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Tim Lamb[_2_] November 1st 20 10:15 AM

Data over mobile network
 
This might be a very silly question:-)

Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.

Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.

My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.

Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.
--
Tim Lamb

The Natural Philosopher[_2_] November 1st 20 10:41 AM

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On 01/11/2020 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


assume the weather.

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charles November 1st 20 10:45 AM

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In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)


Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Tim Lamb[_2_] November 1st 20 10:52 AM

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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 01/11/2020 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very
intermittent and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any
issues and this has been continuous over more than a week.


assume the weather.


The service has been good for 10 years or more. Why now?

I don't think we have any local 5g arsonists.

Vodafone coverage chart has us in a (good reception indoors and out)
zone about 1500m from the mast.

Why intermittent? Surely an aerial/weather fault would be permanent.


--
Tim Lamb

T i m November 1st 20 10:58 AM

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On Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:45:06 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

snip

Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


'Line of sight'? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Andy Burns[_13_] November 1st 20 11:02 AM

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charles wrote:

Tim Lamb wrote:

My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


I think he means that the new family are in-between Tim and the mast,
and he wonders if they're "sucking up" all the signal, leaving none for him?


Tim Lamb[_2_] November 1st 20 11:09 AM

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In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)


Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


Sorry to be unclear. We are on the same radial path to the transmitter.
I know nothing about the propagation characteristics of mobile phone
masts but assume it is zoned.


--
Tim Lamb

Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) November 1st 20 11:26 AM

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Not that I know of, as each person has a unique ID so two at once is not
really possible as far as I know.
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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
This might be a very silly question:-)

Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.

Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this has
been continuous over more than a week.

My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.

Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.
--
Tim Lamb




Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) November 1st 20 11:28 AM

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The weather, almost certainly but not the others. Also of course it could be
just like in the old days of TV, somebody has installed a large metal
structure, like a crane and this has made it prone to reflections from your
usual mast. I believe there are solutions where you can pay, in effect to
have your own mini cell, but don't know how its done or how expensive it
might be.
Brian

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 01/11/2020 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this has
been continuous over more than a week.


assume the weather.

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Dave Liquorice[_2_] November 1st 20 11:29 AM

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On Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:45:06 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote:

Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to

boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


There are methods of "bonding" individual links to make them appear
as one larger one but requires the right kit at both ends of those
links.

Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very
intermittent and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any


issues and this has been continuous over more than a week.


Keep banging the table, remember that even if you have a contract
with Vodafone for service that is with a different part of Vodafone
than provides the physical network...

Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


Presuambly Tim, neighbours and Tx form a straight line possibly with
the neighbours between Tim and Tx. I don't think this would have any
effect on data rates as the TDM shares out the available time slots
across all users. Ther could be capacity issues on that cell sector
but Tim's rural so not likely.

Biggest clue may be signal strength, has that fallen through the
floor as the local cell has died or got a fault (wind blow an aerial
down, water got into feeder?).

On Android it might be worth getting one of the apps that tells you
everything your wanted to know about the cell you are connected to
and it's neighbours. If you are normally connected to cell X with Y
bars, but know connected to cell J with K bars and no sign of cell X
it would be reasonable to assume that cell X has died. How you tell a
Customer Services droid this information and get them to pass it on
to some one who understands it is another matter...

--
Cheers
Dave.




Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) November 1st 20 11:30 AM

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Not always, Rain showers can cause very short lived and intermittent
attenuation effects.
Brian

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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 01/11/2020 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


assume the weather.


The service has been good for 10 years or more. Why now?

I don't think we have any local 5g arsonists.

Vodafone coverage chart has us in a (good reception indoors and out) zone
about 1500m from the mast.

Why intermittent? Surely an aerial/weather fault would be permanent.


--
Tim Lamb




polygonum_on_google[_2_] November 1st 20 11:30 AM

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On Sunday, 1 November 2020 10:16:05 UTC, Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)

Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.

Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.

My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.

Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


You could use multiple mobile phones (or other devices which support hotspots) and connect, say, one PC to each hotspot.

