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Default Newsnight and ventilators.

Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and all
the other help they need - since they already have a design known to work
and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview with
someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had that.
Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted to hear.
And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.

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On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and all
the other help they need - since they already have a design known to work
and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview with
someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had that.
Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted to hear.
And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.


Dyson are already on the way for the production of 10,000 ventilators.
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:00:35 +0000, Andy Bennet
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On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could,


snip

Including many suppliers in Europe and some in China. ;-(

Cheers, T i m


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In article , Andy Bennet
wrote:
On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had
little or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were
ramping up production as fast as they could, including investing large
sums of their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made
in house or locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and
all the other help they need - since they already have a design known
to work and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview
with someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had
that. Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted
to hear. And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.


Dyson are already on the way for the production of 10,000 ventilators.


Erm, they have an order for 10,000.

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Default Newsnight and ventilators.

On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and all
the other help they need - since they already have a design known to work
and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview with
someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had that.
Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted to hear.
And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.

Yes, I'm surprised that the owners of IPR for an existing design haven't
been asked to grant a licence to other manufacturers for the duration of
the "emergency". Why re-invent wheels?


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Default Newsnight and ventilators.

On Thursday, 26 March 2020 15:00:38 UTC, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and all
the other help they need - since they already have a design known to work
and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview with
someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had that.
Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted to hear.
And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.


Dyson are already on the way for the production of 10,000 ventilators.


Even if they had 10,000 already made, they cannot be used until the design has been proved.
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Thursday, 26 March 2020 15:00:38 UTC, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and all
the other help they need - since they already have a design known to work
and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview with
someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had that.
Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted to hear.
And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.


Dyson are already on the way for the production of 10,000 ventilators.


Even if they had 10,000 already made, they cannot be used until the design has been proved.


Could this not be overcome by emergency powers (or even consent)? If
I were given a choice of no ventilator or the opportunity to test a
ventilator I know what I would choose.
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On 26/03/2020 15:47, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:39:29 +0000, nothanks wrote:

On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had
little or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were
ramping up production as fast as they could, including investing large
sums of their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made
in house or locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and
all the other help they need - since they already have a design known
to work and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview
with someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had
that. Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted
to hear. And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.

Yes, I'm surprised that the owners of IPR for an existing design haven't
been asked to grant a licence to other manufacturers for the duration of
the "emergency". Why re-invent wheels?


There were some Italians who worked out how to 3D print an essential part
of a ventilator, until they were served with a cease-and-desist from the
patent holders.

https://www.medicaldevice-network.co...lves-covid-19-
italy/

Staggering! I rather wish I hadn't found out about that.
An interesting quote "the original part retails at around $11,000 and
the 3D-printed parts cost just $1 to make"
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On 26/03/2020 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.


AIUI his company doesn't make ventilators as such but does supply parts
to those who do (as well as supply lots of other medical equipment).

As so often, it's difficult to know what to make of it. I thought it
was a pity Maitlis was so keen in building a case against HMG that she
didn't ask him why he had waited to hear from government and hadn't just
got in touch with a partner firm that he knew could ramp up supplies.
The one thing I do know with c. 99.99 per cent confidence is that if
there was a cock-up in not getting back to the firm it won't have been a
Minister who failed to email/phone them, but that won't stop search for
a gotcha question..


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On Thursday, 26 March 2020 14:58:22 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Slightly more on topic for this group.

Newsnight had a bit on ventilator production last night. Including an
interesting interview with an actual maker. Who sadly said he'd had little
or no contact from the government, but he and his suppliers were ramping
up production as fast as they could, including investing large sums of
their own money. But as with all such things, some parts made in house or
locally, some imported.

It would seem to me you'd approach an existing maker and give them the
authority to get bits made by larger manufacturers like Dyson etc and all
the other help they need - since they already have a design known to work
and approved and all the drawings, etc.

Rather like they did with Jeeps, army trucks and some RR engines etc
during WW2

The idea of going to someone like Dyson might be fine if time wasn't of
the essence.

The Newsnight piece was very unusual in that there was an interview with
someone in the cabinet. Can't remember the last time Newsnight had that.
Nadhim Zahawi. Who only wanted to answer the questions he wanted to hear.
And Maitlis who only wanted to score points, as usual.



There are lots of different sorts of ventilators.
Basic ones are very simple.


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