Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim


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On 15 Aug 2020 08:42:21 GMT, Tim+ wrote:

If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Vapor barrier on the warm side, i.e. outside.


Thomas Prufer

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 09:42:25 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim


Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc.

Are you sure it has not lost some gas?

Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow?

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc.

Are you sure it has not lost some gas?

Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better
airflow?

What climate class is it and where is it located?

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc.

Are you sure it has not lost some gas?

Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better
airflow?

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

and where is it located?

In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather.

Tim

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polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 09:42:25 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim


Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc.

Not recently but the radiator at the back definitely isnt choked with
fluff/dust. A Light coating of dust at most. Still, wont hurt to brush it
down.


Are you sure it has not lost some gas?

It may have, but given its age and €œnon-critical€� use, I doubt its worth
regassing.


Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better airflow?

Dont think its worth it really. Its not in an enclosed position and air
can circulate pretty freely.

Tim

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On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

and where is it located?

In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather.

Not always a good thing . Outside air temperature comes into play as
to when the compressor will run . If the outside air gets too low then
the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only
be as cold as the outside air .



Probably better put by these people.
https://www.hunker.com/12590144/will...rage-in-winter
See :- "Thawing"
In fact that whole article seems to think keeping a freezer in an
unheated uninsulated Garage is iffy.
Maybe fine, on the south coast, to. nah, in the north of Scotland.

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 09:42:25 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim

Yes that can be done. Foil must be on the outside, and needs to cover /all/ outside surface and be well sealed. Leaving the edges unfoiled will not do.. Don't apply it to modern machines that use the case to get rid of heat, but as long as it's got a black radiator on the back go for it. Keep it away form the compressor.


NT

Tim+ Wrote in message:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that it?s not really performing to spec. It?s a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately it?s very much a
?spare? freezer that?s only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I don?t think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isn?t bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim



Can you get (easily) kingspan/celotex with foil on only one face?
I don't recall seeing it...
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On 15/08/2020 15:06, soup wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

and where is it located?

In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather.

Â*Not always a good thing .Â* Outside air temperature comes into play as
to when the compressor will run .Â* If the outside air gets too low then
the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only
be as cold as the outside air .

That's not going to happen in August.

Bill

On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get
rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for
it over a period of time.
Bill

On 15/08/2020 15:06, soup wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

and where is it located?

In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather.

Â*Not always a good thing .Â* Outside air temperature comes into play as
to when the compressor will run .Â* If the outside air gets too low then
the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only
be as cold as the outside air .



Probably better put by these people.
https://www.hunker.com/12590144/will...rage-in-winter

Â*See :- "Thawing"
In fact that whole article seems to think keeping a freezer in an
unheated uninsulated Garage is iffy.
Maybe fine, on the south coast, to. nah, in the north of Scotland.

I'd maybe question your source there.

The thing that determines whether the compressor kicks in or not is
nothing to do with outside temperature.

Certain freezers don't cope well with low temperatures ( 4C), but
that's to do with the refrigerant not being able to cope. So the
compressor is still activated - it just won't work as well/at all.


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On 15/08/2020 09:42, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim



I have on offcut of 2 inch celotex sitting flush against one side of
my fridge-freezer which struggles in hot weather and if I move it
away and feel the side of the FF, it is clearly much colder than the
other side, so it is beneficial. Every little helps ...

On 15/08/2020 16:10, williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 15:06, soup wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

and where is it located?

In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather.

Â*Â*Not always a good thing .Â* Outside air temperature comes into play as
to when the compressor will run .Â* If the outside air gets too low then
the compressor may not run so often, so eventually the Freezer will only
be as cold as the outside air .

That's not going to happen in August.

Bill

Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?.

In message , Andrew
writes
Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?.

The famous incident was June 2nd 1975 (Derbyshire v Lancs). Whether or
not there have been others, I don't know.

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On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 16:12:00 UTC+1, wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get
rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for
it over a period of time.
Bill

Unfortunately this is close enough to true to rule. It might be that the machine is simply out of its environmental rating, but either way if it's decades old you're financially best off replacing it.


NT

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
In message , Andrew
writes
Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?.

The famous incident was June 2nd 1975 (Derbyshire v Lancs). Whether or
not there have been others, I don't know.

