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We have a low-lying, boggy garden with a stream running through it. Come
the lockdown and Lady Goss-Custard decided to have a pond. So we got a guy in with a mini JCB and he dug a hole about 5.5m by 3.3m by 1m deep. There is about nine inches depth of topsoil, below that it is all solid yellow clay. Having dug the pond, we ordered the butyl liner, only to find it would take a couple of weeks to arrive. A few days after the digging, and before the liner arrived, the rain absolutely chucked it down for a couple of days, so that the surface run-off filled the pond almost to the top. The level has stayed steady ever since, two weeks now. In the meantime the liner has arrived. The dilemma is now: Do we leave the pond as it is, without a liner, on the assumption that it will stay full of water and the walls will not collapse? Or should we pump all the water out, put the liner in and pump water back in to fill it up again - which we foresee will be a very dirty and unpleasant job now that everything is sodden? If we do put the liner in and refill, what will happen in the next downpour - will rainwater get in behind the liner and balloon it inwards into the pond? -- Algernon |
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On 30/06/20 18:14, Algernon Goss-Custard wrote:
We have a low-lying, boggy garden with a stream running through it. Come the lockdown and Lady Goss-Custard decided to have a pond. So we got a guy in with a mini JCB and he dug a hole about 5.5m by 3.3m by 1m deep. There is about nine inches depth of topsoil, below that it is all solid yellow clay. Having dug the pond, we ordered the butyl liner, only to find it would take a couple of weeks to arrive. A few days after the digging, and before the liner arrived, the rain absolutely chucked it down for a couple of days, so that the surface run-off filled the pond almost to the top. The level has stayed steady ever since, two weeks now. In the meantime the liner has arrived. The dilemma is now: Do we leave the pond as it is, without a liner, on the assumption that it will stay full of water and the walls will not collapse? Or should we pump all the water out, put the liner in and pump water back in to fill it up again - which we foresee will be a very dirty and unpleasant job now that everything is sodden? If we do put the liner in and refill, what will happen in the next downpour - will rainwater get in behind the liner and balloon it inwards into the pond? You don't just put the butyl liner in the excavated earth. You need make sure you've removed any sharp objects - particularly stones - which could pierce the butyl liner. Then you need to line the "hole" with sand or layers of something else several cm thick. That guards against any sharp objects you have missed. More information he http://www.pondexpert.co.uk/fittingandfillingaliner.html So you will have to pump out the pond anyway before fitting the liner. Once the lined pond is full of water, it won't make any difference if rainwater gets behind the liner as the pressure inside and out will be equal. -- Jeff |
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 18:31:18 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 30/06/20 18:14, Algernon Goss-Custard wrote: snip You don't just put the butyl liner in the excavated earth. You need make sure you've removed any sharp objects - particularly stones - which could pierce the butyl liner. Then you need to line the "hole" with sand or layers of something else several cm thick. That guards against any sharp objects you have missed. More information he http://www.pondexpert.co.uk/fittingandfillingaliner.html So you will have to pump out the pond anyway before fitting the liner. Once the lined pond is full of water, it won't make any difference if rainwater gets behind the liner as the pressure inside and out will be equal. Old carpet is a good way to line a pond and protect the butyl liner. As Brian has already said, 1 metre isn't that deep but with luck it will be deep enough to prevent the water freezing all the way to the bottom in a harsh winter. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 30/06/2020 18:31, Jeff Layman wrote:
Once the lined pond is full of water, it won't make any difference if rainwater gets behind the liner as the pressure inside and out will be equal. Our rather badly made pond gets water behind the liner. On occasion there have been big bulges, which is a PITA because once the ground water has dropped - which doesn't usually take more than a few weeks - the pond is only half full. Despite all the rain. Andy -- Redoing it is on the must do that one day list. |
