"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:
And you think the reduction in our income due to saying
we will leave and leaving the EU is a one off too?

It hasn't been established that there will be any reduction
on the UK income, that's just another Project Fear claim.,

You seem to be ignoring all the indications.

That's another lie. One of the indications is that
with the lower pound, that can see the price seen
by the buyer actually lower by more than any
increase due to any EU tariff, so no reason why
the income should drop.

And with other exports like aircraft engines and
wings, given that all the imports will be from
outside the EU with engines, there is no reason
why there would be an EU tariff on engines.

And that has nothing to do with govt money trees anyway.

Of course it has. If anyone spends more than they earn,

No reason why the govt would spend more than it earns
when it no longer has to send billions a year to the EU.

it has to come from somewhere.

From what the govt no longer sends to the EU every year.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The use of domestic gas is to be phased out. It will all go to power
stations. Houses will have heat pumps.

Wonder if that actually reduces the amount of fossil based CO2
released?

Each conversion has losses. What COP do the heat pumps *have* to
achieve to overcome the losses in the power station and grid compared
to say an 80% effcient domestic boiler?

Have you considered how many UK homes are suitable for a heat pump system?

They all are with air sourced heat pumps.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 02:27:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile asshole's troll****

02:27???? ROTFLOL Looks like I'm have quite some impact on you, eh, my
senile punching bag? So, will it be another LONG LONG night of insipid
trolling for you, you clinically insane senile Australian arsehole? Of
COURSE, it will be! LOL

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:
And you think the reduction in our income due to saying
we will leave and leaving the EU is a one off too?

It hasn't been established that there will be any reduction
on the UK income, that's just another Project Fear claim.,

You seem to be ignoring all the indications.

That's another lie. One of the indications is that
with the lower pound, that can see the price seen
by the buyer actually lower by more than any
increase due to any EU tariff, so no reason why
the income should drop.

And the lower pound means we'll pay more for imports. Like food and
energy. Making life even harder for those poor sods who voted out -
thinking it would improve their lot.

And with other exports like aircraft engines and
wings, given that all the imports will be from
outside the EU with engines, there is no reason
why there would be an EU tariff on engines.

Major part of the UK's exports, are they then, aircraft bits?

And that has nothing to do with govt money trees anyway.

Of course it has. If anyone spends more than they earn,

No reason why the govt would spend more than it earns
when it no longer has to send billions a year to the EU.

it has to come from somewhere.

From what the govt no longer sends to the EU every year.

You sound just like those individuals who don't want to earn more, because
they'd pay more income tax. ;-)

--
*Why isn't there mouse-flavoured cat food?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The use of domestic gas is to be phased out. It will all go to power
stations. Houses will have heat pumps.

Wonder if that actually reduces the amount of fossil based CO2
released?

Each conversion has losses. What COP do the heat pumps *have* to
achieve to overcome the losses in the power station and grid compared
to say an 80% effcient domestic boiler?

Have you considered how many UK homes are suitable for a heat pump system?

They all are with air sourced heat pumps.

Ah - right. So no need to bury pipes in the ground. Wonder what the snag
is with that?

--
*Time is fun when you're having flies... Kermit

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:
And you think the reduction in our income due to saying
we will leave and leaving the EU is a one off too?

It hasn't been established that there will be any reduction
on the UK income, that's just another Project Fear claim.,

You seem to be ignoring all the indications.

That's another lie. One of the indications is that
with the lower pound, that can see the price seen
by the buyer actually lower by more than any
increase due to any EU tariff, so no reason why
the income should drop.

And the lower pound means we'll pay more for imports. Like food

Food will be cheaper when imports from the rest
of the world don’t have the EU tariffs applied and
the UK doesn’t have to buy what is produced by
very inefficient producers propped up by the CAP.

Making life even harder for those poor sods who
voted out - thinking it would improve their lot.

Another lie with food.

And with other exports like aircraft engines and
wings, given that all the imports will be from
outside the EU with engines, there is no reason
why there would be an EU tariff on engines.

Major part of the UK's exports, are they then, aircraft bits?

