Hi All,

My Brother in law is looking for a PC based package for assisting with
plans / drawings for his lab refits and general building work.

Any *good* packages come to mind (he's willing to spend some money on
a decent PC and package for this), maybe something that would provide
a modular breakdown to provide pricing (benches / services etc).

3D view would be nice (to give customers a better feeling for the
final look).

If he finds something, maybe I can get the Roland pen plotter out of
my garage .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:20:40 GMT, T i m wrote:

Hi All,

My Brother in law is looking for a PC based package for assisting with
plans / drawings for his lab refits and general building work.

Any *good* packages come to mind (he's willing to spend some money on
a decent PC and package for this), maybe something that would provide
a modular breakdown to provide pricing (benches / services etc).

3D view would be nice (to give customers a better feeling for the
final look).

If he finds something, maybe I can get the Roland pen plotter out of
my garage .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m


Depends on what sophistication you want.

I use Autodesk Autosketch which is a pretty good compromise between
function and ease of use.

They have a more entry level package called QuickCAD, which was well
reviewed in a couple of U.S. woodworking mags recently.

Then there is turboCAD which has been around for a while and is quite
cheap and effective.


..andy

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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:20:40 GMT, T i m wrote:

Hi All,

My Brother in law is looking for a PC based package for assisting with
plans / drawings for his lab refits and general building work.

Any *good* packages come to mind (he's willing to spend some money on
a decent PC and package for this), maybe something that would provide
a modular breakdown to provide pricing (benches / services etc).

3D view would be nice (to give customers a better feeling for the
final look).

If he finds something, maybe I can get the Roland pen plotter out of
my garage .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m


This is the sort of thing that is about.
Most US based.

http://www.qualityplans.com/Chief_Architect.htm

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:42:21 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:20:40 GMT, T i m wrote:

Hi All,

My Brother in law is looking for a PC based package for assisting with
plans / drawings for his lab refits and general building work.

Any *good* packages come to mind (he's willing to spend some money on
a decent PC and package for this), maybe something that would provide
a modular breakdown to provide pricing (benches / services etc).

3D view would be nice (to give customers a better feeling for the
final look).

If he finds something, maybe I can get the Roland pen plotter out of
my garage .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m


Depends on what sophistication you want.

Hi Andy, I think he was looking for something fairly compitent.
Something where he would be able to get costings back etc. Drop in a
item (say 'Bench3') and be sure it's dimensions were in proportion and
it would automatically add it to the bill of materials and the job
price?

I use Autodesk Autosketch which is a pretty good compromise between
function and ease of use.

I think I have played with one or both of those (long time ago), do
they allow the construction of your own objects (like lab benches
etc?)

They have a more entry level package called QuickCAD, which was well
reviewed in a couple of U.S. woodworking mags recently.

It could be a start. Maybe he could get up and running on something
like that (decent CPU / Ram / Video / big screen etc) and them move
onto something more powerful if/when he's ready?

Then there is turboCAD which has been around for a while and is quite
cheap and effective.

Again the name rings a bell.

At least I han help him by getting 'known' packages for him .. there
are so many out there now I didn't want to help him with something
that was say very cheap if it then turns out to be iffy or
incompatible with everything else in the world ..?

All the best ..

T i m

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:45:32 GMT, EricP
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:20:40 GMT, T i m wrote:

Hi All,

My Brother in law is looking for a PC based package for assisting with
plans / drawings for his lab refits and general building work.

Any *good* packages come to mind (he's willing to spend some money on
a decent PC and package for this), maybe something that would provide
a modular breakdown to provide pricing (benches / services etc).

3D view would be nice (to give customers a better feeling for the
final look).

If he finds something, maybe I can get the Roland pen plotter out of
my garage .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m


This is the sort of thing that is about.
Most US based.

http://www.qualityplans.com/Chief_Architect.htm

Hi Eric,

Thanks for that. Well that's a pretty comprehensive tool isn't it. One
thing I didn't spot is the ability to handle water services (it
mentions electrics)? I don't think he would be put off by the price
(if it was good, tested and being used by folk everywhere etc) and
although not a PC person as such has been using one for doing his
'books' / accessing the net, digi photos etc for a while so is on the
way (with a little help from me on the way) ;-)

Do you use 'Chief' Eric (or know someone who does?)

My BIL did have a Google about and found (and in some cases
downloaded) some packages but how do you know what's a 'goodun'?

All the best ..

T i m

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:30:29 GMT, T i m wrote:


Hi Andy, I think he was looking for something fairly compitent.
Something where he would be able to get costings back etc. Drop in a
item (say 'Bench3') and be sure it's dimensions were in proportion and
it would automatically add it to the bill of materials and the job
price?



Then he may want to look at AutoCAD itself.

Autosketch is pretty much self contained.

For AutoCAD, there are a gazillion suppliers of third party plug in
options and applications that integrate with it to do specialised
things.

There are also tons of symbol libraries.

However, you are talking about pricing in the hundreds to thousands
for the software.

