External handrail fixing
We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical
brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. The door opening is more-or-less along where the brick and tile meet (where the weather deflector shows), so I would not want the handrail inside that. I am concerned that even if it survives drilling, trying to use a plug or rawlplug could result in the top edge of the brick splitting away when the screw is tightened. Maybe some sort of resin fixing such as https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-r-kem11-175-kit-styrene-free-polyester-resin-175ml/4100r would be less likely to damage the brick. I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. Any comments? -- Jeff |
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Concrete screws despite their name will fix to brick as well and can be driven in close to the edge. I have a wooden post fixed into one of those metapost brackets which in turn is fixed to a paving slab 50mm thick two of the screws are about 25mm from the edge and have not caused any breakaway even with the post supporting a handrail.
Richard |
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In message , Jeff Layman
writes We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iro...s/dp/B072SWRPY 9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. The door opening is more-or-less along where the brick and tile meet (where the weather deflector shows), so I would not want the handrail inside that. I am concerned that even if it survives drilling, trying to use a plug or rawlplug could result in the top edge of the brick splitting away when the screw is tightened. Maybe some sort of resin fixing such as https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-...ne-free-polyes ter-resin-175ml/4100r would be less likely to damage the brick. I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. Any comments? Depends a lot on the brick:-) Yours look to be solid clay rather than full of holes. Assuming the rail is fitted coming up from the right in your photo, you could fit an additional spacer as high up the lower upright as you can and screw through that to the wall? I don't see a problem in doing the same to the metal framed PVC. -- Tim Lamb |
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On Sunday, 2 August 2020 10:07:22 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote:
We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail If you are uncertain the brick will take the full tug load of an adult, I would put in double right-angle 'Z' brackets at the base of the handrail so you can drill through into both the vertical long side of the brick, and the horizontal surface of the step below / to the side. Then weld or bolt the upright to the brackets. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/45/Handrail.jpg Owain |
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 10:07:20 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:
We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iro.../dp/B072SWRPY9 How much! However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. And there isn't a great deal holding those vertical bricks in place. I'm assuming that the hand rail will be perpendicular to the wall, so someone leaning heavly on the rail will be effectively levering the brick out of its slot. Those bases look horribly small as well with a 1.2 m lever attached. Personally I'd look for bases that would allow fixing to the centerish of two bricks and have some diagonal bracing to the rail. I do have tendancy to over engineer things... I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. Take it steady with a proper tile drill (no hammer action!) and it shouldn't be a problem. Clearance hole for the fixing. Do you know what's underneath the tiles? Hopefully it's rubble infilled with concrete to a solid lump. That would provide a much firmer fixing than either of the bricks. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I was going to suggest something like: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B086DS1X8F But you haven't a real wall to fix it to. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 02/08/2020 11:18, wrote:
On Sunday, 2 August 2020 10:07:22 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote: We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail If you are uncertain the brick will take the full tug load of an adult, I would put in double right-angle 'Z' brackets at the base of the handrail so you can drill through into both the vertical long side of the brick, and the horizontal surface of the step below / to the side. Then weld or bolt the upright to the brackets. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/4/45/Handrail.jpg Or working with that theme, stick the rail into the lower step, but hard against the top step, then use a U bolt or similar anchor to fix the post to the side of the top step. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 02/08/2020 12:12, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 10:07:20 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote: We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iro.../dp/B072SWRPY9 How much! However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. And there isn't a great deal holding those vertical bricks in place. I'm assuming that the hand rail will be perpendicular to the wall, so someone leaning heavly on the rail will be effectively levering the brick out of its slot. Those bases look horribly small as well with a 1.2 m lever attached. Personally I'd look for bases that would allow fixing to the centerish of two bricks and have some diagonal bracing to the rail. I do have tendancy to over engineer things... I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. Take it steady with a proper tile drill (no hammer action!) and it shouldn't be a problem. Clearance hole for the fixing. Do you know what's underneath the tiles? Hopefully it's rubble infilled with concrete to a solid lump. That would provide a much firmer fixing than either of the bricks. Those look a bit like quarry tiles, in which case they may be a bugger to drill using an ordinary carbide bit. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I was going to suggest something like: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B086DS1X8F But you haven't a real wall to fix it to. We could do with a wider view of the layout, there might be other ways to create a suitable handrail supported away from those steps (or at any rate not imposing significant moments or sideways loads on them if called on to support a tripping body). |