Its actually more than other manufactured exports now.

And that has nothing to do with govt money trees anyway.

Of course it has. If anyone spends more than they earn,

No reason why the govt would spend more than it earns
when it no longer has to send billions a year to the EU.

it has to come from somewhere.

From what the govt no longer sends to the EU every year.

You sound just like those individuals who don't want to earn more, because
they'd pay more income tax. ;-)

That’s flagrantly dishonest. Its nothing even remotely like that.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The use of domestic gas is to be phased out. It will all go to power
stations. Houses will have heat pumps.

Wonder if that actually reduces the amount of fossil based CO2
released?

Each conversion has losses. What COP do the heat pumps *have* to
achieve to overcome the losses in the power station and grid compared
to say an 80% effcient domestic boiler?

Have you considered how many UK homes are suitable for a heat pump
system?

They all are with air sourced heat pumps.

Ah - right. So no need to bury pipes in the ground.

Not when it isnt practical like with blocks of flats etc.

Wonder what the snag is with that?

There is no snag, it works fine.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 02:45:38 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the senile Arsetralian's troll****

02:45 already? So you've been up and trolling for an hour already! Wanna bet
that it will be ANOTHER long sleepless night for you, you lonely despicable
senile cretin from Oz?

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 03:36:32 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the senile Arsetralian's latest troll****

03:36??? LOL Well, that means you've managed the FIRST two hours of another
LONG and LONELY night for you, senile cretin!

--
Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak":
"That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******."
Message-ID:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 02:47:17 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH senile asshole's troll****

02:47??? LOL Wanna bet that it will be another long sleepless night for you
and also another long sleepless day, you subnormal senile troll from Oz?

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 03:38:19 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the sleepless senile Arsetralian troll's latest troll****

03:38??? LOL You are even sicker than I already knew you were, you senile
Arsetralian pest!

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The use of domestic gas is to be phased out. It will all go to power
stations. Houses will have heat pumps.

Wonder if that actually reduces the amount of fossil based CO2
released?

Each conversion has losses. What COP do the heat pumps *have* to
achieve to overcome the losses in the power station and grid compared
to say an 80% effcient domestic boiler?

Have you considered how many UK homes are suitable for a heat pump system?

They all are with air sourced heat pumps.

Ah - right. So no need to bury pipes in the ground. Wonder what the snag
is with that?


Low energy density so you presumably have to move a lot of air to extract
enough heat in cold weather (which must reduce efficiency).

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The use of domestic gas is to be phased out. It will all go to power
stations. Houses will have heat pumps.

Wonder if that actually reduces the amount of fossil based CO2
released?

Each conversion has losses. What COP do the heat pumps *have* to
achieve to overcome the losses in the power station and grid compared
to say an 80% effcient domestic boiler?

Have you considered how many UK homes are suitable for a heat pump
system?

They all are with air sourced heat pumps.

Ah - right. So no need to bury pipes in the ground. Wonder what the snag
is with that?


Low energy density so you presumably have to move a lot of air to extract
enough heat in cold weather (which must reduce efficiency).

That isnt the problem, the problem with air sourced
is that the external collector can ice up, particularly
if it isnt sized right.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:46:13 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile Arsetralian arsehole's troll****

06:46??? LOL And you've been up and trolling since 01:49 (your first post)!
Are you TOTALLY insane? You do it now EVERY NIGHT! LMAO

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On 17/01/2020 18:34:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 17/01/2020 14:25:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
It is not that it is more efficient per se,just massively more cost
effectibve. off peak nuclear electricity is almost giveaway

Just like surplus wind power, then?

But I'm sure a good right winger like you would soon find a way of
charging plenty for it. Capitalism can't survive without profit.

You're right.
A right winger will ensure the customer pays.

Not really, just make sure someone pays. Preferably not themselves.

A left winger will ensure everyone else pays, usually a tax payer.

I take it then you hate any form of insurance? Where the load is spread
more evenly?

I don't want to pay for anyone else's insurance that I will never make
use of.

Socialism can't exist without money trees.
That must make Boris a socialist.

It must.