Get 5G - it is, as we all know, the answer to everything.


Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) November 1st 20 11:33 AM

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No idea, but if you can see the mast it should work. Best thing is to first
of all find another vodafone user and run a test against your phone. It
could be your phone is a little deaf or has a dodgy aerial.

Most are inside the case these days, a ploy to make them look good but is
hardly ideal.
Brian

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)


Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"

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Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) November 1st 20 11:34 AM

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That would b e unlikely. Far more likely is the phone is knackered.
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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charles wrote:

Tim Lamb wrote:

My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


I think he means that the new family are in-between Tim and the mast, and
he wonders if they're "sucking up" all the signal, leaving none for him?




Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) November 1st 20 11:37 AM

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Its multiplexed so in theory it should not matter how many people are using
their phones next door at the same time, there are likely so many users in
your area, a few more should not make much difference. Of course the system
may be overloaded from some other major source, you have no real way of
knowing. Go close to another mast and see if its specific to yours.
Brian

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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
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In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)


Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


Sorry to be unclear. We are on the same radial path to the transmitter. I
know nothing about the propagation characteristics of mobile phone masts
but assume it is zoned.


--
Tim Lamb




Andy Burns[_13_] November 1st 20 11:41 AM

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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

Far more likely is the phone is knackered.


Vodafone (in common with other networks) have re-farmed some of their
900MHz spectrum from 2G to 4G, not sure how recently. Newer phones
probably see that as increased signal, but older phones may see it as a
decrease ...


The Natural Philosopher[_2_] November 1st 20 12:03 PM

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On 01/11/2020 10:45, charles wrote:
In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)


Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"

All paths to a transmitter are radial.

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H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

The Natural Philosopher[_2_] November 1st 20 12:05 PM

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On 01/11/2020 10:52, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 01/11/2020 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very
intermittentÂ* and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any
issues and thisÂ* has been continuous over more than a week.


assume the weather.


The service has been good for 10 years or more. Why now?

I don't think we have any local 5g arsonists.

Vodafone coverage chart has us in a (good reception indoors and out)
zone about 1500m from the mast.

Why intermittent? Surely an aerial/weather fault would be permanent.

I always get bad HF from tank sensors and wifi when branches are waving
about




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Martin Brown[_3_] November 1st 20 12:07 PM

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On 01/11/2020 11:29, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:45:06 +0000 (GMT), charles wrote:

Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to

boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


There are methods of "bonding" individual links to make them appear
as one larger one but requires the right kit at both ends of those
links.

Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very
intermittent and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any


issues and this has been continuous over more than a week.


Keep banging the table, remember that even if you have a contract
with Vodafone for service that is with a different part of Vodafone
than provides the physical network...

Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


Presuambly Tim, neighbours and Tx form a straight line possibly with
the neighbours between Tim and Tx. I don't think this would have any
effect on data rates as the TDM shares out the available time slots
across all users. Ther could be capacity issues on that cell sector
but Tim's rural so not likely.


Actually during half term with kids streaming endless stuff on their
mobiles (not just the family along the line of sight) it is quite
possible that a rural node backhaul could be saturated.

Biggest clue may be signal strength, has that fallen through the
floor as the local cell has died or got a fault (wind blow an aerial
down, water got into feeder?).

On Android it might be worth getting one of the apps that tells you
everything your wanted to know about the cell you are connected to
and it's neighbours. If you are normally connected to cell X with Y
bars, but know connected to cell J with K bars and no sign of cell X
it would be reasonable to assume that cell X has died. How you tell a
Customer Services droid this information and get them to pass it on
to some one who understands it is another matter...


One of the apps that shows cellular signal quality and error rates might
shed some more light. I'd bet on bandwidth contention problems on the
backhaul caused by half term though. Sometimes see that happen in the
evenings on our rural exchange now that some places have FTTC. QD TV
uses a fair chunk of bandwidth and with people watching different
programmes on demand it adds up to a lot of peak bandwidth.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Dave Liquorice[_2_] November 1st 20 01:40 PM

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On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 11:09:02 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


Sorry to be unclear. We are on the same radial path to the transmitter.
I know nothing about the propagation characteristics of mobile phone
masts but assume it is zoned.


