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On 11/02/2020 20:12, ARW wrote:
On 11/02/2020 08:08, Chris J Dixon wrote: polygonum_on_google wrote: On Monday, 10 February 2020 20:00:52 UTC, Chris J DixonÂ* wrote: I now find it hard to believe that I regularly did the run from Barnsley to Manchester, over Woodhead Pass, on a Honda 50. There were occasions when I had to resort to 1st gear in order to battle against the wind whilst actually going downhill. I recall that I had ample opportunity to contemplate the newly installed Armco barriers, put in place after somebody significant (MP?) had gone over the edge. For me, it would simply mean that it would break my leg before I plummeted, head first. I'm sure it was nowhere near as exposed as that, https://goo.gl/maps/1BHJP4F63nw1XtMj9 Now the strips are white. I am sure they were red when the Armco was on my left on the way out to Manchester. Likely dual sided reflective markings. They stick out from the barriers like little flags with red on one side and white on the other. They look like stripes when you drive past - red to mark the left hand edge of a road as usual. I expect your Fiat will give you a chance to examine them i.d.c. as you stand behind the Armco waiting for the recovery -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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ARW wrote:
Now the strips are white. I am sure they were red when the Armco was on my left on the way out to Manchester. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqOX4VvIL0o Perhaps they are cleverly arranged to show red on the left and white on the right? Which would be correct. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Chris J Dixon wrote: Mondeo - if you leave the wiper controls in any operating position, they will resume when you turn on. Would you normally leave the wipers on when you switch off - except for perhaps the auto setting? Mine are generally left on auto. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:00:32 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Rain was so heavy yesterday afternoon in London, some of the traffic pulled in and stopped. Well I guess if you never have to use the wipers you don't know where the switch is. B-) I thought posh cars automatically turned them on. You still have to select this after starting. To prevent them working when you don't expect it. Not necessarily. Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Hope that car never goes through an auto car wash. ;-) No need the rain and gale force winds keep it clean. Anyway one would soon switch 'em off, well before the rollers got anywhere near the screen/wipers. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) -- *I didn't like my beard at first. Then it grew on me.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:15:51 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) When in auto they only wipe when the "rain" sensor in conjuction with an adjustable sensitivity control say so. Works very well nearly all the time, ie it wipes in light rain marginally before I think "must wipe the screen". Also automatically wipes the spray from an oncoming vehicle or splash from a big puddle, using anything from a single wipe to flat out. I rarely ever use anything but off and auto and off is only to avoid occasional unexpected wipes. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 12/02/2020 12:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:15:51 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) When in auto they only wipe when the "rain" sensor in conjuction with an adjustable sensitivity control say so. Works very well nearly all the time, ie it wipes in light rain marginally before I think "must wipe the screen". Also automatically wipes the spray from an oncoming vehicle or splash from a big puddle, using anything from a single wipe to flat out. I rarely ever use anything but off and auto and off is only to avoid occasional unexpected wipes. Same on my XF except it is not that happy to start like that from cold. Sometimes I reset it to 'auto' to force the mode. -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:15:51 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) When in auto they only wipe when the "rain" sensor in conjuction with an adjustable sensitivity control say so. Works very well nearly all the time, ie it wipes in light rain marginally before I think "must wipe the screen". Also automatically wipes the spray from an oncoming vehicle or splash from a big puddle, using anything from a single wipe to flat out. I rarely ever use anything but off and auto and off is only to avoid occasional unexpected wipes. Ah - neither of mine was very recent. Last one on an 2011 car. And it never seemed to do exactly as I wanted despite fiddling with the sensitivity control. Only thing did find great was it changing automatically from normal slow speed to auto when you came to a halt, as in traffic. -- *Fax is stronger than fiction * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: When in auto they only wipe when the "rain" sensor in conjuction with an adjustable sensitivity control say so. Works very well nearly all the time, ie it wipes in light rain marginally before I think "must wipe the screen". Also automatically wipes the spray from an oncoming vehicle or splash from a big puddle, using anything from a single wipe to flat out. I rarely ever use anything but off and auto and off is only to avoid occasional unexpected wipes. Same on my XF except it is not that happy to start like that from cold. Sometimes I reset it to 'auto' to force the mode. What I'm talking about? Only works from a cold start when reset? Covered in the handbook? -- *Of course I'm against sin; I'm against anything that I'm too old to enjoy. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after youve turned the ignition off. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 12/02/2020 14:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:15:51 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) When in auto they only wipe when the "rain" sensor in conjuction with an adjustable sensitivity control say so. Works very well nearly all the time, ie it wipes in light rain marginally before I think "must wipe the screen". Also automatically wipes the spray from an oncoming vehicle or splash from a big puddle, using anything from a single wipe to flat out. I rarely ever use anything but off and auto and off is only to avoid occasional unexpected wipes. Ah - neither of mine was very recent. Last one on an 2011 car. And it never seemed to do exactly as I wanted despite fiddling with the sensitivity control. Only thing did find great was it changing automatically from normal slow speed to auto when you came to a halt, as in traffic. The Fiat switches to intermittent the wipers are running at normal speed when you stop and if in intermittent mode they turn to off when you stop. No matter the setting of the wipers they will not move after an engine restart until you touch the stalk. Although sometimes you have to put your foot on the brake to stop the wipers after you have turned the engine off:-) ISTR that's usually on Wednesdays. -- Adam |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) I managed to do it yesterday. I stopped at home with the wipers on intermittent and had them move on a dry screen the next day when I went out again yesterday. |