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 13:09:13 +0100, newshound wrote:
I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. Take it steady with a proper tile drill (no hammer action!) and it shouldn't be a problem. ks. Those look a bit like quarry tiles, in which case they may be a bugger to drill using an ordinary carbide bit. Probably are but still drillable provided you take it easy and use water as a lubricant/coolant if required. We could do with a wider view of the layout, there might be other ways to create a suitable handrail supported away from those steps Agreed we only see two of the three steps mentioned. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 02/08/2020 13:09, newshound wrote:
On 02/08/2020 12:12, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 10:07:20 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote: We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iro.../dp/B072SWRPY9 How much! However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. And there isn't a great deal holding those vertical bricks in place. I'm assuming that the hand rail will be perpendicular to the wall, so someone leaning heavly on the rail will be effectively levering the brick out of its slot. Those bases look horribly small as well with a 1.2 m lever attached. Personally I'd look for bases that would allow fixing to the centerish of two bricks and have some diagonal bracing to the rail. I do have tendancy to over engineer things... I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. Take it steady with a proper tile drill (no hammer action!) and it shouldn't be a problem. Clearance hole for the fixing. Do you know what's underneath the tiles? Hopefully it's rubble infilled with concrete to a solid lump. That would provide a much firmer fixing than either of the bricks. Those look a bit like quarry tiles, in which case they may be a bugger to drill using an ordinary carbide bit. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I was going to suggest something like: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B086DS1X8F But you haven't a real wall to fix it to. We could do with a wider view of the layout, there might be other ways to create a suitable handrail supported away from those steps (or at any rate not imposing significant moments or sideways loads on them if called on to support a tripping body). Your wish is my command... https://ibb.co/25k41g3 Sorry about the plants in the way! The concrete at the base of the steps is strong and thick, so the bottom post would be very stable when screwed to it. The first step "plinth" is 3750 x 930 mm (there is a wall on the left side that can't be seen in the photo). The next step is 1430 x 680, and the top step is 910 x 42. Many thanks for all the replies. I'd forgotten about concrete screws, and I hadn't taken into account that vertical brick might move out with a strong sideways moment on it. A "Z" bracket would help, but that would need drilling into the tile below, and as I've said I'm not keen on that. I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. That would almost certainly mean a bespoke handrail construction and even the "ready to use" ones aren't exactly cheap! However, it's not the sort of thing where an "it'll do..." attitude should apply. -- Jeff |
External handrail fixing
On 02/08/2020 10:07, Jeff Layman wrote:
We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. Bolt a length of 3" x 3" angle to the side of the vertical bricks. It should be half way up the bricks and should span all the bricks with a fixing into each the centre of each brick, in order to spread the load. Fix the rail support to the horizontal surface of the angle. You could get the angle galved and powder coated, or merely clean and paint it thoroughly. A local light engineering one-man band would be your best bet. Bill |
External handrail fixing
On Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:23:55 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote:
The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. It would. I'd suggest an L fixed to the wall to teh side and below the door opening, and another angled L forming the handrail and vertical, fixed into the path concrete. That avoids drilling the steps bricks and tiles completely, and holes in the house wall will be more easily patched when the rail is removed. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/9/91/Handrail2.jpg A blacksmith should be able to fit that up out of steel tube for you, or if you want to DIY, Kee Klamp or equivalent. https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps Galv steel tube is only a fiver a metre and most of the fittings are under a fiver. Obs a smith can bend the tube, saving an adjustable angle fitting and looking neater. Owain |
External handrail fixing
On Sunday, 2 August 2020 15:55:51 UTC+1, wrote:
