what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
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what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for use
on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.

Are they even allowed to ?

One of the ones on Grand Designs on the Thames bank
was designed to float. Not cheap to do it that way tho.

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what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for use
on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

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NO, but I see no reason why we do not put them on stilts. There have been
some blocks of flats with car parking underneath, which have escaped
floating though the foundations of these have gone down a very long way.
Yes the floating house has a life expectancy issue.
They wanted to build houses on a floating raft near Kingston Upon Thames on
a wetland, but were refused due to it being a much needed wetland for
wildlife and a feeding ground for bats. The area was actually owned by
Thames Water.
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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.

Are they even allowed to ?

One of the ones on Grand Designs on the Thames bank
was designed to float. Not cheap to do it that way tho.

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what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them
.....

On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

SteveW

On Sunday, 1 March 2020 23:05:27 UTC, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

SteveW

Would it not be sensible to corrugate the land before building on it, so there are low lying areas for roads & high ridges for houses?
And then if necessary do as newshound describes.
It's part M that's causing the problem, and a lack of requirement to sort the land levels before building.
Another possibility is to build medium rise, only the bottom floor is then vulnerable, the rest aren't.


NT

I think I'd be able to cope with houses on stilts. Its very silly at the
moment since if we are talking wheelchairs, many new builds are inaccessible
still, due to insufficient turn space inside.
There is a scandal about homes for disabled people, whereby builders have to
provide x percentage, and then advertise them for six months. What tends to
happen is one is fitted out but the advertising is very low key, very few
are taken so the builder say we have x left over can we fit them out as
normal flats.
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On Sunday, 1 March 2020 23:05:27 UTC, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

SteveW

Would it not be sensible to corrugate the land before building on it, so
there are low lying areas for roads & high ridges for houses?
And then if necessary do as newshound describes.
It's part M that's causing the problem, and a lack of requirement to sort
the land levels before building.
Another possibility is to build medium rise, only the bottom floor is then
vulnerable, the rest aren't.


NT

In Holland, they have built houses on reclaimed 'land' that is just an
inland lake whose level can rise and fall. The houses all sit on
floating pontoons so they are just like 2-story versions of canal
barges, but fully connected to mains utilities.

Andrew


On 02/03/2020 08:08, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I think I'd be able to cope with houses on stilts. Its very silly at the
moment since if we are talking wheelchairs, many new builds are inaccessible
still, due to insufficient turn space inside.
There is a scandal about homes for disabled people, whereby builders have to
provide x percentage, and then advertise them for six months. What tends to
happen is one is fitted out but the advertising is very low key, very few
are taken so the builder say we have x left over can we fit them out as
normal flats.
Brian

On 02/03/2020 08:08, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I think I'd be able to cope with houses on stilts. Its very silly at the
moment since if we are talking wheelchairs, many new builds are inaccessible
still, due to insufficient turn space inside.
There is a scandal about homes for disabled people, whereby builders have to
provide x percentage, and then advertise them for six months. What tends to
happen is one is fitted out but the advertising is very low key, very few
are taken so the builder say we have x left over can we fit them out as
normal flats.

I'd suggest that we scrap most of the requirements of part M, but
provide adequate funds for providing the adaptations that people need.
No two people with disabilities will have the same need, so why try and
cater for them all with prescriptive rules?

SteveW

On 02/03/2020 10:41, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 08:08:23 +0000, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

There is a scandal about homes for disabled people, whereby builders
have to provide x percentage, and then advertise them for six months.
What tends to happen is one is fitted out but the advertising is very
low key,
very few are taken so the builder say we have x left over can we fit
them out as normal flats.

They're not even that subtle. When SWMBO and I looked at new builds (TL;DR
is they really are ****, aren't they) at least 3 of the 10 sites we
visited had pea-shingle car parks it was impossible to cross in a
wheelchair.

All that summer did was confirm that a 1440sq. ft. bungalow in 5,000sq.
ft. land is like a unicorn. Especially with it's level access (I built)
front and rear.

Precisely. All the 'social legislation' is complete ****e.

Every single disabled person I know who needs a wheelchair has spent
tens of thousands modifying their house so they can actually use them
despite them being built to the latest regs, simply because there is no
one size fits all disability.

Instead of requiring all builds to be to a given standard it would
actually be far more useful if there was a hypothecated tax on new
builds that went to a fund to be handed out to the disabled to adapt
their residence of choice.



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On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live there.

Having built a house, and landscaped a garden, moving earth around is
not that big a deal

you could make a huge lake and use the spoil to build berms and pop the
houses on top.



SteveW




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They would probably wash away however. Floods are not benign, they often
contain debris and are fast running.
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On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live there.

Having built a house, and landscaped a garden, moving earth around is not
that big a deal

you could make a huge lake and use the spoil to build berms and pop the
houses on top.



SteveW




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On Monday, 2 March 2020 03:03:29 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:

I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live there.

people become disabled as they get old, lack of wheelchair access is a real & mostly unnecessary problem. But it still beats no houses. Regs could include exception situations. A ramp on a block of flats cuts cost per unit a lot.


Having built a house, and landscaped a garden, moving earth around is
not that big a deal

you could make a huge lake and use the spoil to build berms and pop the
houses on top.

I think PP should not be given to development plans that will obviously flood living areas. There are ways to avoid the problem, and no sensible reason to build houses that way.