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On 30/06/2020 22:01, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 30/06/2020 18:31, Jeff Layman wrote: Once the lined pond is full of water, it won't make any difference if rainwater gets behind the liner as the pressure inside and out will be equal. Our rather badly made pond gets water behind the liner. On occasion there have been big bulges, which is a PITA because once the ground water has dropped - which doesn't usually take more than a few weeks - the pond is only half full. Despite all the rain. Andy If the subsoil is heavy clay then the trick is to 'wipe' some of the excess clay up the sides to cover the topsoil and don't use a manmade liner. This is how reservoirs and canals were lined by the Victorians. Just keep it topped up in hot weather to prevent exposed clay drying out and shrinking. Planting the usual bog plants around the edges helps to keep sun off the clay just above water line. Putting a liner on top of heavy clay runs the risk of water getting betwen the liner and the clay. |
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On 05/07/2020 12:44, Andrew wrote:
On 30/06/2020 22:01, Vir Campestris wrote: On 30/06/2020 18:31, Jeff Layman wrote: Once the lined pond is full of water, it won't make any difference if rainwater gets behind the liner as the pressure inside and out will be equal. Our rather badly made pond gets water behind the liner. On occasion there have been big bulges, which is a PITA because once the ground water has dropped - which doesn't usually take more than a few weeks - the pond is only half full. Despite all the rain. Andy If the subsoil is heavy clay then the trick is to 'wipe' some of the excess clay up the sides to cover the topsoil and don't use a manmade liner. This is how reservoirs and canals were lined by the Victorians. Just keep it topped up in hot weather to prevent exposed clay drying out and shrinking. Planting the usual bog plants around the edges helps to keep sun off the clay just above water line. Putting a liner on top of heavy clay runs the risk of water getting betwen the liner and the clay. On my job list is to remove the liner and dig it deeper. As we have four species of amphibian breeding in it timing is a bit interesting... Andy |
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On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 18:14:32 UTC+1, Algernon Goss-Custard wrote:
We have a low-lying, boggy garden with a stream running through it. Come the lockdown and Lady Goss-Custard decided to have a pond. So we got a guy in with a mini JCB and he dug a hole about 5.5m by 3.3m by 1m deep. There is about nine inches depth of topsoil, below that it is all solid yellow clay. Having dug the pond, we ordered the butyl liner, only to find it would take a couple of weeks to arrive. A few days after the digging, and before the liner arrived, the rain absolutely chucked it down for a couple of days, so that the surface run-off filled the pond almost to the top. The level has stayed steady ever since, two weeks now. In the meantime the liner has arrived. The dilemma is now: Do we leave the pond as it is, without a liner, on the assumption that it will stay full of water and the walls will not collapse? Or should we pump all the water out, put the liner in and pump water back in to fill it up again - which we foresee will be a very dirty and unpleasant job now that everything is sodden? If we do put the liner in and refill, what will happen in the next downpour - will rainwater get in behind the liner and balloon it inwards into the pond? Many ponds are clay lined. The use of plastic/rubber liners is a modernish phenomenon NT |
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On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 18:14:32 UTC+1, Algernon Goss-Custard wrote:
We have a low-lying, boggy garden with a stream running through it. Come the lockdown and Lady Goss-Custard decided to have a pond. So we got a guy in with a mini JCB and he dug a hole about 5.5m by 3.3m by 1m deep. There is about nine inches depth of topsoil, below that it is all solid yellow clay. Having dug the pond, we ordered the butyl liner, only to find it would take a couple of weeks to arrive. A few days after the digging, and before the liner arrived, the rain absolutely chucked it down for a couple of days, so that the surface run-off filled the pond almost to the top. The level has stayed steady ever since, two weeks now. In the meantime the liner has arrived. The dilemma is now: Do we leave the pond as it is, without a liner, on the assumption that it will stay full of water and the walls will not collapse? Or should we pump all the water out, put the liner in and pump water back in to fill it up again - which we foresee will be a very dirty and unpleasant job now that everything is sodden? If we do put the liner in and refill, what will happen in the next downpour - will rainwater get in behind the liner and balloon it inwards into the pond? If there is ground water, it may need to be drained away ie a permanent drain under the liner. Water under the liner causes it to lift away from the ground. You need to make sure there are no sharp object to pierce the liner plus you need a "woolly" subliner to protect the liner. Some people use old carpets. It's a good ie to position any off cuts round the edge above the water level to protect the liner from UV. Esp the South facing edge ie the bit that catches the sun. Our liner is about 20 yrs old but there is now a slight leak somewhere close to the waterline. Can't find it. |
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