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Stick welding revelation
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:26:04 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: On 31/07/2020 10:43, T i m wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:03:54 +0100, Muddymike wrote: snip Ive always thought stick welding was a black art. Not black art but one of those things where 1) it's much easier using the right gear 2) in the right position 3) on the right job (to start with especially) and 4) ideally with a mentor to give you tips re the approach and what is right (setup wise, rather than what should right. The books / chart says 60A but in fact on that particular setup you actually *need* 75A etc). I have found being able to get into a comfortable position helps greatly - even simple things like when using a new (i.e. long) rod, Oh, absolutely, irrespective of the log rod etc. But then I guess that applies to most things? weg using my free hand to prop the electrode somewhere nearer the business end, makes for a much easier job of keeping it where you want and not waggling all over the place! Yup, (although you need decent hand protection for that) and again, yer overall position (you and the job) can determine how easy things can be. p.s. Whilst I could weld (stick / gas) and had my own gear from an early age, I got loads of good mentoring from a coded welder who really did make it look so easy. Even welding a h/d pipe overhead in cramped conditions. ;-) I count anything under 2' from the ground as cramped conditions these days! I'm still ok on my haunches (for a short time) but cant just spring up from that position like I used to. So, on the floor is ok, or sitting an a low to high stool or standing is ok. Welding overhead can be 'fun' for other reasons than lack of comfort. When I replaced the 8' square up-and-over garage door that came with my (what was to be) workshop, I replaced it with a square arch 'subframe' (100x100x12mm" angle) and 3 fanlites at the top and a bi-fold door and personal door at the bottom (doors 6'6" high). I dragged out the stick welder to weld the top fillets as I needed something a bit 'punchy'. I was ok, up on the platform, my mate below, steadying it whist I got the tacks in, not so. I think I had to treat him to a new jumper. ;-) The top frame / opening windows were all in lighter angle (wired glass) and the doors were 50x25x1.5mm steel box, clad on the inside with steel sheet (so that could be skinned with something more decorative on the outside within the frames). I put the horizontal steel cutting bandsaw, MIG welder and (very old, bought with the SIP 150) B&D 'Pro' angle grinder to good use on that project. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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newshound writes On 31/07/2020 09:03, Muddymike wrote: Ive always thought stick welding was a black art. You've now inspired me to buy some rods and try out the the electrode holder that came with my inverter MIG. Mike Start with thinner sticks! They are less sticky. If the rod sticks, wind up the current setting. Right rod for the job. Thicker steel=thicker rods. Rule 2, bend the rod. This allows you to watch the weld progressing without the stick holder getting in the way. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 31/07/2020 12:55, T i m wrote:
I put the horizontal steel cutting bandsaw, MIG welder and (very old, bought with the SIP 150) B&D 'Pro' angle grinder to good use on that project. ;-) One of the detachable mains lead "Proline" jobbies? (I still have one going strong that I got in the late 80's) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:13:05 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: On 31/07/2020 12:55, T i m wrote: I put the horizontal steel cutting bandsaw, MIG welder and (very old, bought with the SIP 150) B&D 'Pro' angle grinder to good use on that project. ;-) One of the detachable mains lead "Proline" jobbies? No, not on mine John but I did replace the std mains lead for a much longer (orange) one as you *typically* have to plug them into an extension lead to be able to do anything other than just stuff on the bench. (I still have one going strong that I got in the late 80's) Mine is black, if that helps (I'll see if the info plate is still on there the next time I go to the workshop). But that's got me thinking ... could it be a Bosch pro ... black rather than green? Cheers, T i m |
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On 01/08/2020 16:35, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:13:05 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 31/07/2020 12:55, T i m wrote: I put the horizontal steel cutting bandsaw, MIG welder and (very old, bought with the SIP 150) B&D 'Pro' angle grinder to good use on that project. ;-) One of the detachable mains lead "Proline" jobbies? No, not on mine John but I did replace the std mains lead for a much longer (orange) one as you *typically* have to plug them into an extension lead to be able to do anything other than just stuff on the bench. (I still have one going strong that I got in the late 80's) Mine is black, if that helps (I'll see if the info plate is still on there the next time I go to the workshop). But that's got me thinking ... could it be a Bosch pro ... black rather than green? Bosch pro is normally blue... My AG looks like: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ne115mmAG.jpeg -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 23:24:56 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: On 01/08/2020 16:35, T i m wrote: On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:13:05 +0100, John Rumm wrote: On 31/07/2020 12:55, T i m wrote: I put the horizontal steel cutting bandsaw, MIG welder and (very old, bought with the SIP 150) B&D 'Pro' angle grinder to good use on that project. ;-) One of the detachable mains lead "Proline" jobbies? No, not on mine John but I did replace the std mains lead for a much longer (orange) one as you *typically* have to plug them into an extension lead to be able to do anything other than just stuff on the bench. (I still have one going strong that I got in the late 80's) Mine is black, if that helps (I'll see if the info plate is still on there the next time I go to the workshop). But that's got me thinking ... could it be a Bosch pro ... black rather than green? Bosch pro is normally blue... My AG looks like: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ne115mmAG.jpeg Hmm, no, not like that, mine has a suicide slider switch on the top (or side) you work with your thumb? Possibly like this: (The problem is that I have several AG's and so the image of them blends into one). ;-( https://webimg.secondhandapp.com/1.1...1cbe0ec9eba14d Cheers, T i m |
