Should have taken 10 minutes, but took over an hour.

The soft-close seat was not closing softly after almost 6 years of use,
so I got a replacement. One of the nuts holding the old seat fixing
undid fairly easily with the supplied plastic socket. The other one did
not. Using a spanner just resulted in the 70mm-long threaded S/S rod
turning as well, but the top end of the rod was hidden under the round
metal seat fixing on the top of the pan, so I couldn't grip it. A squirt
of WD40 on the nut didn't help.

I decided to use a mole wrench to hold the lower end of the rod while
trying to turn the nut with the spanner. But I was aware that if I
crushed the thread I would not be able to get the nut off the end. But
whatever I used as a pad between the wrench teeth and the thread was not
strong enough to prevent the rod turning with the nut. In the end I
decided to use the wrench without padding, and if the thread was damaged
saw off the rod with a Dremel (there was no room to use a hacksaw). I
got the nut turning without the rod, but then noticed the rod was
slightly out of true. Carefully straightening it allow me to get the nut
off somewhat more easily; fortunately the thread hadn't been damaged by
the mole wrench.

Of course, all this was done in a most awkward position, and with the
knowledge that too much force in the wrong place could lead to an
expensive replacement for the pan!

--

Jeff

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:02:59 +0000, Jeff Layman
wrote:

Should have taken 10 minutes, but took over an hour.

The soft-close seat was not closing softly after almost 6 years of use,
so I got a replacement. One of the nuts holding the old seat fixing
undid fairly easily with the supplied plastic socket. The other one did
not. Using a spanner just resulted in the 70mm-long threaded S/S rod
turning as well, but the top end of the rod was hidden under the round
metal seat fixing on the top of the pan, so I couldn't grip it. A squirt
of WD40 on the nut didn't help.

I decided to use a mole wrench to hold the lower end of the rod while
trying to turn the nut with the spanner. But I was aware that if I
crushed the thread I would not be able to get the nut off the end. But
whatever I used as a pad between the wrench teeth and the thread was not
strong enough to prevent the rod turning with the nut. In the end I
decided to use the wrench without padding, and if the thread was damaged
saw off the rod with a Dremel (there was no room to use a hacksaw). I
got the nut turning without the rod, but then noticed the rod was
slightly out of true. Carefully straightening it allow me to get the nut
off somewhat more easily; fortunately the thread hadn't been damaged by
the mole wrench.

Of course, all this was done in a most awkward position, and with the
knowledge that too much force in the wrong place could lead to an
expensive replacement for the pan!

I usually prefer these types of jobs to the awkward fiddly ones.
--

Mike

On 24/01/2020 15:02, Jeff Layman wrote:

Should have taken 10 minutes, but took over an hour.

The soft-close seat was not closing softly after almost 6 years of use,
so I got a replacement. One of the nuts holding the old seat fixing
undid fairly easily with the supplied plastic socket. The other one did
not. Using a spanner just resulted in the 70mm-long threaded S/S rod
turning as well, but the top end of the rod was hidden under the round
metal seat fixing on the top of the pan, so I couldn't grip it. A squirt
of WD40 on the nut didn't help.

I decided to use a mole wrench to hold the lower end of the rod while
trying to turn the nut with the spanner. But I was aware that if I
crushed the thread I would not be able to get the nut off the end. But
whatever I used as a pad between the wrench teeth and the thread was not
strong enough to prevent the rod turning with the nut. In the end I
decided to use the wrench without padding, and if the thread was damaged
saw off the rod with a Dremel (there was no room to use a hacksaw). I
got the nut turning without the rod, but then noticed the rod was
slightly out of true. Carefully straightening it allow me to get the nut
off somewhat more easily; fortunately the thread hadn't been damaged by
the mole wrench.

Of course, all this was done in a most awkward position, and with the
knowledge that too much force in the wrong place could lead to an
expensive replacement for the pan!

Run two suitable nuts onto the end of the 70mm-long rod, torque one
against the other, then use a spanner or mole grip on them to hold the
rod steady while you loosen the original nut at the top of the thread.

--
Spike

In the Climate Change belief system, only the future is certain,
but the past is constantly being revised....upwards.

On 24/01/20 16:39, Spike wrote:
On 24/01/2020 15:02, Jeff Layman wrote:


Run two suitable nuts onto the end of the 70mm-long rod, torque one
against the other, then use a spanner or mole grip on them to hold the
rod steady while you loosen the original nut at the top of the thread.

Noted for 2026!

--

Jeff

On 24/01/2020 16:45, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/20 16:39, Spike wrote:
On 24/01/2020 15:02, Jeff Layman wrote:


Run two suitable nuts onto the end of the 70mm-long rod, torque one
against the other, then use a spanner or mole grip on them to hold the
rod steady while you loosen the original nut at the top of the thread.

Noted for 2026!



That seems a good solution. Otherwise, would a multi tool do the job?

Yes been there done that. One might have thought by now a standard easy
system that is imune to jamming and bending might be in use the world
over....
Brian

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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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Should have taken 10 minutes, but took over an hour.

