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swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg -- Mike |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides. The clamps holding the hob to the worktop can then be loosened and swivelled from the underside. Owain |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:38:20 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Thanks Owain, I didn't want to start pulling too much apart if there was an easier way. That *is* the easy way. It's how it went in :-) Owain |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides. Possibly it is sufficient to remove the plate behind the oven knobs, and then get at teh fixings from underneath. . And this https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Thomas Prufer |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:40:24 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:38:20 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote: Thanks Owain, I didn't want to start pulling too much apart if there was an easier way. That *is* the easy way. It's how it went in :-) Owain Much appreciated. I have done some big jobs in the past that could have been much smaller jobs, if only I'd known. -- Mike |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 11:53, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), wrote: Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides. Possibly it is sufficient to remove the plate behind the oven knobs, and then get at teh fixings from underneath. . And this https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Thomas Prufer And he even read the manuals !. What sort of 'tradesman' does that ?. :-) |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:53:56 +0100, Thomas Prufer
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), wrote: Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides. Possibly it is sufficient to remove the plate behind the oven knobs, and then get at teh fixings from underneath. . And this https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Thomas Prufer Nice video. Such a smooth operation. -- Mike |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:11:45 +0000, Andrew
wrote: And he even read the manuals !. What sort of 'tradesman' does that ?. :-) Sure giveaway that he's an actor? https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2016/03/stockphotowoman-500.jpg (Photo of a model holding a self-evidently cold soldering iron.) Thomas Prufer |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 11:38, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides. The clamps holding the hob to the worktop can then be loosened and swivelled from the underside. Owain Thanks Owain, I didn't want to start pulling too much apart if there was an easier way. Once you have it out (or maybe even before) you might want to check that the cable from the consumer unit is big enough for the induction hob that you intend to install. Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 11:28, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg Besides the 'mechanical' side, check the electrical side. Our induction hob required a dedicated spur (30A from memory) which the company who did the kitchen took care of. (We also needed another one for a 2nd oven, the existing spur being used for the 1st oven.) Induction hobs are great by the way. When we were planning the kitchen change, I wanted a gas hob but Senior Management wanted Induction. I'm pleased I relented ;-) |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:00:09 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:
On 23/01/2020 11:28, Mike Halmarack wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg Besides the 'mechanical' side, check the electrical side. Our induction hob required a dedicated spur (30A from memory) which the company who did the kitchen took care of. (We also needed another one for a 2nd oven, the existing spur being used for the 1st oven.) Induction hobs are great by the way. When we were planning the kitchen change, I wanted a gas hob but Senior Management wanted Induction. I'm pleased I relented ;-) Big help thanks. -- Mike |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:45:44 +0000, Andrew May
wrote: On 23/01/2020 11:38, Mike Halmarack wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:34:47 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Thursday, 23 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg Remove the oven first - usually if you open the door you will see screws in the edge holding it to the cabinet sides. The clamps holding the hob to the worktop can then be loosened and swivelled from the underside. Owain Thanks Owain, I didn't want to start pulling too much apart if there was an easier way. Once you have it out (or maybe even before) you might want to check that the cable from the consumer unit is big enough for the induction hob that you intend to install. Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. Great tip! Thanks. -- Mike |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
Our Bosch induction hob just drops into place just its own weight and a number of clips gripping the edges of the cutout. The other thing that surprised me is you are not use any sealant.