North Korea perhaps being an
obvious state discovering there is no free money tree.

You'd compare N Korea to the UK?

Is it really so difficult to accept there are advantages to a mixed
economic?

I've always accepted and believed in one. Best of both worlds. But lots on
here despise it. Everything only exists to make a profit from.

Then stop deriding capitalism.

On 19/01/2020 11:36:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I take it then you hate any form of insurance? Where the load is spread
more evenly?

That is a form of insurance for other's benefit. Why would anyone
renting have to club together for buildings insurance that someone else
would benefit from?

Not quite sure I see what you're saying. Someone has to pay for building
insurance on a rented property, and at the end of the day, that will be
the renter. Same as all other costs of that building.

Socialism can't exist without money trees.
That must make Boris a socialist.

More a mixed economy type of guy.

But has found that magic money tree may said didn't exist?

Perhaps veering towards the socialist side maybe?

North Korea perhaps being an
obvious state discovering there is no free money tree.

You'd compare N Korea to the UK?

No, with failed socialism.

Is it really so difficult to accept there are advantages to a mixed
economic?

I've always accepted and believed in one. Best of both worlds. But lots on
here despise it. Everything only exists to make a profit from.

I agree, but I accept greed associated with capitalism has its place. I
don't feel the need to deride capitalism where the far right is
synonymous with the far left.

You seem to have the Trump view. Anything socialist in principle, bad.
Anything capitalist, good.

You skills of comprehension are lacking. I have already said I support a
mixed economy. And that the far right is synonymous with the far left.

Or do you think the far left is sacred for some reason?

But there are very few countries in the world that don't have a mixture of
both. And certainly none one would want to actually live in.

Quite.

On Tuesday, 21 January 2020 13:48:31 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
The use of domestic gas is to be phased out. It will all go to power
stations. Houses will have heat pumps.

Wonder if that actually reduces the amount of fossil based CO2
released?

Each conversion has losses. What COP do the heat pumps *have* to
achieve to overcome the losses in the power station and grid compared
to say an 80% effcient domestic boiler?

Have you considered how many UK homes are suitable for a heat pump system?



All of them.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I take it then you hate any form of insurance? Where the load is spread
more evenly?

I don't want to pay for anyone else's insurance that I will never make
use of.

The whole idea of insurance is you hope you never have to make use of it.
But if you do, you tend to be rather glad you have it.

--
*Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I've always accepted and believed in one. Best of both worlds. But lots on
here despise it. Everything only exists to make a profit from.

I agree, but I accept greed associated with capitalism has its place. I
don't feel the need to deride capitalism where the far right is
synonymous with the far left.

You seem to have the Trump view. Anything socialist in principle, bad.
Anything capitalist, good.

You skills of comprehension are lacking. I have already said I support a
mixed economy. And that the far right is synonymous with the far left.

Or do you think the far left is sacred for some reason?

Your skills of comprehension are lacking. I have never been a supporter of
the far left - and if you think I am, give some proof.

But there are very few countries in the world that don't have a
mixture of both. And certainly none one would want to actually live in.

Quite.

So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that works
best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been moving this
country to the right.

--
*Always borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I've always accepted and believed in one. Best of both worlds. But
lots on here despise it. Everything only exists to make a profit
from.

I agree, but I accept greed associated with capitalism has its place. I
don't feel the need to deride capitalism where the far right is
synonymous with the far left.

You seem to have the Trump view. Anything socialist in principle, bad.
Anything capitalist, good.

You skills of comprehension are lacking. I have already said I support a
mixed economy. And that the far right is synonymous with the far left.

Or do you think the far left is sacred for some reason?

Your skills of comprehension are lacking. I have never been a supporter of
the far left - and if you think I am, give some proof.

But there are very few countries in the world that don't have a
mixture of both. And certainly none one would want to actually live in.

Quite.

So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that works
best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been moving this
country to the right.

As indeed had Blair (largely) for the preceding 13 years and Thatcher
for most of the previous 18.

--

Roger Hayter

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I've always accepted and believed in one. Best of both worlds. But
lots on
here despise it. Everything only exists to make a profit from.

