On 28/07/2020 14:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:16:46 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:12:49 +0100, NY wrote:

It's about the same noise at 100 yards as standing right next to a noisy
fridge. Maybe his sewage works is an early model and more noisy that
modern ones.

The latter. The active systems I've encountered have had noise levels
about that of a fridge when right next to them not 100 yds away.

They are more than just a motorised stirrer, there is a compressor to
bubble air through the contents as well.

So not anaerobic digestion then, unlike traditional septic tanks.
Interesting. Does that speed up the digestion process? I expect it
makes it less smelly.

Both. My Klargester Biodisc is totally smell-less as long as the motor
is turning. Solids and crap seem to break down quickly.

It is rated as no noise, no smell and capable of discharge into a water
course. Runs about 100W continuous IIRC.

I'd say it can do twenty woman years of **** without needing emptying.

The unit costs under £4500 but installation needs a digger and a lot of
concrete.

https://www.tanksforeverything.co.uk...eatment-Plants

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"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
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so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

How do you mean "how far from a public sewer do you have to be these days to
be allowed a septic tank"? Are you saying that if there was a public sewer
running past your house, you would even *want* a septic tank? They are a
solution of last resort when there isn't a sewer nearby.

As regards "how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling?", is the
restriction where the tank is/are, or is it where the outflow is? Is it
legal to have a tank within about 10 feet of part of the house, but the
discharge is about 50 feet away?

"Jimk" wrote in message
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Since our septic tank is under the patio where we sit in the sun,

Cesspit then? Not a septic tank then ?
Unless it has multiple chambers & an outflow to "somewhere"?

Yes, a septic tank. I presume it has multiple chambers.

Aren't there any lids /manholes?

There are several manholes, but I'm not certain which give access to the two
chambers of the septic tank and which are a rodding points to rod the pipes
upstream of the tank. And I'm not about to lift the lids to find out - I
leave that to the "poo fairies" who come to empty the tank and who are paid
to do what must be a very disgusting job.

I still have nightmares about a very sad case I heard of about 50 years ago.
My parents kept their caravan on a farm (the farmer rented land for caravan
owners to leave them there over the winter), and just before we first went
there, the little boy on the farm fell into the septic tank or cess pit and
drowned what must have been a revolting death.

On 28/07/2020 14:49, NY wrote:
"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
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so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a
septic tank..?

How do you mean "how far from a public sewer do you have to be these
days to be allowed a septic tank"? Are you saying that if there was a
public sewer running past your house, you would even *want* a septic
tank? They are a solution of last resort when there isn't a sewer nearby.

As regards "how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling?", is
the restriction where the tank is/are, or is it where the outflow is? Is
it legal to have a tank within about 10 feet of part of the house, but
the discharge is about 50 feet away?

I don't think septic tanks are allowable any more AT ALL.



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On 28/07/2020 14:55, NY wrote:
"Jimk" wrote in message
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Since our septic tank is under the patio where we sit in the sun,

Cesspit then? Not a septic tank then ?
Unless it has multiple chambers & an outflow to "somewhere"?

Yes, a septic tank. I presume it has multiple chambers.

Aren't there any lids /manholes?

There are several manholes, but I'm not certain which give access to the
two chambers of the septic tank and which are a rodding points to rod
the pipes upstream of the tank. And I'm not about to lift the lids to
find out - I leave that to the "poo fairies" who come to empty the tank
and who are paid to do what must be a very disgusting job.

I still have nightmares about a very sad case I heard of about 50 years
ago. My parents kept their caravan on a farm (the farmer rented land for
caravan owners to leave them there over the winter), and just before we
first went there, the little boy on the farm fell into the septic tank
or cess pit and drowned what must have been a revolting death.

Falling into slurry pits (cow ****) has claimed more a few young
lives. The top develops a crust that looks like it is safe to
walk on, but rarely is.

Also, there have been instances where the yard scraper, which is
typically an ancient tractor that probably has dodgy brakes ends
up sliding off the end of the ramp that projects over the slurry
pit and in the blink of an eye ends up upside down in the slurry.

Mortality stats related to farming show that it is still one of
the most dangerous places to work or live.

On 28/07/2020 14:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/07/2020 14:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:16:46 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:12:49 +0100, NY wrote:

It's about the same noise at 100 yards as standing right next to a
noisy
fridge. Maybe his sewage works is an early model and more noisy that
modern ones.

The latter. The active systems I've encountered have had noise levels
about that of a fridge when right next to them not 100 yds away.

They are more than just a motorised stirrer, there is a compressor to
bubble air through the contents as well.