Richard |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 13:44, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Our Bosch induction hob just drops into place just its own weight and a number of clips gripping the edges of the cutout. The other thing that surprised me is you are not use any sealant. Richard I'm pretty sure our AEG hob came with an integral sealant strip. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
Thomas Prufer wrote:
https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Do any UK hobs daisy-chain off the oven like that? |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
Andrew May wrote:
Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
... Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? Our new house (new to us) has an Aga. It also has a fitted oven, but no hob, for use in a hot summer when you might not want the Aga on. So we bought a portable one-ring induction hob from IKEA. It's rated at 2 kW. It heats a pan of water very quickly: a lot faster than a standard kettle for the same amount of water. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
Tim Streater wrote:
Our Neff came set up limited to 13A. But there is a magic sequence of button presses to crank the limit up to 20A with a hard-wired circuit. It has a "b" setting for any ring that will shove all 20A through that ring. Your pan will boil toot sweet. I've always been a gas-hob user, and rarely use more than one ring at a time, but that may have to change to electric ... upcoming decision on whether to go with bulk LPG tank for boiler which would also allow gas hob, or go full electric with heatpump and induction hob, I suppose bottled gas for hob-only would be do-able. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:16:24 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? I'd have to check, but I think that some induction hobs can be wired to be able to run at full whack OR at a reduced current. If wired for a lower current, the individual plates are managed to ensure the total draw is within that limit. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 15:51, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote: Our Neff came set up limited to 13A. But there is a magic sequence of button presses to crank the limit up to 20A with a hard-wired circuit. It has a "b" setting for any ring that will shove all 20A through that ring. Your pan will boil toot sweet. I've always been a gas-hob user, and rarely use more than one ring at a time, but that may have to change to electric ... upcoming decision on whether to go with bulk LPG tank for boiler which would also allow gas hob, or go full electric with heatpump and induction hob, I suppose bottled gas for hob-only would be do-able. I always preferred gas hobs until I had to switch to induction; I would not go back to gas. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 11:28, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg You may just be able to prise the existing hob out by sliding a blade under the edges. I don;t think the Neff hob I removed was held in. The Bosh induction hob I bought as a replacement has a configuration option to set the maximum current itm could draw. I was very pleased that it just fitted in the same size hold in the worktop. -- Michael Chare |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
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swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:51:59 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote: Our Neff came set up limited to 13A. But there is a magic sequence of button presses to crank the limit up to 20A with a hard-wired circuit. It has a "b" setting for any ring that will shove all 20A through that ring. Your pan will boil toot sweet. I've always been a gas-hob user, and rarely use more than one ring at a time, but that may have to change to electric ... upcoming decision on whether to go with bulk LPG tank for boiler which would also allow gas hob, or go full electric with heatpump and induction hob, I suppose bottled gas for hob-only would be do-able. Unless you have a good well sited cooker hood, the fumes from the gas hob are slowly killing you.(Nox) |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 16:24, Michael Chare wrote:
On 23/01/2020 11:28, Mike Halmarack wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg You may just be able to prise the existing hob out by sliding a blade under the edges.Â* I don;t think the Neff hob I removed was held in.Â* The Bosh induction hob I bought as a replacement has a configuration option to set the maximum current itm could draw. I was very pleased that it just fitted in the same size hold in the worktop. No-one seems to have mentioned the fact that the size of cut-out required varies from hob to hob. If the existing cut-out is too small you can enlarge it. But if it's too big - or in the wrong place relative to where the hob needs to go - you may have a problem. -- Cheers, Roger |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? AFAIK they throttle the total power back when you are using multiple "burners". It's a rare occurrence here to use more than two simultaneously, not that my hob has that limitation. -- __ %Profound_observation% ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? Really depends on how you use it. Few choose to have all the elements on full anymore. Its much more about using the appropriate element now. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 15:07, Andy Burns wrote:
Thomas Prufer wrote: https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymYÂ* suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Do any UK hobs daisy-chain off the oven like that? I have seen it done. And some of the posh hobs automatically turn on the extractor hoods when you turn them on. -- Adam |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 13:00, Brian Reay wrote:
On 23/01/2020 11:28, Mike Halmarack wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg Besides the 'mechanical' side, check the electrical side. Our induction hob required a dedicated spur (30A from memory) which the company who did the kitchen took care of. (We also needed another one for a 2nd oven, the existing spur being used for the 1st oven.) Induction hobs are great by the way. When we were planning the kitchen change, I wanted a gas hob but Senior Management wanted Induction. I'm pleased I relented ;-) Who does the cooking? -- Adam |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:28:32 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg RTFM and make sure you can meet the clearance and ventilation requirements of your hob. Mine is a cheap "Viesta" brand and is installed above a cutlery drawer. It requires a 3mm gap between the bottom of the counter and the top of the drawer front, that was easy because the fronts have screwdriver adjusters for height, however the chipboard carcase partially baffles the airflow and the kitchen fitter did not feel it was important enough to cut away. I will have to take my multitool to it myself because as I predicted the hob occasionally goes into its induction coil overheat shutdown error mode which clears if I open the door slightly. Here's a couple of photos that may illustrate what I mean. https://photos.app.goo.gl/4B9HrUWGuCgjCUhT6 It appears that some induction hobs don't use this front exhaust scheme, and their intake and exhaust requirements are met from below. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
In article ,
ARW wrote: On 23/01/2020 15:07, Andy Burns wrote: Thomas Prufer wrote: https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Do any UK hobs daisy-chain off the oven like that? I have seen it done. And some of the posh hobs automatically turn on the extractor hoods when you turn them on. Some 7 or 8 years ago, I was informed, by someone I trusted, that in commercial premises you had to have the extractor fan running before you could get a supply to a gas cooker. Easily dome with a solenoid in the gas supply. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 05:47:55 +1100, "Ray" wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? Really depends on how you use it. Few choose to have all the elements on full anymore. Its much more about using the appropriate element now. On mine the controls go from 1 to 9. Between 5&9 the continuous power is changed, between 1&4 the duty-cycle is changed. If, for example, you have two burners on "2" which is about 50% duty cycle, I would have expected them to alternate to help with diversity, but no, they come on and off together. |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
"Graham." wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 05:47:55 +1100, "Ray" wrote: "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? Really depends on how you use it. Few choose to have all the elements on full anymore. Its much more about using the appropriate element now. On mine the controls go from 1 to 9. Between 5&9 the continuous power is changed, between 1&4 the duty-cycle is changed. If, for example, you have two burners on "2" which is about 50% duty cycle, I would have expected them to alternate to help with diversity, but no, they come on and off together. That's just bad design, what brand ? |
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On 23/01/2020 15:16, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? I haven't tried one, but when I was looking at induction hobs recently, some were smart enough that they used reduced power if all the "rings" were energised at the same time, but operated at full power if only a couple were. SteveW |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:01:59 +0000, Graham.