Most are divided into 120 degree sectors that work vaguely
independantly but probably synchonised so one sector isn't trying to
hear a mobile ten miles away when another is trying to shout a one of
it's mobiles. B-)


--
Cheers
Dave.




Dave Liquorice[_2_] November 1st 20 01:45 PM

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On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 10:52:05 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why intermittent? Surely an aerial/weather fault would be permanent.


Naw.
Sustained wind holds something in the fault position, until it drops.
Wind makes other things wag about causing varying multipath.
Rain penetrates cable/connenctors and drains/dries out.

--
Cheers
Dave.




charles November 1st 20 02:04 PM

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/11/2020 10:45, charles wrote:
In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)


Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very
intermittent and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any
issues and this has been continuous over more than a week.


My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Paranoia alert but we are on a radial path to the transmitter.


what is a "radial path to the transmitter"

All paths to a transmitter are radial.


I know, which is why I asked the OP what he meant.

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Dave Liquorice[_2_] November 1st 20 02:20 PM

Data over mobile network
 
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:07:52 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

what is a "radial path to the transmitter"


Presuambly Tim, neighbours and Tx form a straight line possibly

with
the neighbours between Tim and Tx. I don't think this would have

any
effect on data rates as the TDM shares out the available time

slots
across all users. Ther could be capacity issues on that cell

sector
but Tim's rural so not likely.


Actually during half term with kids streaming endless stuff on their
mobiles (not just the family along the line of sight) it is quite
possible that a rural node backhaul could be saturated.


Not in the network providers interest to have backhaul capacity
problems, it would affect all services. Yes you could prioritise some
traffic over other but bandwidth is cheap. Far simpler just to shove
everything down a big enough pipe.

Biggest clue may be signal strength, has that fallen through the
floor as the local cell has died or got a fault (wind blow an

aerial
down, water got into feeder?).

On Android it might be worth getting one of the apps that tells

you
everything your wanted to know about the cell you are connected to
and it's neighbours. If you are normally connected to cell X with

Y
bars, but know connected to cell J with K bars and no sign of cell

X
it would be reasonable to assume that cell X has died. How you

tell a
Customer Services droid this information and get them to pass it

on
to some one who understands it is another matter...


One of the apps that shows cellular signal quality and error rates might
shed some more light. I'd bet on bandwidth contention problems on the
backhaul caused by half term though.


Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP. I quite like the idea
of the local cell being "upgraded" to 4G and the 2G service ceasing
from that cell. Need feedback from Tim on signal strength, trouble on
the backhaul wouldn't affect signal strength. Does he have a 4G
capable phone?

Sometimes see that happen in the evenings on our rural exchange now that
some places have FTTC. QD TV uses a fair chunk of bandwidth and with
people watching different programmes on demand it adds up to a lot of
peak bandwidth.


Never had my ADSL slow down in the evenings, even when people I know
with ADSL on the same exchange but different ISP have complained
about it.

--
Cheers
Dave.




The Natural Philosopher[_2_] November 1st 20 02:27 PM

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On 01/11/2020 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP.


It would make no sense to upgrade backhaul beyond the capacity limits of
the transmitter. Or to have it less either.

Some years ago I attend as a vendor an open air show before it started -
we came the night before - cell coverage was OK and up to 9600 bps was
available. With the show in fill flood you couldn't even sustain a voice
call reliably.

In the end its transmitter capacity that dominates


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and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, ones
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
ones suitability to be taken seriously.€ť

Paul Krugman

Roger Hayter[_2_] November 1st 20 02:38 PM

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On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:27:59 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
wrote:

On 01/11/2020 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP.


It would make no sense to upgrade backhaul beyond the capacity limits of
the transmitter. Or to have it less either.