There was one in Essex.

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I'd have thought that it would make little difference. To do some good you
would need to get right up to the actual walls of the compartment. I had a
freezer that went like yours, always running etc, and it was replaced. On
looking at the stuff in the sandwich of insulation, it had somehow got wet
and thus was about as useful as no insulation at all, in the end.
Now there is only me, I only need my little freezer on the Fridge and they
most certainly seem to have improved the insulation over the intervening
years.
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"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that it's not really performing to spec. It's a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately it's very much
a
"spare" freezer that's only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I don't think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isn't bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim


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On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google wrote:

Have you cleaned the back? All the "radiator" fins, etc.

Are you sure it has not lost some gas?

Have you considered placing a very modest fan to encourage better
airflow?

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

and where is it located?

In our garage which stays relatively cool even in this weather.

You need to look fairly carefully at the ratings plate. It will have a
code on to tell you which refridgerant is in it. Some modern ones
practically stop working at ambient temperatures around 4C but are fine
inside a modern centrally heated garage but fail in a winter garage.

This time of year I would not expect this caveat to apply since ambient
is pretty much what the unit expects in normal operation. Mid winter a
modern freezer can go to hell in a handcart if used in a garage as my
brother found out to his cost. Entire thing had thawed during a cold
snap when the garage ambient was a steady 4C for days on end.

However the problem you describe sounds more like the "insulation" on
the fridge is saturated with water and no longer an insulator. Any
decent design of freezer even a couple of decades old should only lose a
few degrees over a matter of hours (assuming that it is reasonably full).

Foil outwards if you do want to put additional insulation on the
outside. How hot and often is the compressor running?

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Nick Cat wrote:
Unfortunately this is close enough to true to rule. It might be that the
machine is simply out of its environmental rating, but either way if it's
decades old you're financially best off replacing it.

+1. A freezer that can't cool to -20C at room temperature (~20-25C) is
knackered, and will be thrashing itself trying.

Fridges can often be picked up relatively affordably on ebay when someone is
remodelling their kitchen and needs it gone ASAP. Not sure if the same
applies to chest freezers, but there may also be commercial ones going
spare. You might be able to pick up a late model for relatively little
money.

(also when you account for what Kingspan costs)

Theo

On 15/08/2020 20:28, charles wrote:
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
In message , Andrew
writes
Didn't snow stop a cricket match in August once in Buxton ?.

The famous incident was June 2nd 1975 (Derbyshire v Lancs). Whether or
not there have been others, I don't know.

There was one in Essex.


Yes Charles, but that wasn't snow, it was 'snow' (as in
the white powdery stuff)

williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get
rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for
it over a period of time.
Bill


If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed
into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during
this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount
we use it, not worthwhile.

If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont
cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance.

Tim
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Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim



Has it lost some refrigerant?

Im assuming youve checked it isnt frosted up? We had one which did this
if it needed defrosting?

Another option is air flow around the €˜radiator on the back. We had one in
a shed ( it was rated for use in out buildings) and it got a bit clogged
with dust, saw dust etc. A quick clean and it was back to normal.

Door / lid seals are another common fault.

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:20:56 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get
rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for
it over a period of time.
Bill


If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed
into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during
this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount
we use it, not worthwhile.

If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont
cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance..

Tim

£40 in charity shops for a replacement freezer.

Lots of insulation in skips, I wonder when we'll see glued together sheets on flea bay!

You can work out what it's costing you, like that it'll run the compressor at the nameplate power continuously.


NT

wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:20:56 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get
rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for
it over a period of time.
Bill


If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed
into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during
this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount
we use it, not worthwhile.

If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont
cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance.

Tim

£40 in charity shops for a replacement freezer.

And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?


Lots of insulation in skips, I wonder when we'll see glued together sheets on flea bay!

You can work out what it's costing you, like that it'll run the
compressor at the nameplate power continuously.

So you say, but it isnt. Possibly a faulty stat.

Tim



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On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 14:20:56 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
williamwright wrote:
On 15/08/2020 12:23, Tim+ wrote:

What climate class is it

No idea. Weve had it for donkeys years.