I agree, but I accept greed associated with capitalism has its place.
I
don't feel the need to deride capitalism where the far right is
synonymous with the far left.

You seem to have the Trump view. Anything socialist in principle, bad.
Anything capitalist, good.

You skills of comprehension are lacking. I have already said I support a
mixed economy. And that the far right is synonymous with the far left.

Or do you think the far left is sacred for some reason?

Your skills of comprehension are lacking. I have never been a supporter of
the far left - and if you think I am, give some proof.

But there are very few countries in the world that don't have a
mixture of both. And certainly none one would want to actually live in.

Quite.

So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that works
best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been moving this
country to the right.

That’s bull**** with all of the national minimum wage, the big hike in
that and the big hike in the level at which you start paying income tax.

And are you seriously trying to claim that Blair and Brown didn’t do any
move to the right ?

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:16:31 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the senile Asstralian's troll****

03:16??? LOL So it will be another long lonely night of trolling for you,
you forsaken, lonely, senile swine with absolutely NOBODY to talk to!

--
Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak":
"That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******."
Message-ID:

On 22/01/2020 11:04:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I take it then you hate any form of insurance? Where the load is spread
more evenly?

I don't want to pay for anyone else's insurance that I will never make
use of.

The whole idea of insurance is you hope you never have to make use of it.
But if you do, you tend to be rather glad you have it.

Agreed, but it's silly to pay a premium for insurance you can never make
use of.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 22/01/2020 11:04:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
I take it then you hate any form of insurance? Where the load is spread
more evenly?

I don't want to pay for anyone else's insurance that I will never make
use of.

The whole idea of insurance is you hope you never have to make use of it.
But if you do, you tend to be rather glad you have it.

Agreed, but it's silly to pay a premium for insurance you can never make
use of.

Or even come out ahead on even if you do make use of it.

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:21:48 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

The whole idea of insurance is you hope you never have to make use of it.
But if you do, you tend to be rather glad you have it.

Agreed, but it's silly to pay a premium for insurance you can never make
use of.

Or even come out ahead on even if you do make use of it.

You senile twit ALWAYS have to go one better. And I mean really ALWAYS! No
wonder you got NOBODY in real life to talk to, senile pest!

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On 17/01/2020 17:04, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:26:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

We know how to build a thorium reactor.

Briefly, the UK had a lead in the 40s and 50s ?

The reactor is the "known" bit. The online fuel cycle bit, is where the
development is required. China seems to have working molten salt loop
experiments working now though.


--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

In article ,
Ray wrote:
So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that
works best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been
moving this country to the right.

That’s bull**** with all of the national minimum wage, the big hike in
that and the big hike in the level at which you start paying income tax.

And an even bigger 'hike' for high tax payers.

You'll next be telling us what a success universal credit has been - for
those receiving it. And how NHS waiting times have come down.

--
*The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 18/01/2020 09:15, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 January 2020 16:28:39 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 17/01/2020 16:22:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 January 2020 10:01:43 UTC, FMurtz wrote:
harry wrote:
On Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:18:14 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 16/01/2020 14:00:49, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EC...MXl972-smqjpoI


Shame it's so impractical to make hydrogen efficiently unless we build
more nukes.

how do "nukes" make it more efficient?

Because nukes are much cheaper than other ways

Efficiency is nothing to do with money.
It can be. It would be a waste of money making vast quantities of
hydrogen reliably in virtually any other way, unless you want to burn
fossil fuels.

Efficiency is a ratio of useful energy out from a system divided by energy in.

Eg a boiler might be 90% efficient. ie 90% of the fuel used is converted to useful heat.

A steam locomotive might be 5% efficient. 5% of the chemical energy in the coal is converted to mechanical energy at the wheels.

Efficiency is an exact technical term.

Money is nothing whatever to do with it.

Agreed, however it is what actually matters.

Currently the petroleum fuel cycle is massively "inefficient" in energy
terms; by the time you have located and developed the oil reserve,
extracted, transported, refined, and burnt the fuel in internal
combustion engine you are getting a tiny percentage efficiency. Yet no
one cares at the point of use since it works, and its a means to an end.

