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On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the
incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon
wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Chris ffs...a multitool is just as good and helluva lot safer. |
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On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote:
On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Chris DIY is a great thing.....what about the father and son who both died when an angle grinder went wild ? ......I blame the gyroscopic effect myself..... |
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On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote:
On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety |
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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence |
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On 09/09/2020 12:39, fred wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence go on take a chance.... |
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On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence Back in the early 80s I did some work in Pakistan with their Army. One day I needed to use a bench grinder. I was led to a workshop full of old machines- probably WW2 vintage. Immaculately cleaned and polished etc. However, not a safety feature in use. The normal guide you have on a bench grinder was folded away. I asked for a spanner an set it where it should be. Theyd never seen it used. I had some safety Goggles which I left for them. I drew a diagram to show where they should fit a safety screen. I doubt it ever was fitted. A shame, the craftsmanship was excellent. They made some parts locally I needed which where perfect- made on machines older than me from a rough sketch and ready the next day. |
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On 09/09/2020 12:57, Radio Man wrote:
fred wrote: On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence Back in the early 80s I did some work in Pakistan with their Army. One day I needed to use a bench grinder. I was led to a workshop full of old machines- probably WW2 vintage. Immaculately cleaned and polished etc. However, not a safety feature in use. The normal guide you have on a bench grinder was folded away. I asked for a spanner an set it where it should be. Theyd never seen it used. I had some safety Goggles which I left for them. I drew a diagram to show where they should fit a safety screen. I doubt it ever was fitted. A shame, the craftsmanship was excellent. They made some parts locally I needed which where perfect- made on machines older than me from a rough sketch and ready the next day. fenestrating Brian .....but life is cheap in wagga wagga land... |
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On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. You know what they say about foolproof. If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? |
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writes On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. You know what they say about foolproof. If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 09/09/2020 14:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , GB writes On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Â*You know what they say about foolproof. Â*If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. +1 |
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On 09/09/2020 10:16, Davidm wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Chris ffs...a multitool is just as good and helluva lot safer. Not for cast iron - cutting discs work extremely well |
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:
If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 13:01:46 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence 'cause the fecking things get in the way and/or stop you seeing what the saw is up to. And they do litle to stop kick back, currently have a wounded finger where a small off cut (2 x 1 x 3/4) kicked back hit finger then roof of garage... A shame, the craftsmanship was excellent. They made some parts locally I needed which where perfect- made on machines older than me from a rough sketch and ready the next day. fenestrating Brian .....but life is cheap in wagga wagga land... And there is nothing quite like witnessing a near miss or three or seeing the older operators with fingers missing to teach "be careful, it bites". -- Cheers Dave. |
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writes On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , GB writes On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. You know what they say about foolproof. If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Who said anything about a chainsaw ? You made that up all by yourself. Yes. Kindly explain what hedge trimmer he was using? -- Tim Lamb |
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Dave Liquorice writes On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? OK. But I doubt a finger bar trimmer could sever anything more than 50mm diameter. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 09/09/2020 12:39, fred wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence If its like my table saw, such things were not standard fit when it was made in 1948! (One can retrofit a splitter into the inset plate, but doing a proper riving knife would be difficult) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 09/09/2020 16:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? Still a hell of a job trying to get through a neck with a hedge trimmer I would have though? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 16:44, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? Still a hell of a job trying to get through a neck with a hedge trimmer I would have though? I can see that it could break someone's neck, though -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. You know what they say about foolproof. If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Um, given the tooth spacing of a hedge trimmer bar, I would have said €œimpossible€. Of course, like many urban legends, the story has probably got distorted and it may not have been a hedge trimmer. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Tim+ wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Um, given the tooth spacing of a hedge trimmer bar, I would have said “impossible”. Of course, like many urban legends, the story has probably got distorted and it may not have been a hedge trimmer. I reckon that those pole-mounted chainsaws could have some hazards. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:59:01 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:
Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Who said anything about a chainsaw ? You made that up all by yourself. Yes. Kindly explain what hedge trimmer he was using? Not really. It was a news story from a few years back as I remember it. google Trimming hedge with chain saw, up step ladders, puppy chasing ball, knocked off ladder, didn't quite decapitate the lady holding step ladder. Quite possible that the saw was under power, even if the throttle had been released it'd still be running down. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:19:57 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:
Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? OK. But I doubt a finger bar trimmer could sever anything more than 50mm diameter. Must admit I had my doubts as well. But given the hint of a news story google finds both initial reports of the accident and of the coroner's inquest. It was a chain saw. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote:
On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. This from 2009: (Metro) "Alastair Green suffered horrific injuries as he tried to use an angle grinder to remove a tree stump in the garden of his home in Market Harborough, Leicestershire" He'd fitted a circulaw saw to it. It killed him, apparently after a kickback. |
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On 09/09/2020 18:54, charles wrote:
In article , John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 16:44, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? Still a hell of a job trying to get through a neck with a hedge trimmer I would have though? I can see that it could break someone's neck, though Not so likely, but it would only have to nick the carotid artery. There was a fatality locally a few years ago involving cutting logs with a tractor driven circular saw, that was caused by severing an artery. |
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Well, what a pratt is all I'd say. I hated the drill attached circular saw I
had for my black and Decker, it had a guide, but was unwieldy in us and easy to let go of with the lock on button pressed in. Brian -- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On 09/09/2020 10:19, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Chris DIY is a great thing.....what about the father and son who both died when an angle grinder went wild ? ......I blame the gyroscopic effect myself..... A bloke in Hove, or somewhere on the South Coast was trimming a tree in the font garden from a ladder which wifey was holding to 'steady it'. He dropped the chain saw on her and killed poor lady. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:19:57 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? OK. But I doubt a finger bar trimmer could sever anything more than 50mm diameter. Must admit I had my doubts as well. But given the hint of a news story google finds both initial reports of the accident and of the coroner's inquest. It was a chain saw. I've actually witnessed two people die in front of me from chainsaw accidents. and almost killed myself with a pencil You sometimes dont get any warning when your time on earth is about to be end - |
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On 09/09/2020 13:01, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 09/09/2020 12:57, Radio Man wrote: fred wrote: On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 12:24:18 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: On 09/09/2020 12:12, John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. Could it have been a segmented diamond cutting disc rather than a circular saw blade? There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had Lots of people take them off! yes bloody health and safety Im alway amazed when watching youtube videos of USA woodworkers. No splitter and no guard in evidence Back in the early 80s I did some work in Pakistan with their Army. One day I needed to use a bench grinder. I was led to a workshop full of old machines- probably WW2 vintage. Immaculately cleaned and polished etc. However, not a safety feature in use. The normal guide you have on a bench grinder was folded away. I asked for a spanner an set it where it should be. Theyd never seen it used. I had some safety Goggles which I left for them. I drew a diagram to show where they should fit a safety screen. I doubt it ever was fitted. A shame, the craftsmanship was excellent. They made some parts locally I needed which where perfect- made on machines older than me from a rough sketch and ready the next day. fenestrating Brian .....but life is cheap in wagga wagga land... Is it any more valuable anywhere else? |
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On 09/09/2020 21:17, newshound wrote:
On 09/09/2020 18:54, charles wrote: In article , John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 16:44, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? Still a hell of a job trying to get through a neck with a hedge trimmer I would have though? I can see that it could break someone's neck, though Not so likely, but it would only have to nick the carotid artery. There was a fatality locally a few years ago involving cutting logs with a tractor driven circular saw, that was caused by severing an artery. Our Stihl hedge trimmers would often make a mess of the bark of trunk when the noobs got clumsy. I can easily imagine a neck getting mangled in the right circumstances. |
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On 09/09/2020 20:21, Chris Bacon wrote:
On 09/09/2020 09:24, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. This from 2009: (Metro) "Alastair Green suffered horrific injuries as he tried to use an angle grinder to remove a tree stump in the garden of his home in Market Harborough, Leicestershire" He'd fitted a circulaw saw to it. It killed him, apparently after a kickback. In my experience of using Stihl saws and circular cutters, the problem is drag. Anyone using a forward, including upward, cutting motion invites runaway. As shown on tv, one young lad, with face protection, using a hand grinder with 6in blade, demonstrated an upward cut that got away, ran up the wall, back along an upper edge and back down his face. |
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On 10/09/2020 00:46, RayL12 wrote:
On 09/09/2020 21:17, newshound wrote: On 09/09/2020 18:54, charles wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* John Rumm wrote: On 09/09/2020 16:44, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:45:33 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote: If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Electric hedge trimmer with sticky "on" lock, like my reciprocating saw? Still a hell of a job trying to get through a neck with a hedge trimmer I would have though? I can see that it could break someone's neck, though Not so likely, but it would only have to nick the carotid artery. There was a fatality locally a few years ago involving cutting logs with a tractor driven circular saw, that was caused by severing an artery. Our Stihl hedge trimmers would often make a mess of the bark of trunk when the noobs got clumsy. I can easily imagine a neck getting mangled in the right circumstances. That is still a very long way from "decapitated" though - especially with a falling trimmer rather than one being held in place against the thing you are attempting to cut (or at least "nibble" your way though) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 09/09/2020 14:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , GB writes On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Â*You know what they say about foolproof. Â*If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. I've cut myself with a hedgetrimmer. It makes a mess, but it doesn't go deep. It's designed *not* to. A finger? yes, A neck, No! -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:59:01 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote: Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. Who said anything about a chainsaw ? You made that up all by yourself. Yes. Kindly explain what hedge trimmer he was using? Not really. It was a news story from a few years back as I remember it. google Trimming hedge with chain saw, up step ladders, puppy chasing ball, knocked off ladder, didn't quite decapitate the lady holding step ladder. Quite possible that the saw was under power, even if the throttle had been released it'd still be running down. Yes, I rememeber the story. It's an absolute "no no" to use a chainsaw up a ladder. I use a chainsaw quite frequently but never, never up a ladder. You need lots of protective gear, lots of training and proper 'get you up the tree' gear to work with a chainsaw off the ground. -- Chris Green · |
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Chris Green wrote:
It's an absolute "no no" to use a chainsaw up a ladder. I use a chainsaw quite frequently but never, never up a ladder. You need lots of protective gear, lots of training and proper 'get you up the tree' gear to work with a chainsaw off the ground. As I know I have posted befo A neighbour of mine, after having been ripped off by itinerants (they had invented a story that there had been complaints, and he had to let them do the work) who left him with unbelievably mangled eyesores of trees, plus all the trimmings for him to dispose of, apparently went with a garden landscape firm to clear the lot, and give the plot a bit of a makeover. They had a reasonably large conifer to bring down, without room to drop it in one. I saw no goggles, ear defenders, or safety clothing in evidence whilst using a chain saw. An extended sectional ladder rested against the tree, but wasn't secured to it. There was some form of primitive personal safety loop, but it was only clipped to the ladder, the top rung of which rested insecurely against the curve of the trunk. As they worked down from the top, the chain saw was deployed at about head height but, having no goggles, the operator was showered with sawdust and had to look away from the cut. Meanwhile the second man had to leave his position footing the ladder to heave on the rope hoping to persuade the section to fall the right way. Occasionally he was successful. To my surprise they survived, but that is simply not the way to do it. At almost every stage they progressed in such a tentative way, that it seemed to me that they were way out of their depth. Had I not been recuperating after a minor op at the time, I would probably have tried to intervene. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