Well it's obviously ****ed then. Don't waste time and money on it. Get
rid. Get a new one and the reduced power consumption will help pay for
it over a period of time.
Bill


If it was one that we use year round, Id agree but it only gets pressed
into service on special occasions (a few weeks over Christmas and during
this Covid crisis). A new one would be a minimum of £170 and for the amount
we use it, not worthwhile.

If I can find any insulation off-cuts in a skip somewhere then it wont
cost me anything (bar the glue) to have a go at improving its performance.

Tim

£40 in charity shops for a replacement freezer.

And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?

use of brain


Lots of insulation in skips, I wonder when we'll see glued together sheets on flea bay!

You can work out what it's costing you, like that it'll run the
compressor at the nameplate power continuously.

So you say, but it isnt. Possibly a faulty stat.

Tim

It may be adjustable.


NT

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 9:42:25 AM UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Well, I stuck a temperature probe in my old chest freezer and discovered
that its not really performing to spec. Its a 3/4 star rated freezer (I
think he 4* rating only applies when the fast freeze mode is switched on)
and the temperature seems to cycle between -15.5 and -12 C.

When I turned it off for the hours the temperature rose to -4 C which is
clearly not good for longer term food storage. Fortunately its very much a
€œspare€� freezer thats only been pushed into service to allow us to
stockpile a few essentials should we have to self isolate.

Anyhow, I dont think that the insulation has obviously failed (the case
isnt bulging anywhere) but I was wondering if I could just glue some
kingspan/celotex etc to the outside? If I were to do this, should I glue
the foil side to the cabinet or have the foil to the outside?

Tim

If it's running continuously, it's lost some gas.
Or it may be just the very hot weather.
See what happens in cooler weather.
If it has lost gas, it's junk these days.

wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

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On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the legal & practical comebacks I'd have. I'd also realise that if such a shop sold dodgy freezers regularly they'd be lucky to stay in business long. I'd also be aware that even without those the odds of a badun were lowish.

That for £40 versus a new one for £175 is the choice.


NT

Tim+ Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if it?s any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

armchair power! :-D

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wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the
legal & practical comebacks I'd have.

Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would
demand a refund from a charity shop?

Tim


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On 17/08/2020 17:30, Tim+ wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the
legal & practical comebacks I'd have.

Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would
demand a refund from a charity shop?

Tim


I work (volunteer) in a Charity shop which sells "technical" items among
the usual clothes, books etc.
We have no problem with refunds - even offer and promote a 30 day
change your mind guarantee.
While I understand some people think its not on asking for a refund for
an item costing say £2.99 its a different matter when you are talking
about items in the £20 - £200 or higher category.
Charity Shops are businesses raising as much as we can from the donated
goods. i.e. asking Market Prices , so our Refund policy should reflect
this and the law.

On Monday, 17 August 2020 17:30:18 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the
legal & practical comebacks I'd have.

Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would
demand a refund from a charity shop?

Tim

Lol. I don't agree to buy garbage when I purchase from them, and it's not in their interest to sell garbage. You can if you want. As for your judgement of my business relationships with charity shops, you really have no clue what you're talking about.


NT

Tim+ wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
And how would I know if its any better than the one I have?
use of brain
Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim
I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the
legal & practical comebacks I'd have.

Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would
demand a refund from a charity shop?

Tim

They show a few pictures of how a person might identify
a problem with a freezer, based on frost. I've never
had a freezer apart before, so can't vouch for the frosty
mess they propose as being "normal".

https://fixitnow.com/wp/2011/02/25/h...frost-pattern/

Paul

Tim+ Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if it?s any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the
legal & practical comebacks I'd have.

Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would
demand a refund from a charity shop?

Tim



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Wrote in message:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 17:30:18 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 17 August 2020 13:46:04 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:05:57 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:


And how would I know if it?s any better than the one I have?

use of brain

Do explain then. Which of your superpowers do you use to detect how much
refrigerant loss there has been in a used freezer?

Tim

I don't use any superpowers. I'd rely on the legal contract of sale & the
legal & practical comebacks I'd have.

Excepting yourself obviously, do you know any *other* ****s who would
demand a refund from a charity shop?

Tim

Lol. I don't agree to buy garbage when I purchase from them, and it's not in their interest to sell garbage. You can if you want. As for your judgement of my business relationships with charity shops, you really have no clue what you're talking about.


NT


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