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On 12/02/2020 11:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) I used to switch off with them vertical when in a car wash, but my current and previous car both park(ed) the wipers when switching the ignition off. SteveW |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On 12/02/2020 11:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) I used to switch off with them vertical when in a car wash, but my current and previous car both park(ed) the wipers when switching the ignition off. Many cars have a service parking position that parks the wipers vertically for blade changes. On our Yeti (and I bet all VW/Audi/etc variants), you flick the wiper stalk within a few seconds of turning the ignition off. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 06:18:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I managed to do it yesterday. NOBODY gives a ****, senile cretin! -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:13 +0000, Steve Walker wrote:
I used to switch off with them vertical when in a car wash, but my current and previous car both park(ed) the wipers when switching the ignition off. Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me ÂŁ1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Bob Eager wrote:
Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On 12/02/2020 19:48, Tim+ wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: On 12/02/2020 11:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) I used to switch off with them vertical when in a car wash, but my current and previous car both park(ed) the wipers when switching the ignition off. Many cars have a service parking position that parks the wipers vertically for blade changes. On our Yeti (and I bet all VW/Audi/etc variants), you flick the wiper stalk within a few seconds of turning the ignition off. Probably only for those cars where the normal park position is below bonnet height though? SteveW |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:18:23 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Because when the ignition is off, the steering locks. No key to remove, which is the normal mechanism for a steering lock. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me ÂŁ1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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, Tim+ writes Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after youve turned the ignition off. Tim Such innovation obviously hadn't reached LR Defender by 2010. -- bert |
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On 12 Feb 2020 22:26:53 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Because when the ignition is off, the steering locks. No key to remove, which is the normal mechanism for a steering lock. Why is the steering lock a problem? Quite possibly car washes have moved on since the last time I used one... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:21:54 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On 12 Feb 2020 22:26:53 GMT, Bob Eager wrote: Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Because when the ignition is off, the steering locks. No key to remove, which is the normal mechanism for a steering lock. Why is the steering lock a problem? Quite possibly car washes have moved on since the last time I used one... Unless the vehicle is driven into the track *absolutely* straight, the rear wheel doesn't follow into the track (there's only a track on one side). In practice, the vehicle needs to pivot a bit round the front wheel that's in the track. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me ÂŁ1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:21:54 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: On 12 Feb 2020 22:26:53 GMT, Bob Eager wrote: Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Because when the ignition is off, the steering locks. No key to remove, which is the normal mechanism for a steering lock. Why is the steering lock a problem? Quite possibly car washes have moved on since the last time I used one... Unless the vehicle is driven into the track *absolutely* straight, the rear wheel doesn't follow into the track (there's only a track on one side). In practice, the vehicle needs to pivot a bit round the front wheel that's in the track. That doesn't sound anything like a car wash I have been in. Any links? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:58:33 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:21:54 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote: On 12 Feb 2020 22:26:53 GMT, Bob Eager wrote: Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Because when the ignition is off, the steering locks. No key to remove, which is the normal mechanism for a steering lock. Why is the steering lock a problem? Quite possibly car washes have moved on since the last time I used one... Unless the vehicle is driven into the track *absolutely* straight, the rear wheel doesn't follow into the track (there's only a track on one side). In practice, the vehicle needs to pivot a bit round the front wheel that's in the track. That doesn't sound anything like a car wash I have been in. Any links? Here's a video, but you don't really see the track: https://youtu.be/DkGL5eCNbxM Here's a promotional one, watch from 4:00 - https://youtu.be/_Gn2MGF_sDc -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me ÂŁ1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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, Tim+ wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after youve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) -- *Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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ARW wrote: Ah - neither of mine was very recent. Last one on an 2011 car. And it never seemed to do exactly as I wanted despite fiddling with the sensitivity control. Only thing did find great was it changing automatically from normal slow speed to auto when you came to a halt, as in traffic. The Fiat switches to intermittent the wipers are running at normal speed when you stop and if in intermittent mode they turn to off when you stop. No matter the setting of the wipers they will not move after an engine restart until you touch the stalk. That seems to me the sensible way. Prevents them triggering when you may