Some years ago I attend as a vendor an open air show before it started -
we came the night before - cell coverage was OK and up to 9600 bps was
available. With the show in fill flood you couldn't even sustain a voice
call reliably.

In the end its transmitter capacity that dominates


The transmitter/receiver *is* the backhaul. More fibre isn't usually the
issue.

--
Roger Hayter



Roger Hayter[_2_] November 1st 20 02:43 PM

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On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:38:47 GMT, "Roger Hayter" wrote:

On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:27:59 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"

wrote:

On 01/11/2020 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP.


It would make no sense to upgrade backhaul beyond the capacity limits of
the transmitter. Or to have it less either.

Some years ago I attend as a vendor an open air show before it started -
we came the night before - cell coverage was OK and up to 9600 bps was
available. With the show in fill flood you couldn't even sustain a voice
call reliably.

In the end its transmitter capacity that dominates


The transmitter/receiver *is* the backhaul. More fibre isn't usually the
issue.


Oh, sorry, are you still talking about cellphone bases, the discussion seems
to have extended to comms services in general? Don't mobile networks rent
backhaul too?

--
Roger Hayter



John Rumm November 1st 20 02:55 PM

Data over mobile network
 
On 01/11/2020 10:15, Tim Lamb wrote:
This might be a very silly question:-)

Is there a device/way of paralleling mobile phone connections to boost
data rate? Possibly in connection with gaming activities.


You could use a dual wan router to load balance a pair of connections.
So one provided by a 4G USB dongle, and the other from a MiFi type
device with ethernet. Or in some cases the router can use a phone in hot
spot mode as a wan connection, and then load balance that with something
else.

Load balancing will double your overall throughput, but not increase the
maximum data rate for a single connection or lower the latency or ping.
(which matters for serious gaming)


Long shot question but my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent
and usually emergency service only. Vodafone deny any issues and this
has been continuous over more than a week.


Have you tried with a different phone?

My new neighbours have 3 young teenage boys and the wired internet is
limited to around 12 meg.


Them getting second phone line and broadband connection might make more
sense (load balanced if required)




--
Cheers,

John.

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The Natural Philosopher[_2_] November 1st 20 03:25 PM

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On 01/11/2020 14:38, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:27:59 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
wrote:

On 01/11/2020 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP.


It would make no sense to upgrade backhaul beyond the capacity limits of
the transmitter. Or to have it less either.

Some years ago I attend as a vendor an open air show before it started -
we came the night before - cell coverage was OK and up to 9600 bps was
available. With the show in fill flood you couldn't even sustain a voice
call reliably.

In the end its transmitter capacity that dominates


The transmitter/receiver *is* the backhaul. More fibre isn't usually the
issue.

no, technically the backhaul is between the point of presence and the
carrier. The transmitter to phone is 'the last mile'


--
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€“ Ludwig von Mises

The Natural Philosopher[_2_] November 1st 20 03:26 PM

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On 01/11/2020 14:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:38:47 GMT, "Roger Hayter" wrote:

On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:27:59 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"

wrote:

On 01/11/2020 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP.

It would make no sense to upgrade backhaul beyond the capacity limits of
the transmitter. Or to have it less either.

Some years ago I attend as a vendor an open air show before it started -
we came the night before - cell coverage was OK and up to 9600 bps was
available. With the show in fill flood you couldn't even sustain a voice
call reliably.

In the end its transmitter capacity that dominates


The transmitter/receiver *is* the backhaul. More fibre isn't usually the
issue.


Oh, sorry, are you still talking about cellphone bases, the discussion seems
to have extended to comms services in general? Don't mobile networks rent
backhaul too?

Of course they do. to get data to the towers and back.

--
€śProgress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,€ť

€“ Ludwig von Mises

Roger Hayter[_2_] November 1st 20 03:54 PM

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On 1 Nov 2020 at 15:25:15 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
wrote:

On 01/11/2020 14:38, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 1 Nov 2020 at 14:27:59 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"

wrote:

On 01/11/2020 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Could be but most "contention" problems these days are not the
network backhaul but capacity within the ISP.