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:28:32 +0000, Mike Halmarack wrote: Can't see an easy way to remove this hotplate and replace it with an induction hob. Can anyone please give me advice on taking out the hob with minimal damage to surroundings? https://i.postimg.cc/9Mc0Zdqf/cooker.jpg RTFM and make sure you can meet the clearance and ventilation requirements of your hob. Mine is a cheap "Viesta" brand and is installed above a cutlery drawer. It requires a 3mm gap between the bottom of the counter and the top of the drawer front, that was easy because the fronts have screwdriver adjusters for height, however the chipboard carcase partially baffles the airflow and the kitchen fitter did not feel it was important enough to cut away. I will have to take my multitool to it myself because as I predicted the hob occasionally goes into its induction coil overheat shutdown error mode which clears if I open the door slightly. Here's a couple of photos that may illustrate what I mean. https://photos.app.goo.gl/4B9HrUWGuCgjCUhT6 It appears that some induction hobs don't use this front exhaust scheme, and their intake and exhaust requirements are met from below. Thanks for yet more detailed and important considerations. If I hadn't started this thread I would still be thinking that choosing and fitting an induction hob was a fairly simple matter. -- Mike |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On 23/01/2020 20:09, charles wrote:
In article , ARW wrote: On 23/01/2020 15:07, Andy Burns wrote: Thomas Prufer wrote: https://youtu.be/Qif9psHqymY suggests that some Eletrolux hobs are just dropped in place. Do any UK hobs daisy-chain off the oven like that? I have seen it done. And some of the posh hobs automatically turn on the extractor hoods when you turn them on. Some 7 or 8 years ago, I was informed, by someone I trusted, that in commercial premises you had to have the extractor fan running before you could get a supply to a gas cooker. Easily dome with a solenoid in the gas supply. The person you trust is correct. There is however more to it than just a switch to turn on the fan and operate the solenoid in most cases. There are usually two fans in such properties an intake and an out-take and they are often variable speed fans. Normally a fan control unit monitors the fans and shuts the gas off if either fail. The unit uses a couple of potentiometers that you have to set to to determine the detection range when the fans are on the slowest setting. The ones I have worked on also have an emergency "run for 30 minutes even if a fan has failed" button to press if you take the front cover off. That is supposed to let you finish what you are cooking before I arrive and bypass the con -- Adam |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 15:16:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? I have the very cheapest 2kW single induction plate thing, countertop plasticcy thing. It was just over 20‚¬. The fan is noisy, the temperature setting has 20°C increments which is "too coarse" in the lowest range. And the 60°C and 80°C settings will boil water if the pan is small; fine if large enough but still considerable deviation. The hot spot is smaller than on a large electric plate. The temperature, time and wattage can be set independently, if clumsily. It is easy to clean and light (to the point of flimsyness). As there is no hot air as in burning gas, spatter does not get spread around as much. For all the pros and cons: underpowered? naah, not compared to the gas hob. All in all, a great buy, well worth its money. Next time around, I'd get the second-cheapest, not the cheapest... Thomas Prufer |
swapping electric hotplate hob for induction
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:52:01 +1100, "Ray" wrote:
"Graham." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 05:47:55 +1100, "Ray" wrote: "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Andrew May wrote: Induction can take a whole lot more current than a standard hob. They seem to vary from 13A plug-in, to 16A hard-wired to 32A hard-wired, I've heard lots of people raving about how good induction hobs are, has anyone got any stories about the lower powered ones being ... um ... underpowered? Really depends on how you use it. Few choose to have all the elements on full anymore. Its much more about using the appropriate element now. On mine the controls go from 1 to 9. Between 5&9 the continuous power is changed, between 1&4 the duty-cycle is changed. If, for example, you have two burners on "2" which is about 50% duty cycle, I would have expected them to alternate to help with diversity, but no, they come on and off together. That's just bad design, what brand ? https://efulfillment-online.com/en/p...b-ceramic-hob/ |
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