So not anaerobic digestion then, unlike traditional septic tanks.
Interesting. Does that speed up the digestion process? I expect it
makes it less smelly.

Both. My Klargester Biodisc is totally smell-less as long as the motor
is turning. Solids and crap seem to break down quickly.

It is rated as no noise, no smell and capable of discharge into a water
course. Runs about 100W continuous IIRC.

That's 876 Kwhours per year, say £140. Why not use a timer to activate
it during daylight hours, or run it from a solar panel+inverter ?

I'd say it can do twenty woman years of **** without needing emptying.

The unit costs under £4500 but installation needs a digger and a lot of
concrete.

https://www.tanksforeverything.co.uk...eatment-Plants

"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
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so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

in new builds no-one is allowed a septic tank

haven't been for ages

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 28/07/2020 14:49, NY wrote:
"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
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so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

How do you mean "how far from a public sewer do you have to be these days
to be allowed a septic tank"? Are you saying that if there was a public
sewer running past your house, you would even *want* a septic tank? They
are a solution of last resort when there isn't a sewer nearby.

As regards "how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling?", is
the restriction where the tank is/are, or is it where the outflow is? Is
it legal to have a tank within about 10 feet of part of the house, but
the discharge is about 50 feet away?

I don't think septic tanks are allowable any more AT ALL.

They are not allowed to be fitted as a replacement for an old one, or for a
new-build. But if you already have one, you are not required to have it
replaced with a mini sewage works as long as it discharges into a soakaway
and not into a water course. Let's hope that ruling doesn't change,
otherwise we'll be saddled with a large bill.

https://mpcservices.co.uk/2020-septi...ulation-change says "Septic
tanks discharging into a soakaway (subject to compliance with Part H of
Building Regulations) are not affected by 2020 septic tank regulations."

It doesn't mention any difference in regulations between existing and new
discharge, just that if you already or were planning to in a new
installation discharge into a water course, you need the full plant; but if
you already or were planning to in a new installation discharge into a
soakaway, then a septic tank is fine.

Of course that may not be a full and accurate statement of the regs., though
it seems to correspond with
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/general-...-to-the-ground
and related pages.

The gov.uk site says "You must get the sludge that builds up in your septic
tank or small sewage treatment plant removed (desludged) before it exceeds
the maximum capacity. As a minimum, you should have your treatment system
desludged once a year or in line with the manufacturers instructions." I
presume "at a minimum" means "at least as frequently as".


My parents' holiday cottage has a septic tank for the sewage, as have all
the other houses in the village. But the grey water (bath / washing up
water) discharges (via a communal drain) into a nearby stream, which I'm
sure is not allowed...

Funny story: when we bought the cottage, the septic tank had been installed
and was being used, but in the back garden was a large breezeblock-lined
open pit, with a ceramic T piece from a pipe half-way up. It was about
15x10x5 feet. Apparently in the past, someone had installed a cesspit (there
was only one chamber and no outflow) and at some point (hopefully before the
toilet was flushed for the first time!!) they worked out that the exit into
the chamber was *higher* than the toilet. ****, like water, doesn't flow
uphill...


It's just dawned on me why the house with the noisy treatment plant has one:
it's right next to a stream, so even if there was space under the lawn for a
soakaway / discharge field, it would probably be too close to the stream.

The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 28/07/2020 14:27, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:16:46 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:12:49 +0100, NY wrote:

It's about the same noise at 100 yards as standing right next to a noisy
fridge. Maybe his sewage works is an early model and more noisy that
modern ones.

The latter. The active systems I've encountered have had noise levels
about that of a fridge when right next to them not 100 yds away.

They are more than just a motorised stirrer, there is a compressor to
bubble air through the contents as well.

So not anaerobic digestion then, unlike traditional septic tanks.
Interesting. Does that speed up the digestion process? I expect it
makes it less smelly.

Both. My Klargester Biodisc is totally smell-less as long as the motor
is turning. Solids and crap seem to break down quickly.

It is rated as no noise, no smell and capable of discharge into a water
course. Runs about 100W continuous IIRC.

I'd say it can do twenty woman years of **** without needing emptying.

The unit costs under £4500 but installation needs a digger and a lot of
concrete.

Only needed on wet sites it says...

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The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 28/07/2020 12:37, NY wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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How often does a septic tank need to be emptied of solids which don't
fully rot down, even though the majority of the liquid is discharged
(after processing) into a soakaway?

Depends how much **** and how many sanitary towels you put in..