https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps A couple of examples in their gallery https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/up/i...5072/image.jpg https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/gallery/main Owain |
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 07:59:47 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: On Sunday, 2 August 2020 15:55:51 UTC+1, wrote: https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps A couple of examples in their gallery https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/up/i...5072/image.jpg Wouldn't you have brushed it all down before stepping back to take the picture? ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 02/08/2020 15:55, wrote:
On Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:23:55 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote: The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. It would. I'd suggest an L fixed to the wall to teh side and below the door opening, and another angled L forming the handrail and vertical, fixed into the path concrete. That avoids drilling the steps bricks and tiles completely, and holes in the house wall will be more easily patched when the rail is removed. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/9/91/Handrail2.jpg A blacksmith should be able to fit that up out of steel tube for you, or if you want to DIY, Kee Klamp or equivalent. https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps Galv steel tube is only a fiver a metre and most of the fittings are under a fiver. Obs a smith can bend the tube, saving an adjustable angle fitting and looking neater. Owain Exactly what I was going to suggest the moment I saw the picture! I used key clamp for the steps of my late parents victorian basement flat (where it wasn't very visible and didn't need to look pretty). Also Key Clamp is relatively easy to remove. In your case I would probably consider getting a blacksmith to make something prettier. What they'd charge depends on what they think you are able to pay. |
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A hand rail is not just a guide, it has to have strength in all directions
in my view. Somebody leaning on it and it giving way is worse than no hand rail at all. Also consider painting white lines on the edges and sides of steps to help in poor light. Is there no way its lower end can be attached to the base as well as a step? Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. The door opening is more-or-less along where the brick and tile meet (where the weather deflector shows), so I would not want the handrail inside that. I am concerned that even if it survives drilling, trying to use a plug or rawlplug could result in the top edge of the brick splitting away when the screw is tightened. Maybe some sort of resin fixing such as https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-r-kem11-175-kit-styrene-free-polyester-resin-175ml/4100r would be less likely to damage the brick. I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. Any comments? -- Jeff |
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On 02/08/2020 15:55, wrote:
On Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:23:55 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote: The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. It would. I'd suggest an L fixed to the wall to teh side and below the door opening, and another angled L forming the handrail and vertical, fixed into the path concrete. That avoids drilling the steps bricks and tiles completely, and holes in the house wall will be more easily patched when the rail is removed. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/9/91/Handrail2.jpg A blacksmith should be able to fit that up out of steel tube for you, or if you want to DIY, Kee Klamp or equivalent. https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps Galv steel tube is only a fiver a metre and most of the fittings are under a fiver. Obs a smith can bend the tube, saving an adjustable angle fitting and looking neater. Thanks for that. I'd seen the galvanised tube railing but rejected in on the grounds that it looked like the sort of thing you'd get on terraces at football grounds! Effective, no doubt, but not exactly attractive, and I'm sure The Management would have something disparaging to say about it. I'll have a think about how to proceed. One possibility is to have the fixing plate for the wall on a pivot in the same way that the rail itself can pivot on the post tops for varying heights such as shown at https://blackbourneiron.co.uk/collections/home-furniture-diy-storage-solutions-wall-hooks-door-hangers/products/wrought-iron-handrail-on-two-bolt-down-posts-adjustable -- Jeff |
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On Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:41:26 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote:
Thanks for that. I'd seen the galvanised tube railing but rejected in on the grounds that it looked like the sort of thing you'd get on terraces at football grounds! Effective, no doubt, but not exactly attractive, and I'm sure The Management would have something disparaging to say about it. You could paint it to match the door colour, and especially if you put a mid-height rail use that to support some potplants (on the outside away from the step.) Owain |
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On the assumption that under the tiles there is some depth of a concrete or mortar bed onto which the tiles are bedded, then one option is to attach extension plates to the existing bases which would overlap onto the tiles to enable fixing holes in the tiles. Core drills will cut through the tiles and it is possible to get quite small diameter ones. To drill without a pilot drill is simple using a wooden template with a hole matching the core drill.
