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Insulating a chest freezer
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
Insulating a chest freezer
On 15 Aug 2020 08:42:21 GMT, Tim+ wrote:
If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Vapor barrier on the warm side, i.e. outside. Thomas Prufer |
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On Saturday, 15 August 2020 09:42:25 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc. Are you sure it has not lost some gas? Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow? |
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:
Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc. Are you sure it has not lost some gas? Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow? What climate class is it and where is it located? -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote: Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc. Are you sure it has not lost some gas? Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow? What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. and where is it located? In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 09:42:25 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc. Not recently but the radiator at the back definitely isnt choked with fluff/dust. A Light coating of dust at most. Still, wont hurt to brush it down. Are you sure it has not lost some gas? It may have, but given its age and non-critical use, I doubt its worth regassing. Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow? Dont think its worth it really. Its not in an enclosed position and air can circulate pretty freely. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote: and where is it located? In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather. Not always a good thing . Outside air temperature comes into play as to when the compressor will run . If the outside air gets too low then the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only be as cold as the outside air . Probably better put by these people. https://www.hunker.com/12590144/will...rage-in-winter See :- "Thawing" In fact that whole article seems to think keeping a freezer in an unheated uninsulated Garage is iffy. Maybe fine, on the south coast, to. nah, in the north of Scotland. |
Insulating a chest freezer
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 09:42:25 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim Yes that can be done. Foil must be on the outside, and needs to cover /all/ outside surface and be well sealed. Leaving the edges unfoiled will not do.. Don't apply it to modern machines that use the case to get rid of heat, but as long as it's got a black radiator on the back go for it. Keep it away form the compressor. NT |
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Tim+ Wrote in message:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that it?s not really performing to spec. It?s a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately it?s very much a ?spare? freezer that?s only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I don?t think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isn?t bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim Can you get (easily) kingspan/celotex with foil on only one face? I don't recall seeing it... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 15/08/2020 15:06, soup wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote: and where is it located? In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather. *Not always a good thing .* Outside air temperature comes into play as to when the compressor will run .* If the outside air gets too low then the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only be as cold as the outside air . That's not going to happen in August. Bill |
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On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for it over a period of time. Bill |
Insulating a chest freezer
On 15/08/2020 15:06, soup wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote: and where is it located? In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather. *Not always a good thing .* Outside air temperature comes into play as to when the compressor will run .* If the outside air gets too low then the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only be as cold as the outside air . Probably better put by these people. https://www.hunker.com/12590144/will...rage-in-winter *See :- "Thawing" In fact that whole article seems to think keeping a freezer in an unheated uninsulated Garage is iffy. Maybe fine, on the south coast, to. nah, in the north of Scotland. I'd maybe question your source there. The thing that determines whether the compressor kicks in or not is nothing to do with outside temperature. Certain freezers don't cope well with low temperatures ( 4C), but that's to do with the refrigerant not being able to cope. So the compressor is still activated - it just won't work as well/at all. -- Cheers, Rob |
Insulating a chest freezer
On 15/08/2020 09:42, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim I have on offcut of 2 inch celotex sitting flush against one side of my fridge-freezer which struggles in hot weather and if I move it away and feel the side of the FF, it is clearly much colder than the other side, so it is beneficial. Every little helps ... |
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On 15/08/2020 16:10, williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 15:06, soup wrote: On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote: and where is it located? In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather. **Not always a good thing .* Outside air temperature comes into play as to when the compressor will run .* If the outside air gets too low then the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only be as cold as the outside air . That's not going to happen in August. Bill Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?. |
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In message , Andrew
writes Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?. The famous incident was June 2nd 1975 (Derbyshire v Lancs). Whether or not there have been others, I don't know. Adrian -- To Reply : replace "diy" with "news" and reverse the domain If you are reading this from a web interface eg DIY Banter, DIY Forum or Google Groups, please be aware this is NOT a forum, and you are merely using a web portal to a USENET group. Many people block posters coming from web portals due to perceieved SPAM or inaneness. For a better method of access, please see: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 16:12:00 UTC+1, wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for it over a period of time. Bill Unfortunately this is close enough to true to rule. It might be that the machine is simply out of its environmental rating, but either way if it's decades old you're financially best off replacing it. NT |
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Adrian wrote: In message , Andrew writes Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?. The famous incident was June 2nd 1975 (Derbyshire v Lancs). Whether or not there have been others, I don't know. There was one in Essex. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote: Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc. Are you sure it has not lost some gas? Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow? What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. and where is it located? In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather. You need to look fairly carefully at the ratings plate. It will have a code on to tell you which refridgerant is in it. Some modern ones practically stop working at ambient temperatures around 4C but are fine inside a modern centrally heated garage but fail in a winter garage. This time of year I would not expect this caveat to apply since ambient is pretty much what the unit expects in normal operation. Mid winter a modern freezer can go to hell in a handcart if used in a garage as my brother found out to his cost. Entire thing had thawed during a cold snap when the garage ambient was a steady 4C for days on end. However the problem you describe sounds more like the "insulation" on the fridge is saturated with water and no longer an insulator. Any decent design of freezer even a couple of decades old should only lose a few degrees over a matter of hours (assuming that it is reasonably full). Foil outwards if you do want to put additional insulation on the outside. How hot and often is the compressor running? -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Nick Cat wrote:
Unfortunately this is close enough to true to rule. It might be that the machine is simply out of its environmental rating, but either way if it's decades old you're financially best off replacing it. +1. A freezer that can't cool to -20C at room temperature (~20-25C) is knackered, and will be thrashing itself trying. Fridges can often be picked up relatively affordably on ebay when someone is remodelling their kitchen and needs it gone ASAP. Not sure if the same applies to chest freezers, but there may also be commercial ones going spare. You might be able to pick up a late model for relatively little money. (also when you account for what Kingspan costs) Theo |
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On 15/08/2020 20:28, charles wrote:
In article , Adrian wrote: In message , Andrew writes Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?. The famous incident was June 2nd 1975 (Derbyshire v Lancs). Whether or not there have been others, I don't know. There was one in Essex. Yes Charles, but that wasn't snow, it was 'snow' (as in the white powdery stuff) |
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williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for it over a period of time. Bill If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount we use it, not worthwhile. If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim Has it lost some refrigerant? Im assuming youve checked it isnt frosted up? We had one which did this if it needed defrosting? Another option is air flow around the radiator on the back. We had one in a shed ( it was rated for use in out buildings) and it got a bit clogged with dust, saw dust etc. A quick clean and it was back to normal. Door / lid seals are another common fault. |
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On Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:20:56 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
williamwright wrote: On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for it over a period of time. Bill If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount we use it, not worthwhile. If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance.. Tim £40 in charity shops for a replacement freezer. Lots of insulation in skips, I wonder when we'll see glued together sheets on flea bay! You can work out what it's costing you, like that it'll run the compressor at the nameplate power continuously. NT |
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On Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:20:56 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: williamwright wrote: On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for it over a period of time. Bill If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount we use it, not worthwhile. If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance. Tim £40 in charity shops for a replacement freezer. And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? Lots of insulation in skips, I wonder when we'll see glued together sheets on flea bay! You can work out what it's costing you, like that it'll run the compressor at the nameplate power continuously. So you say, but it isnt. Possibly a faulty stat. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:20:56 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: williamwright wrote: On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote: What climate class is it No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years. Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for it over a period of time. Bill If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount we use it, not worthwhile. If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance. Tim £40 in charity shops for a replacement freezer. And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Lots of insulation in skips, I wonder when we'll see glued together sheets on flea bay! You can work out what it's costing you, like that it'll run the compressor at the nameplate power continuously. So you say, but it isnt. Possibly a faulty stat. Tim It may be adjustable. NT |
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On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 9:42:25 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on) and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C. When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a spare freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate. Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside? Tim If it's running continuously, it's lost some gas. Or it may be just the very hot weather. See what happens in cooler weather. If it has lost gas, it's junk these days. |
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On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. I'd also realise that if such a shop sold dodgy freezers regularly they'd be lucky to stay in business long. I'd also be aware that even without those the odds of a badun were lowish. That for £40 versus a new one for £175 is the choice. NT |
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wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if it?s any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? armchair power! :-D -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would demand a refund from a charity shop? Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 17/08/2020 17:30, Tim+ wrote:
wrote: On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would demand a refund from a charity shop? Tim I work (volunteer) in a Charity shop which sells "technical" items among the usual clothes, books etc. We have no problem with refunds - even offer and promote a 30 day change your mind guarantee. While I understand some people think its not on asking for a refund for an item costing say £2.99 its a different matter when you are talking about items in the £20 - £200 or higher category. Charity Shops are businesses raising as much as we can from the donated goods. i.e. asking Market Prices , so our Refund policy should reflect this and the law. |
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On Monday, 17 August 2020 17:30:18 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would demand a refund from a charity shop? Tim Lol. I don't agree to buy garbage when I purchase from them, and it's not in their interest to sell garbage. You can if you want. As for your judgement of my business relationships with charity shops, you really have no clue what you're talking about. NT |
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Tim+ wrote:
wrote: On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if its any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would demand a refund from a charity shop? Tim They show a few pictures of how a person might identify a problem with a freezer, based on frost. I've never had a freezer apart before, so can't vouch for the frosty mess they propose as being "normal". https://fixitnow.com/wp/2011/02/25/h...frost-pattern/ Paul |
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wrote: On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if it?s any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would demand a refund from a charity shop? Tim :-) -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Wrote in message:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 17:30:18 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: tabbypurr wrote: On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote: And how would I know if it?s any better than the one I have? use of brain Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer? Tim I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would demand a refund from a charity shop? Tim Lol. I don't agree to buy garbage when I purchase from them, and it's not in their interest to sell garbage. You can if you want. As for your judgement of my business relationships with charity shops, you really have no clue what you're talking about. NT We can have a good guess... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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