NT

On 02/03/2020 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:03:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live
there.

The problem with a statement like this, is that is gives the impression
the **** writing it has never considered that someone can become
"disabled" in the blink of an eye.

So they move somewhere more suitable. What's the issue ?.

Why should every new house have to have those silly ramps at the
front entrance when the vast majority of properties will never be
occupied by someone in a wheelchair ?.

Scrap part M, and replace it with a small levy on every new build,
along the lines of S106, and allow LA's to hand out grants for
alterations to those properties where an occupant suddenly needs
it, without any conditions like "More than 16K savings etc". Base
it on need only. Let the LA impose a charge on the property if
necessary so that on death or relocation the money can be
recovered by the LA.

If an owner occupier suddenly becomes bed-ridden then even a
new build complying with Part M is no use.


I'm sure that's not the case here though.

On 02/03/2020 10:55, Andrew wrote:
On 02/03/2020 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:03:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â*Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live
there.

The problem with a statement like this, is that is gives the impression
the **** writing it has never considered that someone can become
"disabled" in the blink of an eye.

So they move somewhere more suitable. What's the issue ?.

Why should every new house have to have those silly ramps at the
front entrance when the vast majority of properties will never be
occupied by someone in a wheelchair ?.

Scrap part M, and replace it with a small levy on every new build,
along the lines of S106, and allow LA's to hand out grants for
alterations to those properties where an occupant suddenly needs
it, without any conditions like "More than 16K savings etc". Base
it on need only. Let the LA impose a charge on the property if
necessary so that on death or relocation the money can be
recovered by the LA.

If an owner occupier suddenly becomes bed-ridden then even a
new build complying with Part M is no use.


I'm all for flexibility if it saves money but am unclear how that would
work for disabled people who need to rent somewhere to live.


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On Monday, 2 March 2020 10:55:26 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 02/03/2020 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:03:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live
there.

The problem with a statement like this, is that is gives the impression
the **** writing it has never considered that someone can become
"disabled" in the blink of an eye.

So they move somewhere more suitable. What's the issue ?.

it's quite a problem for old folk that get ill to up sticks & move. Lot easier for younger folk that aren't disabled.


Why should every new house have to have those silly ramps at the
front entrance when the vast majority of properties will never be
occupied by someone in a wheelchair ?.

Scrap part M, and replace it with a small levy on every new build,
along the lines of S106, and allow LA's to hand out grants for
alterations to those properties where an occupant suddenly needs
it, without any conditions like "More than 16K savings etc". Base
it on need only. Let the LA impose a charge on the property if
necessary so that on death or relocation the money can be
recovered by the LA.

If an owner occupier suddenly becomes bed-ridden then even a
new build complying with Part M is no use.

It seems there are several possible solutions. Why not let the developer choose which one? The current requirement is plainly not working on flood plains.


NT

On 02/03/2020 10:37, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 03:03:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Ramps, or simply say that disabled people should not visit or live
there.

The problem with a statement like this, is that is gives the impression
the **** writing it has never considered that someone can become
"disabled" in the blink of an eye.
The problem with a statement like this, is that is gives the impression
the **** writing it has never considered ambulances, stretchers and
estate agents


I'm sure that's not the case here though.



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Well not knowing what that is without looking it up..
However it is done in other countries.
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On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

SteveW

On 01/03/2020 23:05, Steve Walker wrote:
On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Â* Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

SteveW


yes but sacraficial ground stories came before the access requierments
and can't quite remember as I have been retired 10 years, but if you
have no accomodation on the ground floor you don't need level access...?

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On 01/03/2020 20:27, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

While it makes sense from a flood point of view, it does rather cause a
problem with the level access requirements of Part M.

Floating ones as in that Grand Designs?

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I often wonder why nobody builds houses on stilts these days.
Brian

Or with a watertight hull.
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On 01/03/2020 19:00, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

I always thought the Canadians had the right idea: ground floor is
concrete with built-in drains, just used for utility rooms, workshops,
gyms, showers, garages, etc.

On Sunday, 1 March 2020 21:51:41 UTC, newshound wrote:
On 01/03/2020 19:00, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

I always thought the Canadians had the right idea: ground floor is
concrete with built-in drains, just used for utility rooms, workshops,
gyms, showers, garages, etc.

Where do you put your car if it floods?

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On Sunday, 1 March 2020 21:51:41 UTC, newshound wrote:
On 01/03/2020 19:00, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them
.....

I always thought the Canadians had the right idea: ground floor is
concrete with built-in drains, just used for utility rooms, workshops,
gyms, showers, garages, etc.

Where do you put your car if it floods?

On higher ground until the water goes down.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Where do you put your car if it floods?

On higher ground until the water goes down.

What does it take to make you shut your senile big gob, senile Rodent? A
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What does it take to make you shut your senile big gob, senile Rodent? A
baseball bat across it?

maybe the same as what it would take for you to shut yours

On Sunday, 1 March 2020 19:00:51 UTC, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

There's plenty on the Severn flood plain. Not with stilts but an above ground basement.

On Sunday, 1 March 2020 19:00:51 UTC, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
what happened to all those three storey houses we used to approve for
use on flood planes with the sacraficial ground floors....are they just
quietly doing there jobs or what ?...you don't hear much about them .....

I think they still have them it's just now they are called affordable homes.
Which always seem to be on the ground floor of new developments.