It's adding things like BOM etc. that starts to make it complicated.

I wonder whether for a first time user, this might all be a bit
daunting.



I use Autodesk Autosketch which is a pretty good compromise between
function and ease of use.

I think I have played with one or both of those (long time ago), do
they allow the construction of your own objects (like lab benches
etc?)

Autosketch can certain allow you to create your own objects and save
them, and you can put them into a drawing and scale them.



They have a more entry level package called QuickCAD, which was well
reviewed in a couple of U.S. woodworking mags recently.

It could be a start. Maybe he could get up and running on something
like that (decent CPU / Ram / Video / big screen etc) and them move
onto something more powerful if/when he's ready?

I think that that might be a smart way to do it. AutoSketch costs
about £130.

For the PC, I would suggest going for a well provisioned system.

High end, but not necessarily bleeding edge on price CPU - perhaps
2.4GHz.

Plenty of memory - at least 1GB - it's cheap.

Plenty of disk, but does not need to be top speed technology as would
be used for video.

A good resolution and quality graphics card, especially if it's for 3D
as well.

A good monitor of at least 19". I would take advice or look at the
offerings of a specialist CAD supplier on this. CRT monitors will
give good results - and in workstation circles the so called aperture
grille tubes are preferred by many - Sony Trinitron and Mitsubishi
Diamondtron. However, they do have fine horizontal support wires
across the tube which show up as a fine grey line. Most people get
used to and don't notice them after a while though.
LCDs are becoming popular and take up less space. I am not sure how
popular they have become for CAD though. They are optimum at the
natural resolution of the screen and should be connected via a digital
DVI interface to the graphics card to avoid losing quality.


Then there is turboCAD which has been around for a while and is quite
cheap and effective.

Again the name rings a bell.

At least I han help him by getting 'known' packages for him .. there
are so many out there now I didn't want to help him with something
that was say very cheap if it then turns out to be iffy or
incompatible with everything else in the world ..?

All the best ..

T i m

..andy

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T i m wrote in news:0kflj0dp95screv0ff53snuu8hmga5bokt@
4ax.com:


I use Autodesk Autosketch which is a pretty good compromise between
function and ease of use.

I used Autosketch (DOS)for years at work, and got pretty good at it, often
producing drawings that went into the DO registry, after designing and
building the project with them. It (IIRC version 5) was an amazing prog.

A few years after I get retired, I got a PC and got Autosketch for windows
and it was utter rubbish (IMO) with a ridiculously cluttered interface and
very important functions like "break" missing.

I gave it to the charity shop.

I'm just curious - have they fixed it at all?

mike

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:17:46 +0000 (UTC), mike ring
wrote:

T i m wrote in news:0kflj0dp95screv0ff53snuu8hmga5bokt@
4ax.com:


I use Autodesk Autosketch which is a pretty good compromise between
function and ease of use.

I used Autosketch (DOS)for years at work, and got pretty good at it, often
producing drawings that went into the DO registry, after designing and
building the project with them. It (IIRC version 5) was an amazing prog.

A few years after I get retired, I got a PC and got Autosketch for windows
and it was utter rubbish (IMO) with a ridiculously cluttered interface and
very important functions like "break" missing.

I gave it to the charity shop.

I'm just curious - have they fixed it at all?

mike



I suppose it is what you are used to.

I use version 8 and find it pretty easy to use.


..andy

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On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:17:46 +0000 (UTC), mike ring
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T i m wrote in
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I use Autodesk Autosketch which is a pretty good compromise between
function and ease of use.

I used Autosketch (DOS)for years at work, and got pretty good at it,
often
producing drawings that went into the DO registry, after designing and
building the project with them. It (IIRC version 5) was an amazing prog.

A few years after I get retired, I got a PC and got Autosketch for
windows
and it was utter rubbish (IMO) with a ridiculously cluttered interface
and
very important functions like "break" missing.

I gave it to the charity shop.

I'm just curious - have they fixed it at all?

mike

I suppose it is what you are used to.

I use version 8 and find it pretty easy to use.

That's because you use crayon on the screen.

T i m wrote in message . ..
Hi All,

My Brother in law is looking for a PC based package for assisting with
plans / drawings for his lab refits and general building work.

Any *good* packages come to mind (he's willing to spend some money on
a decent PC and package for this), maybe something that would provide
a modular breakdown to provide pricing (benches / services etc).

3D view would be nice (to give customers a better feeling for the
final look).

If he finds something, maybe I can get the Roland pen plotter out of
my garage .. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

I use Sketchup from www.sketchup.com for conceptual 3d design and
customer presentations. This is very easy to use and really quick -
look at some of the work in the gallery or forum.

For main CAD work I now use Revit from Autodesk. This is a parametric
design program, which means you don't draw things as lines to make up
the drawing, but you draw using representations of walls, doors,
windows etc to make up a model. The items have attributes which let
you pull off a full material schedule, and you can add costings etc.
Its not cheap, but the time and labour savings over normal CAD are
incredible.

dg