... Chris Green wrote: It's an absolute "no no" to use a chainsaw up a ladder. I use a chainsaw quite frequently but never, never up a ladder. You need lots of protective gear, lots of training and proper 'get you up the tree' gear to work with a chainsaw off the ground. As I know I have posted befo A neighbour of mine, after having been ripped off by itinerants (they had invented a story that there had been complaints, and he had to let them do the work) who left him with unbelievably mangled eyesores of trees, plus all the trimmings for him to dispose of, apparently went with a garden landscape firm to clear the lot, and give the plot a bit of a makeover. They had a reasonably large conifer to bring down, without room to drop it in one. I saw no goggles, ear defenders, or safety clothing in evidence whilst using a chain saw. An extended sectional ladder rested against the tree, but wasn't secured to it. There was some form of primitive personal safety loop, but it was only clipped to the ladder, the top rung of which rested insecurely against the curve of the trunk. I had to prune and remove a lot of trees and ground-covering conifers when we moved to our new house. The first ones I did with a bushman's saw (hard work when the blade binds every few strokes); the nest ones I did with an mains-powered reciprocating saw (very slow, even with the coarsest blade that was supplied); the final ones have been with a battery-powered chainsaw. I took sensible precautions: - individually trim every branch off the trunk, making an initial cut on the underside to lessen the chance of the branch ripping off the trunk - plan my "escape route" in advance for when the branch/trunk starts to bend prior to breaking - be very cautious as the cut nears completion, watching and feeling for any movement - having trimmed the branches off, cut the trunk into manageable sections, starting at the top (don't try to fell the whole trunk is one go!) paying particular note of which way I wanted the wood to fall, and cutting opposite that so as to control where it fell The most recent work was a willow tree that had fallen across the stream at the bottom of our garden; some of its branches were collecting vegetation washed down by the stream and creating a restriction. The trunk had snapped off and was resting on the root section, supported by side branches in the water. Same policy: cut all the side branches off, leaving the ones in the water till last. Work out which branches were supporting the load, and weaken (but don't entirely cut) those. Then attach a rope and pull the trunk sideways until it "fell off" the root and broke the remaining branches; we managed to make it collapse gently into the stream without much of a splash, so we did it well! Finally we used existing branches to support sections of the main trunk, and shortened it gradually into lengths that could be hauled up the bank of the stream. A mains-powered saw would have been out of the question since we were standing in water (only a few inches deep - we did it when the stream was very low), so it was useful that the chainsaw is battery (a petrol one would have been just as good, but I HATE the sound of 2-stroke engines revving their guts out and chucking out choking oily smoke). We got into the habit of popping the battery out of the saw every time we'd finished with it, and putting it safely on the bank where it can't roll into the stream, ideally with the blade guard replaced each time. I measured the thickness of the trunk against the length of the blade, making sure that the blade could cut through the whole trunk without leaving a section beyond the tip of the blade. |
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On 09/09/2020 14:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , GB writes On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. Â*You know what they say about foolproof. Â*If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. He fell off the ladder that his wife was 'stabilising'. As you know, or should know, there is nothing gradual about falling off a ladder, and the automatic reaction is to tighten your grip on whatever you are holding, in his case the chain saw power lever. Right on top of wifey below. |
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"Andrew" wrote in message
... On 09/09/2020 14:45, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , GB writes On 09/09/2020 12:33, Jethro_uk wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:24:50 +0100, Chris J Dixon wrote: On "Ambulance Code Red" (Channel 5) this week, one of the incidents was a guy who had apparently been trimming guttering with what appeared to be a circular saw blade mounted on an angle grinder. There appeared to be no blade guard of any kind, and he had managed to cut open his abdomen. 24 stitches were required, but there was no mention of lasting effects, so he was extremely fortunate. You know what they say about foolproof. If you want horror stories, the guy who decapitated his wife when the hedgetrimmer he was using fell from his hands while he was up a ladder takes some beating. Do you think he practised a lot first? Even chain saws go to *tick over* when hands free so something suspect about his story. He fell off the ladder that his wife was 'stabilising'. As you know, or should know, there is nothing gradual about falling off a ladder, and the automatic reaction is to tighten your grip on whatever you are holding, in his case the chain saw power lever. Right on top of wifey below. Although it was a hedge trimmer, not a chainsaw. Those have gaps between the moving and fixed blades which are only about 1-2" wide, so I'm not sure how her neck fitted into one of those gaps for her to be decapitated. Even nicking her carotid artery up the side of her neck might be pretty difficult. Amputating fingers is a different matter. |
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