not want them to. -- *If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: On 12 Feb 2020 22:26:53 GMT, Bob Eager wrote: Problem now is that car washes (well, the ones I use) tell you to keep the engine running for keyless ignition. I can't quite see why they would do that. Because when the ignition is off, the steering locks. No key to remove, which is the normal mechanism for a steering lock. Why is the steering lock a problem? Quite possibly car washes have moved on since the last time I used one... Some types of car wash pull the car through the brushes rather than the brushes moving past the car. Although I've not seen those for a while. Not that I ever use an auto car wash these days anyway. They all scratch the paint to a greater or lesser degree. And put bl**dy wax on the screen. -- *Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Tim+ wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after youve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) I had it once years ago, possibly Peugeot 505; I don't think it was my Cortina -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:58:33 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: That doesn't sound anything like a car wash I have been in. Any links? Here's a video, but you don't really see the track: https://youtu.be/DkGL5eCNbxM Here's a promotional one, watch from 4:00 - https://youtu.be/_Gn2MGF_sDc OK I understand. I can see they can shift far more than the old moving arch type, but need staff in attendance. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:40:05 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:58:33 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: That doesn't sound anything like a car wash I have been in. Any links? Here's a video, but you don't really see the track: https://youtu.be/DkGL5eCNbxM Here's a promotional one, watch from 4:00 - https://youtu.be/_Gn2MGF_sDc OK I understand. I can see they can shift far more than the old moving arch type, but need staff in attendance. Indeed. Typically just two staff, and they do the pre-wash, wheels etc. as well. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me ÂŁ1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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bert wrote: In article , Tim+ writes Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after youve turned the ignition off. Tim Such innovation obviously hadn't reached LR Defender by 2010. I'd not be happy with such an arrangement. If the wipers jammed or stalled, there would be no easy way of stopping the volts to the motor. Which could burn out and even cause a fire (unlikely). -- -- *Why is it that doctors call what they do "practice"? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 13/02/2020 10:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , ARW wrote: Ah - neither of mine was very recent. Last one on an 2011 car. And it never seemed to do exactly as I wanted despite fiddling with the sensitivity control. Only thing did find great was it changing automatically from normal slow speed to auto when you came to a halt, as in traffic. The Fiat switches to intermittent the wipers are running at normal speed when you stop and if in intermittent mode they turn to off when you stop. No matter the setting of the wipers they will not move after an engine restart until you touch the stalk. That seems to me the sensible way. Prevents them triggering when you may not want them to. That would be due to ice in my case last week. -- Adam |
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On 13/02/2020 10:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Tim+ wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: Which model of car has them working when it rains after you start up, with no action by the driver? Freelander II. Wipers stay in the mode selected (off, auto, on, fast). So left in auto they can trigger unexpectedly. Yes. That's why I expected the arrangment on the cars I had with it the norm. H&S often taking precedence over convenience. Although I'd always switch off the wipers before stopping the engine anyway. Unless you like them parked in the middle of the screen. ;-) Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after youve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Definitely on my current car (8 year old Zafira) and my previous one (2005 Focus). SteveW |
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On 13/02/2020 16:04, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". Both my current previous cars will park the wipers if you switch right off - and even remove the key. SteveW |
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On 13/02/2020 23:28, Steve Walker wrote:
On 13/02/2020 16:04, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". Both my current previous cars will park the wipers if you switch right off - and even remove the key. I dont think my car ever switches 'off' The alarm and the locks are alway running and the stuff that detects the smart key. And the interior lights and so on. SteveW -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". Quite. But there will always be makers who think they know better. -- *Home cooking. Where many a man thinks his wife is. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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writes On 13/02/2020 16:04, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". Both my current previous cars will park the wipers if you switch right off - and even remove the key. SteveW Then what did they do with the keys? -- bert |
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writes In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". Quite. But there will always be makers who think they know better. Well in the electronic age they have a new toy to play with and gadgetry seems to be the new L GL GLS badge. -- bert |
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bert wrote: In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article l.net, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:51:02 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Wipers have long had an unswitched power feed to allow parking after you ve turned the ignition off. Really? Again, which makes? I've not had that on any car. But my cars are never new. ;-) Not known the wipers to be on a totaly unswitched feed. "Accessory" position of a traditional ignition key on the other hand. As in "Off", "Accessory", "Run" and "Start". Quite. But there will always be makers who think they know better. Well in the electronic age they have a new toy to play with and gadgetry seems to be the new L GL GLS badge. I'm happy with gadgets. But not when they do something that looks like it could be dangerous to me. -- *When the going gets tough, use duct tape Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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