Richard |
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On Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:49:34 UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:41:26 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote: Thanks for that. I'd seen the galvanised tube railing but rejected in on the grounds that it looked like the sort of thing you'd get on terraces at football grounds! Effective, no doubt, but not exactly attractive, and I'm sure The Management would have something disparaging to say about it. You could paint it to match the door colour, and especially if you put a mid-height rail use that to support some potplants (on the outside away from the step.) Owain But painting galvanised tube needs proper treatment. I am looking to do a very small amount in the next week or two. Anyone got good, simple, cheap suggestions? |
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In article ,
Jeff Layman wrote: On 02/08/2020 15:55, wrote: On Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:23:55 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote: The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. It would. I'd suggest an L fixed to the wall to teh side and below the door opening, and another angled L forming the handrail and vertical, fixed into the path concrete. That avoids drilling the steps bricks and tiles completely, and holes in the house wall will be more easily patched when the rail is removed. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/9/91/Handrail2.jpg A blacksmith should be able to fit that up out of steel tube for you, or if you want to DIY, Kee Klamp or equivalent. https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps Galv steel tube is only a fiver a metre and most of the fittings are under a fiver. Obs a smith can bend the tube, saving an adjustable angle fitting and looking neater. Thanks for that. I'd seen the galvanised tube railing but rejected in on the grounds that it looked like the sort of thing you'd get on terraces at football grounds! Effective, no doubt, but not exactly attractive, and I'm sure The Management would have something disparaging to say about it. We have a safety barrier at our Village Hall made of this. A covering of coloured tape, as we've done, might enhance it. You can get it pre-coated to a colour. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
External handrail fixing
On 02/08/2020 10:07, Jeff Layman wrote:
We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. If the less mobile includes the residents why not do a proper job and scrap the 3x 8" steep step in favour of more user friendly 4x 6" steps. That is what I did when faced with a single 10" step. Which was actually an original 8" step plus the additional height of a uPVC door frame. I added a split the difference platform at the mid level. That changed the entry and exit route from mountaineering into really quite easy/ However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. The door opening is more-or-less along where the brick and tile meet (where the weather deflector shows), so I would not want the handrail inside that. I am concerned that even if it survives drilling, trying to use a plug or rawlplug could result in the top edge of the brick splitting away when the screw is tightened. Maybe some sort of resin fixing such as https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-r-kem11-175-kit-styrene-free-polyester-resin-175ml/4100r would be less likely to damage the brick. I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. Any comments? I'd be wary of going closer to the edge than an inch. It is most likely to fail when a full adult weight sideways dynamic load is applied - IOW when someone trips and then tries to use the rail to support themselves. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 02/08/2020 22:19, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/08/2020 10:07, Jeff Layman wrote: We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. If the less mobile includes the residents why not do a proper job and scrap the 3x 8" steep step in favour of more user friendly 4x 6" steps. I had considered that, but changing this lot: https://ibb.co/25k41g3 would involve a lot of work and a lot of expense. That is what I did when faced with a single 10" step. Which was actually an original 8" step plus the additional height of a uPVC door frame. I added a split the difference platform at the mid level. That changed the entry and exit route from mountaineering into really quite easy/ However, as can be seen at the photo at https://ibb.co/Yt4q3Pz, the fixing for the base of the handrail top post will be close to the edge of the brick. The door opening is more-or-less along where the brick and tile meet (where the weather deflector shows), so I would not want the handrail inside that. I am concerned that even if it survives drilling, trying to use a plug or rawlplug could result in the top edge of the brick splitting away when the screw is tightened. Maybe some sort of resin fixing such as https://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-r-kem11-175-kit-styrene-free-polyester-resin-175ml/4100r would be less likely to damage the brick. I do not want to drill into the tile as if it cracks I have no replacement. The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. Any comments? I'd be wary of going closer to the edge than an inch. It is most likely to fail when a full adult weight sideways dynamic load is applied - IOW when someone trips and then tries to use the rail to support themselves. That's why I am now looking at fixing it to the bricks under the door/panel. I actually emailed the handrail makers in my OP early this evening and got a reply an hour ago! They think they can do what I want with a minor mod to their off-the-shelf handrails, but I will send them a photo/diagram tomorrow morning to make sure we are both clear about what I'm asking for. -- Jeff |