OK. Two adults. No sanitary towels etc - indeed we are careful to abide
by the "if it's not gone through you, don't put it down the loo" rule,
as well as only using washing up liquid, toilet cleaner and dishwasher
tablets which say they are dishwasher-safe.

should get about ten years out of that

Mine only got emptied because :
(a) a toad hibernated in the outflow causing a flood which blew the
motor and
(b) the belt snapped after 15 years

In both cases access was required deep and the engineer didn't want to
wade in ****

In neither case was it brimful of solids


What's the maintenance contract cost? Ballpark will do...
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 12:43:00 PM UTC+1, Andrew wrote:
On 27/07/2020 19:28, april showers wrote:
On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:51:20 PM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/07/2020 17:13, april showers wrote:
Can anyone explain to me in very simple terms what the new septic tank regs are?

I have been looking on you tube and found a site which said all old eptic tanks have to be replaced regardless of how they work.

Then someone said it was fake information. But I cannot find out whats correct and what is not.

Have we all got to spend 15K replacing septic tanks, even when they work perfectly? Really? Why?

You need to have a tank meeting modern regs which is almost always an
active bio-stirrer one IF YOU REPLACE A TANK. But no building reg has
EVER been retrospective.


I am not selling my house. I have no thoughts of same.

I am not replacing the tank at all, as I said it works.

I do not discharge into a ditch or a water course in anyones field or anywhere else. The drainage field runs across my own garden and leaches out . No water course anywhere.

leaches out where ?, and after a winter like the last one, most water
ends up in a water course somewhere.

Nowhere, its a drainage field and a soak away into the middle of my lawn.


So, the You tube stuff doesnt apply then?

You reckon? I dont know. Thats why I asked. The You Tube thing said 90% of septic tanks were illegal and had to be replaced and if you didnt the liklihood was that someone from the council would come and stick a notice on you and cost you even more money.

As I said, my tank is no trouble. It works ( its a 1950's concrete chamber job, never even needs emptying as was the received wisdom of the old days).

I just saw this thing and I couldnt make any sense afterwards. It came up on one of those You Tube algorithms . I dont know why.

april showers wrote:

its a 1950's concrete chamber job

so your system is pre-2014 and pre-1983

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/general-binding-rules-small-sewage-discharge-to-the-ground

On 28/07/2020 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/07/2020 14:49, NY wrote:
"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how
far from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a
septic tank..?

How do you mean "how far from a public sewer do you have to be these
days to be allowed a septic tank"? Are you saying that if there was a
public sewer running past your house, you would even *want* a septic
tank? They are a solution of last resort when there isn't a sewer nearby.

As regards "how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling?",
is the restriction where the tank is/are, or is it where the outflow
is? Is it legal to have a tank within about 10 feet of part of the
house, but the discharge is about 50 feet away?

I don't think septic tanks are allowable any more AT ALL.



and what about ashpits and dungsteds ?

tim... wrote:

"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

in new builds no-one is allowed a septic tank

haven't been for ages


They put a new one in next door but one to us only about fiive years
ago, and it ils less than 200m from a stream. Planning permissiion was
probably a few years before that, though.

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On 28/07/2020 18:51, Roger Hayter wrote:
tim... wrote:

"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
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so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

in new builds no-one is allowed a septic tank

haven't been for ages


They put a new one in next door but one to us only about fiive years
ago, and it ils less than 200m from a stream. Planning permissiion was
probably a few years before that, though.

Hoe do you know it was a septic tank?


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 28/07/2020 18:51, Roger Hayter wrote:
tim... wrote:

"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

in new builds no-one is allowed a septic tank

haven't been for ages


They put a new one in next door but one to us only about fiive years
ago, and it ils less than 200m from a stream. Planning permissiion was
probably a few years before that, though.

Hoe do you know it was a septic tank?

Big, bottle-shaped fibreglass tank with a long, wide neck and a side
tube. Didn't look like a biodigester, but, no, I don't know.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 28/07/2020 18:51, Roger Hayter wrote:
tim... wrote:

"Jim GM4 DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
so...how far does a septic tank have to be from a dwelling and how far
from a public sewer do you have to be these days to be allowed a septic
tank..?

in new builds no-one is allowed a septic tank

haven't been for ages


They put a new one in next door but one to us only about fiive years
ago, and it ils less than 200m from a stream. Planning permissiion was
probably a few years before that, though.

Hoe do you know it was a septic tank?

Big, bottle-shaped fibreglass tank with a long, wide neck and a side
tube. Didn't look like a biodigester, but, no, I don't know.


Sounds like a septic to me....
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