If you have abundant, cheap, clean electricity, and can turn that into
transport and heating with an IC engine or a fuel cell, then the
efficiencies don't matter there either if it does the job, and people
can afford it.

If however its ten times the price of a fossil fuel alternative, then
its going to be difficult to get anyone to buy into it.




--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

On 19/01/2020 11:55, Pancho wrote:
On 17/01/2020 13:41, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:19:33 +0000, Pancho
wrote:

On 16/01/2020 20:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 16/01/2020 14:00:49, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EC...MXl972-smqjpoI




Shame it's so impractical to make hydrogen efficiently unless we build
more nukes.


How do you know wind cannot be used to make hydrogen. Serious question,
not making a point.

I vaguely remember someone claiming that the required number of
windmills would take up too much area in the UK, but I think I have also
seen claims we could produce ten times our requirements from wind.

Does anyone have a reliable source for a discussion of potential UK wind
capacity, + economics.

David MacKay has discussed this objectively here
http://www.withouthotair.com/c4/page_32.shtml and on the following
pages for on-shore wind, and here and on the following pages for
off-shore wind http://www.withouthotair.com/c10/page_60.shtml He goes
into more technical detail here
http://www.withouthotair.com/cB/page_263.shtml but I don't think he
goes into costs, but I may have forgotten that bit.

Thank you, David MacKay was one of the people I was thinking of. I see
the book is free. I should read it.

I very much like MacKay's style, but it is the way I tend to think
myself and so I would really like to see criticism of it.

Preferably I would like to see government plans for zero carbon. Plans
from somewhere like Germany. The fact Germany has decided to turn off
its Nuclear power stations would suggest they have confidence they have
a renewable solution or, alternatively, that they are not going for a
zero carbon solution.

You might hope, but in reality they have made up for what they have
"turned off" by burning more brown coal. One of the factors that have
been driving their CO2 emissions up.


--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

John Rumm wrote:

in reality they have made up for what they have "turned off" by burning
more brown coal. One of the factors that have been driving their CO2
emissions up.

To the extent that a Tesla Model3 charged from "dirty" German
electricity, is responsible for more CO2 than a diesel Merc C220.

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:46:48 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

You might hope, but in reality they have made up for what they have
"turned off" by burning more brown coal. One of the factors that have
been driving their CO2 emissions up.

Are you sure?

This
https://ag-energiebilanzen.de/index.php?article_id=29&fileName=awt_2018_englisch .pdf
shows brown coal/lignite at a fairly constant ~1.5 PJ from 1995 through 2018...


Thomas Prufer

p 5, "Indigenous energy production by energy source"

Thomas Prufer wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

in reality they have made up for what they have "turned off" by
burning more brown coal. One of the factors that have been driving
their CO2 emissions up.

Are you sure?
https://ag-energiebilanzen.de/index.php?article_id=29&fileName=awt_2018_englisch .pdf

Looks like if they wanted, purely from meeting demand, they could have
either turned off the nukes faster, or stopped burning about 40% of lignite

http://debarel.com/blog1/2018/04/04/german-energiewende-if-this-is-success-what-would-failure-look-like/

But that would probably exaggerate both their imports when sun/wind are
insufficient and exports when sun/wind are in surplus ... the article
seems imply these aren't popular with the neighbours?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:
So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that
works best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been
moving this country to the right.

That's bull**** with all of the national minimum wage, the big hike in
that and the big hike in the level at which you start paying income tax.

And an even bigger 'hike' for high tax payers.

You'll next be telling us what a success universal credit has been - for
those receiving it. And how NHS waiting times have come down.

Those are irrelevant to your stupid lie that the Tories have moved to the
right and you carefully deleted from the quoting Blair and Brown doing that.

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 05:13:40 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

Those are irrelevant to your stupid lie that the Tories have moved to the
right and you carefully deleted from the quoting Blair and Brown doing that.

Tories? Blair and Brown? It's ALL absolutely NONE of yours, senile Ozzie
pest!