It would make no sense to upgrade backhaul beyond the capacity limits of
the transmitter. Or to have it less either.

Some years ago I attend as a vendor an open air show before it started -
we came the night before - cell coverage was OK and up to 9600 bps was
available. With the show in fill flood you couldn't even sustain a voice
call reliably.

In the end its transmitter capacity that dominates


The transmitter/receiver *is* the backhaul. More fibre isn't usually the
issue.

no, technically the backhaul is between the point of presence and the
carrier. The transmitter to phone is 'the last mile'


We were talking at cross purposes. I was thinking you meant BT's transmitter
driving the fibre.

--
Roger Hayter



williamwright November 1st 20 04:32 PM

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On 01/11/2020 11:02, Andy Burns wrote:

I think he means that the new family are in-between Tim and the mast,
and he wonders if they're "sucking up" all the signal, leaving none for
him?


That'll be it! Tenants in buildings served by communal TV systems often
talk of the 'sucking up all the signal' problem. It seems to be a major
problem.

Bill

williamwright November 1st 20 04:39 PM

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On 01/11/2020 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
All paths to a transmitter are radial.


All direct paths to a transmitter are radial.

Bill

Tim Lamb[_2_] November 1st 20 05:29 PM

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In message , williamwright
writes
On 01/11/2020 12:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
All paths to a transmitter are radial.


All direct paths to a transmitter are radial.


They are actually beyond me but on the same radial.

To clarify a few points upthread.

Current mobile is an Alcatel one touch. Basically because it fits my
trouser pocket. The display only shows signal strength but I think this
version is 3g.
The problem is variable over a few minutes: going from 3 bars down to 1
and then searching, usually followed by 2 or 3 bars of emergency only.

I tried wandering off the direct line and found no improvement. The bulk
of the village lies between us and the transmitter so it may just be
half-term TV and downloads:-(

I'll just have to fire up the Motorola!

--
Tim Lamb

Andy Burns[_13_] November 1st 20 05:50 PM

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Tim Lamb wrote:

my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent


Stick your postcode into

https://www.vodafone.co.uk/network/status-checker

If I guessed right, it told me for 2G, 3G and 4G

We're aware of some network issues in $POSTCODE

Theres a problem with our mobile network in this area at the moment
that may be causing issues with your service. Were sorry if youre
experiencing any disruption, we know how frustrating this can be.
Unfortunately, its taking us a little longer than we expected to fix
this issue €“ sorry for the delay. Rest assured, well get things up and
running again as soon as we can, and well update this page once we have
an update. Thanks for your patience. As soon as we have any further
updates, well let you know here.

Tim Lamb[_2_] November 1st 20 07:55 PM

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In message , Andy Burns
writes
Tim Lamb wrote:

my Vodafone service is suddenly very intermittent


Stick your postcode into

https://www.vodafone.co.uk/network/status-checker

If I guessed right, it told me for 2G, 3G and 4G

We're aware of some network issues in $POSTCODE

Theres a problem with our mobile network in this area at the moment
that may be causing issues with your service. Were sorry if youre
experiencing any disruption, we know how frustrating this can be.
Unfortunately, its taking us a little longer than we expected to fix
this issue €“ sorry for the delay. Rest assured, well get things up
and running again as soon as we can, and well update this page once
we have an update. Thanks for your patience. As soon as we have any
further updates, well let you know here.


Been there! I'm signed up for alerts and did get one. Nothing since.
There is a nearby bad patch on 3 and 4g but my signal strength here has
always been good.

See what Monday, back to school brings!

--
Tim Lamb

Andy Burns[_13_] November 1st 20 08:23 PM

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Tim Lamb wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://www.vodafone.co.uk/network/status-checker


Been there! I'm signed up for alerts and did get one. Nothing since.
There is a nearby bad patch on 3 and 4g but my signal strength here has
always been good.


But they're not saying you're in poor coverage, they're admitting the
nearby mast has a fault ...





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