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On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote:
On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. I also have a bigger MIG with optional stick leads.Could carry it anywhere, up a pole hanging off your belt if you wished. |
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:15:34 +1000, F Murtz
wrote: On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. I also have a bigger MIG with optional stick leads.Could carry it anywhere, up a pole hanging off your belt if you wished. What sort of duty cycle OOI? Cheers, T i m |
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On 03/08/2020 11:39, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:15:34 +1000, F Murtz wrote: On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. I also have a bigger MIG with optional stick leads.Could carry it anywhere, up a pole hanging off your belt if you wished. What sort of duty cycle OOI? Cheers, T i m It would be interesting to know how many amps it really delivers. There are youtube videos showing that some of the Chinese stuff doesn't meet the claims. But welding 3.2 is impressive. My Lidl cheapy (£75 or so) won't go beyond 2. Or at least, not for me :-). I agree that they are amazing, though. |
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On 03/08/2020 11:39:30, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:15:34 +1000, F Murtz wrote: On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. I also have a bigger MIG with optional stick leads.Could carry it anywhere, up a pole hanging off your belt if you wished. What sort of duty cycle OOI? Cheers, T i m The link contains a spec which says 60%. |
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On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:39:30 +0100, T i m wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. What sort of duty cycle OOI? 60% according to the page... and less than £40 from China (+ shipping, tax?). Only comes with matching connectors, no cables/clamps etc. -- Cheers Dave. |
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F Murtz Wrote in message:
On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m "The address wasn't understood" -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 19:32:27 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Jimk
wrote: F Murtz Wrote in message: On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m "The address wasn't understood" (Still) works fine here Jimmy, best ask a grown-up to help you? Cheers, T i m |
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:12:31 +0100, Fredxx wrote:
snip What sort of duty cycle OOI? The link contains a spec which says 60%. Yeah, I saw that ... and where it was from so I was interested in the real world value. ;-) Also, does '60%', even if valid, give you any idea of how long you can weld for before it might thermally trip? 6 minutes on, 4 minutes off .... 60 seconds on, 40 seconds off? And if it's 60 seconds at 20A ... ? ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 3/8/20 8:39 pm, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:15:34 +1000, F Murtz wrote: On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. I also have a bigger MIG with optional stick leads.Could carry it anywhere, up a pole hanging off your belt if you wished. What sort of duty cycle OOI? Cheers, T i m I use 2.4 rods and it seems to go forever,I don't build ships with continuous long welds and I do not suppose it would be suitable,but workshop or field work of weld a bit get another bit of metal and weld a bit more it works easily. |
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On 3/8/20 9:25 pm, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:39:30 +0100, T i m wrote: https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m it is tiny, weighs almost nothing and welds up to 3.2 electrodes with ease I was in the electrical game and back in the day of transformers none of us would have believed it possible what this little inverter does,dc is easier to weld with. What sort of duty cycle OOI? 60% according to the page... and less than £40 from China (+ shipping, tax?). Only comes with matching connectors, no cables/clamps etc. I used the stick lead from my bigger MIG And made an earth from an old jumper lead I had,but you can buy a set of small light leads from bangood fairly cheap. |
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On 31/7/20 7:05 pm, newshound wrote:
On 31/07/2020 09:03, Muddymike wrote: Ive always thought stick welding was a black art. You've now inspired me to buy some rods and try out the the electrode holder that came with my inverter MIG. Mike Start with thinner sticks! They are less sticky. You can get rods here called satincraft which are easy for beginners |
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T i m Wrote in message:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 19:32:27 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Jimk wrote: F Murtz Wrote in message: On 29/7/20 11:29 am, williamwright wrote: On 29/07/2020 02:06, John Rumm wrote: So moral of the story, I wish I had gone for something like it years ago, and I now have a new found respect for IGBT inverter arc welders - they make the whole process quite civilised! Tell me exactly what to buy. Seriously. The welder I bought for £50 in 1976 is beginning to get on my nerves a bit. Bill I got one of these and it is the most amazing thing since sliced bread, https://tinyurl.com/yxe2at3m "The address wasn't understood" (Still) works fine here Jimmy, best ask a grown-up to help you? Cheers, T i m Do you actually know any grown ups D i m m y ? -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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