my bank account details - I was using a version of Windows 7 which was completely up to date. Since then, Microsoft's assurances about the very latest refinements being absolutely essential tend to ring rather hollow. Sure, and you can obviously do more frequent backups so that you can recover gracefully if you do get infected. I have also setup my banking so even a successful hacker is no more than a minor nuisance. |
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Fred wrote:
I have also setup my banking so even a successful hacker is no more than a minor nuisance. May I ask how you accomplished that? |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message ... Fred wrote: I have also setup my banking so even a successful hacker is no more than a minor nuisance. May I ask how you accomplished that? The account where my cash is is never visible to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction account which never has much of a float in it, so that even if they loot that, its just a nuisance until the bank restores what they looted from it. Even if someone quite literally holds a gun to my head and forces me to give them the bank details, they only get the transaction account details and again, its just a nuisance until the bank restores what they loot from that. |
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Fred wrote:
The account where my cash is is never visible to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction account which never has much of a float in it, |
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Sorry, I posted a reply prematurely. Trying again...
Fred wrote: The account where my cash is is never visible to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction account which never has much of a float in it, Thanks for that, but I'm not sure I'm with you. Is the invisible account not online? If it is, how did you render it invisible? I'll understand if it's a technique you'd prefer not to share. |
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"Bert Coules" wrote in message ... Sorry, I posted a reply prematurely. Trying again... Fred wrote: The account where my cash is is never visible to anyone. All they can ever see is the transaction account which never has much of a float in it, Thanks for that, but I'm not sure I'm with you. Is the invisible account not online? It is online. If it is, how did you render it invisible? None of the account details or even that I have that account is on any device that can be hacked. And access requires my fingerprint. I'll understand if it's a technique you'd prefer not to share. Thats not a problem. |
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Fred wrote:
None of the account details or even that I have that account is on any device that can be hacked. That is fascinating. I was under the impression (possibly fed by the makers of anti-virus software) that there's no such thing as device which, when connected to the internet, cannot be hacked. |
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