The soft-close seat was not closing softly after almost 6 years of use, so
I got a replacement. One of the nuts holding the old seat fixing undid
fairly easily with the supplied plastic socket. The other one did not.
Using a spanner just resulted in the 70mm-long threaded S/S rod turning as
well, but the top end of the rod was hidden under the round metal seat
fixing on the top of the pan, so I couldn't grip it. A squirt of WD40 on
the nut didn't help.

I decided to use a mole wrench to hold the lower end of the rod while
trying to turn the nut with the spanner. But I was aware that if I crushed
the thread I would not be able to get the nut off the end. But whatever I
used as a pad between the wrench teeth and the thread was not strong
enough to prevent the rod turning with the nut. In the end I decided to
use the wrench without padding, and if the thread was damaged saw off the
rod with a Dremel (there was no room to use a hacksaw). I got the nut
turning without the rod, but then noticed the rod was slightly out of
true. Carefully straightening it allow me to get the nut off somewhat more
easily; fortunately the thread hadn't been damaged by the mole wrench.

Of course, all this was done in a most awkward position, and with the
knowledge that too much force in the wrong place could lead to an
expensive replacement for the pan!

--

Jeff

If you really want a frustrating job, try replacing the dial cord on a 1970s
tuner. Three hands and eyes everywhere seem to be the order of the day. I
think they must have originally done it by machine. Bah humbug.
Luckily I cannot now see to do such things, but back in the day cos I did
one successfully the world and his dog suddenly had broken dial cords.
You can still buy it you know!
Brian

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"Mike Halmarack" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:02:59 +0000, Jeff Layman
wrote:

Should have taken 10 minutes, but took over an hour.

The soft-close seat was not closing softly after almost 6 years of use,
so I got a replacement. One of the nuts holding the old seat fixing
undid fairly easily with the supplied plastic socket. The other one did
not. Using a spanner just resulted in the 70mm-long threaded S/S rod
turning as well, but the top end of the rod was hidden under the round
metal seat fixing on the top of the pan, so I couldn't grip it. A squirt
of WD40 on the nut didn't help.

I decided to use a mole wrench to hold the lower end of the rod while
trying to turn the nut with the spanner. But I was aware that if I
crushed the thread I would not be able to get the nut off the end. But
whatever I used as a pad between the wrench teeth and the thread was not
strong enough to prevent the rod turning with the nut. In the end I
decided to use the wrench without padding, and if the thread was damaged
saw off the rod with a Dremel (there was no room to use a hacksaw). I
got the nut turning without the rod, but then noticed the rod was
slightly out of true. Carefully straightening it allow me to get the nut
off somewhat more easily; fortunately the thread hadn't been damaged by
the mole wrench.

Of course, all this was done in a most awkward position, and with the
knowledge that too much force in the wrong place could lead to an
expensive replacement for the pan!

I usually prefer these types of jobs to the awkward fiddly ones.
--

Mike

"newshound" wrote in message
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On 24/01/2020 16:53, GB wrote:
On 24/01/2020 16:45, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/20 16:39, Spike wrote:
On 24/01/2020 15:02, Jeff Layman wrote:


Run two suitable nuts onto the end of the 70mm-long rod, torque one
against the other, then use a spanner or mole grip on them to hold the
rod steady while you loosen the original nut at the top of the thread.

Noted for 2026!



That seems a good solution. Otherwise, would a multi tool do the job?


Or slitting disk on Dremel, no point trying to save the old stuff.

He wasnt trying to save it, just not damage the thread
enough so the nut wouldnt come off the threaded end.

And yes, the two extra nuts tightened against each
other to provide a way to grip the bolt is the best
approach, No risk of cutting the bowl itself,

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

Yes been there done that. One might have thought by now a standard easy
system that is imune to jamming and bending might be in use the world
over....

Pigs might fly, too.

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
...
Should have taken 10 minutes, but took over an hour.

The soft-close seat was not closing softly after almost 6 years of use,
so I got a replacement. One of the nuts holding the old seat fixing undid
fairly easily with the supplied plastic socket. The other one did not.
Using a spanner just resulted in the 70mm-long threaded S/S rod turning
as well, but the top end of the rod was hidden under the round metal seat
fixing on the top of the pan, so I couldn't grip it. A squirt of WD40 on
the nut didn't help.

I decided to use a mole wrench to hold the lower end of the rod while
trying to turn the nut with the spanner. But I was aware that if I
crushed the thread I would not be able to get the nut off the end. But
whatever I used as a pad between the wrench teeth and the thread was not
strong enough to prevent the rod turning with the nut. In the end I
decided to use the wrench without padding, and if the thread was damaged
saw off the rod with a Dremel (there was no room to use a hacksaw). I got
the nut turning without the rod, but then noticed the rod was slightly
out of true. Carefully straightening it allow me to get the nut off
somewhat more easily; fortunately the thread hadn't been damaged by the
mole wrench.

Of course, all this was done in a most awkward position, and with the
knowledge that too much force in the wrong place could lead to an
expensive replacement for the pan!

--

Jeff

On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 08:41:30 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


He wasn¢t trying to save it

LOL In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

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cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 08:52:00 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Pigs might fly, too.

More likely than you sleeping at night instead of trolling all night long,
you abnormal senile idiot!

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"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

Just rememeber the struggle when you fit the new one - and grease the
threads.