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

On 18/01/2020 09:15:40, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 January 2020 16:28:39 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 17/01/2020 16:22:31, harry wrote:
On Friday, 17 January 2020 10:01:43 UTC, FMurtz wrote:
harry wrote:
On Thursday, 16 January 2020 20:18:14 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 16/01/2020 14:00:49, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EC...MXl972-smqjpoI


Shame it's so impractical to make hydrogen efficiently unless we build
more nukes.

how do "nukes" make it more efficient?

Because nukes are much cheaper than other ways

Efficiency is nothing to do with money.
It can be. It would be a waste of money making vast quantities of
hydrogen reliably in virtually any other way, unless you want to burn
fossil fuels.

Efficiency is a ratio of useful energy out from a system divided by energy in.

Eg a boiler might be 90% efficient. ie 90% of the fuel used is converted to useful heat.

A steam locomotive might be 5% efficient. 5% of the chemical energy in the coal is converted to mechanical energy at the wheels.

Efficiency is an exact technical term.

Quite, like the ability to turn an investment into cash cow.

Someone might be more efficient at this than someone else.

In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:
So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that
works best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been
moving this country to the right.

That's bull**** with all of the national minimum wage, the big hike
in that and the big hike in the level at which you start paying
income tax.

And an even bigger 'hike' for high tax payers.

You'll next be telling us what a success universal credit has been -
for those receiving it. And how NHS waiting times have come down.

Those are irrelevant to your stupid lie that the Tories have moved to
the right

I take it you think cutting benefits and starving the NHS of resources
good socialist principles, then?

--
*A nest isn't empty until all their stuff is out of the attic

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray wrote:
So it come down to the degree of socialism in a mixed economy that
works best. The Tory party over the past 10 years or so have been
moving this country to the right.

That's bull**** with all of the national minimum wage, the big hike
in that and the big hike in the level at which you start paying
income tax.

And an even bigger 'hike' for high tax payers.

You'll next be telling us what a success universal credit has been -
for those receiving it. And how NHS waiting times have come down.

Those are irrelevant to your stupid lie that the Tories have moved to
the right

I take it you think cutting benefits

That’s a lie.

and starving the NHS of resources

Ano9ther bare faced lie.

good socialist principles, then?

The national minimum wage, the big hike
in that and the big hike in the level at which
you start paying income tax certainly are.
Something the Blair/Brown govts didn’t do.

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:10:10 +1100, Ray, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


I take it you think cutting benefits

That¢s a lie.

and starving the NHS of resources

Ano9ther bare faced lie.

good socialist principles, then?

The national minimum wage, the big hike
in that and the big hike in the level at which
you start paying income tax certainly are.
Something the Blair/Brown govts didn¢t do.

Does that Briton STILL not notice what's the matter with you, senile Rodent?
You're a lucky boy, senile pest! BG

--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

In article ,
Ray wrote:
You'll next be telling us what a success universal credit has been -
for those receiving it. And how NHS waiting times have come down.

Those are irrelevant to your stupid lie that the Tories have moved to
the right

I take it you think cutting benefits

That’s a lie.

I do realise you are a right winger, but do you have to be like Trump and
say the truth is a lie?

Just the tiniest bit of research - other than in the Express - would soon
tell you about the effects of universal credit.

--
*Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/01/2020 13:45:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Ray wrote:
You'll next be telling us what a success universal credit has been -
for those receiving it. And how NHS waiting times have come down.

Those are irrelevant to your stupid lie that the Tories have moved to
the right

I take it you think cutting benefits

Thats a lie.

I do realise you are a right winger, but do you have to be like Trump and
say the truth is a lie?

Just the tiniest bit of research - other than in the Express - would soon
tell you about the effects of universal credit.

I don't think many can justify the 5 week automatic delay in receipt of
Tax Credits, nor the administrative delays in receiving housing costs,
unless they're a sadist.

You could actually answer the reference, "And are you seriously trying
to claim that Blair and Brown didnt do any move to the right ?" rather
than calling it a lie.

Most would consider Blair to be more right wing than thatcher, he
privatised assets Thatcher didn't want to. I could go on with PPPs.