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On 02/08/2020 18:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 02/08/2020 15:55, wrote: On Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:23:55 UTC+1, Jeff LaymanÂ* wrote: The door surround is metal-framed PVC, and I doubt it has reliable strength to take a wall fixing for a handrail. I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. It would. I'd suggest an LÂ* fixed to the wall to teh side and below the door opening, and another angled L forming the handrail and vertical, fixed into the path concrete. That avoids drilling the steps bricks and tiles completely, and holes in the house wall will be more easily patched when the rail is removed. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/9/91/Handrail2.jpg A blacksmith should be able to fit that up out of steel tube for you, or if you want to DIY, Kee Klamp or equivalent. https://www.themetalstore.co.uk/products/tube-clamps Galv steel tube is only a fiver a metre and most of the fittings are under a fiver. Obs a smith can bend the tube, saving an adjustable angle fitting and looking neater. Thanks for that. I'd seen the galvanised tube railing but rejected in on the grounds that it looked like the sort of thing you'd get on terraces at football grounds! Effective, no doubt, but not exactly attractive, and I'm sure The Management would have something disparaging to say about it. I'll have a think about how to proceed. One possibility is to have the fixing plate for the wall on a pivot in the same way that the rail itself can pivot on the post tops for varying heights such as shown at https://blackbourneiron.co.uk/collections/home-furniture-diy-storage-solutions-wall-hooks-door-hangers/products/wrought-iron-handrail-on-two-bolt-down-posts-adjustable Suitable L shaped bracket bolted to the wall, to give you a place to bolt the foot of the "off the shelf" unit? Or (to paraphrase Brad Paisley) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_FN4ygjTo Get you a welder, learn how to weld |
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On 02/08/2020 14:23, Jeff Layman wrote:
Your wish is my command... https://ibb.co/25k41g3 Sorry about the plants in the way! The concrete at the base of the steps is strong and thick, so the bottom post would be very stable when screwed to it. The first step "plinth" is 3750 x 930 mm (there is a wall on the left side that can't be seen in the photo). The next step is 1430 x 680, and the top step is 910 x 42. Many thanks for all the replies. I'd forgotten about concrete screws, and I hadn't taken into account that vertical brick might move out with a strong sideways moment on it. One quite nice thing about resin fixings is that you can use custom lengths of threaded rod, to get more load capacity. With a wide baseplate you can shift most of the loading to tension on the bolts - and resin bonded anchors are good at dealing with that. A "Z" bracket would help, but that would need drilling into the tile below, and as I've said I'm not keen on that. I would not be too worried about that; quarry tiles are hard but drillable - normally something like a Bosch multi material bit will work. If you find it difficult, then one of the miniture grit edges hole saws will do it (they will do porcelain - which is the hardest tile to cut IME). I'm now wondering if it might be best to have the top post fixed to the house wall where the door and RH panel meet. That would almost certainly mean a bespoke handrail construction and even the "ready to use" ones aren't exactly cheap! However, it's not the sort of thing where an "it'll do..." attitude should apply. If you are handy with a welder, then you can buy all the various bits of wrought iron metalwork for handrails separately and make what you need. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
External handrail fixing
On 02/08/2020 22:19, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/08/2020 10:07, Jeff Layman wrote: We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical Â*brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been Â*thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. If the less mobile includes the residents why not do a proper job and scrap the 3x 8" steep step in favour of more user friendly 4x 6" steps. Could be worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QGmSOzXV1s -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
External handrail fixing
On 09/08/2020 21:41, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/08/2020 22:19, Martin Brown wrote: On 02/08/2020 10:07, Jeff Layman wrote: We have three steps up to our front door. These are 8" high (vertical Â*brick) and can be awkward for those who are less mobile. I have been Â*thinking of putting in a handrail like that at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wrought-Iron-Plain-Handrail-Posts/dp/B072SWRPY9/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1. If the less mobile includes the residents why not do a proper job and scrap the 3x 8" steep step in favour of more user friendly 4x 6" steps. Could be worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QGmSOzXV1s Vary strange! As noted in some of the comments, it appears the steps were rounded and the bottom three were cut off straight. I've been trying to paint the handrail I bought, but Hammerite doesn't like going on evenly when it's too warm. I've decided to do three thick coats with an "I don't care what it looks like" finish just to protect the wrought iron underneath for the time being. When it's cooler I'll use wet'n'dry to smooth it and repaint, probably using a miniroller, as IMHO paint brushes are instruments of torture. -- Jeff |
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