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We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there
anyone who can refurbish these boards? Otherwise, we need a new boiler, which won't happen for nearly a month. |
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GB wrote:
We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? I assume you've asked Geoff? https://www.cetltd.com/default.asp |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:20:49 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? I assume you've asked Geoff? https://www.cetltd.com/default.asp A big thumbs up for Geoff. I took a boiler PCB over to him a few years back and he sorted it quickly and efficiently. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 15/12/2019 15:20, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:20:49 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? I assume you've asked Geoff? https://www.cetltd.com/default.asp A big thumbs up for Geoff. I took a boiler PCB over to him a few years back and he sorted it quickly and efficiently. ;-) Cheers, T i m Thanks, Andy and Tim. Geoff seems like just who I need. Even better, I'm in N London, and Watford is only a half hour drive. I've got a guy coming in the morning to diagnose the fault on the boiler, and I'm 99% sure that he'll say it needs a new (unobtainable) PCB. If Geoff can fettle the old one instead, that'll do nicely. |
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GB wrote:
Thanks, Andy and Tim. Geoff seems like just who I need. Dunno if he can fix brands that he doesn't mention though, is Gem related to Geminox? Best to give him a phone call ... |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:11:45 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: GB wrote: Thanks, Andy and Tim. Geoff seems like just who I need. Dunno if he can fix brands that he doesn't mention though, is Gem related to Geminox? Best to give him a phone call ... The only reasons he might not be able to that I can think of is if it contains components that he can't get or doesn't have a test jig to suit etc? That said, he's also pretty sharp at spotting (and fixing) dry joints, not an uncommon cause of issues on these things as I understand. I agree with the call before moving though (and I think he only works with appointments)? Cheers, T i m |
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On 15/12/2019 16:03, GB wrote:
On 15/12/2019 15:20, T i m wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:20:49 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? I assume you've asked Geoff? https://www.cetltd.com/default.asp A big thumbs up for Geoff. I took a boiler PCB over to him a few years back and he sorted it quickly and efficiently. ;-) Cheers, T i m Thanks, Andy and Tim. Geoff seems like just who I need. Even better, I'm in N London, and Watford is only a half hour drive. I've got a guy coming in the morning to diagnose the fault on the boiler, and I'm 99% sure that he'll say it needs a new (unobtainable) PCB. If Geoff can fettle the old one instead, that'll do nicely. Ask him for a guided tour of his factory if you are into that sort of thing. It's not big but it is interesting. Also ask him if he has ever set fire to his jumper:-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2XJzwF6c08 we were both ****ed up that night. -- Adam |
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On 15/12/2019 13:16, GB wrote:
We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? Otherwise, we need a new boiler, which won't happen for nearly a month. If you haven't done so already and know how to, it is probably worth checking for dry joints and touching up any that look doubtful etc. Older PCBs in all kinds of things in the domestic (and other) area(s) can be 'magnets' for dry joint pox ;-) Likewise, a visual check for cracks in the PCB and/or tracks- you can bridge cracks in copper track with wire and solder. |
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On 15/12/2019 16:54, Brian Reay wrote:
On 15/12/2019 13:16, GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? Otherwise, we need a new boiler, which won't happen for nearly a month. If you haven't done so already and know how to, it is probably worth checking for dry joints and touching up any that look doubtful etc. Older PCBs in all kinds of things in the domestic (and other) area(s) can be 'magnets' for dry joint pox ;-) Likewise, a visual check for cracks in the PCB and/or tracks- you can bridge cracks in copper track with wire and solder. It managed to blow a 3 amp fuse in the mains supply. I've replaced that, and I've checked that power is reaching the mains switch on the front PCB. I've stopped there, and I'll let the expert have a look tomorrow. I'm hoping he'll isolate which of the PCBs is at fault. I assume there's a PSU in there somewhere, but it's not particularly obvious where. It's a 1998 boiler, so would duff capacitors be a possible issue? |
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On 15/12/2019 16:32, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:11:45 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: GB wrote: Thanks, Andy and Tim. Geoff seems like just who I need. Dunno if he can fix brands that he doesn't mention though, is Gem related to Geminox? Best to give him a phone call ... The only reasons he might not be able to that I can think of is if it contains components that he can't get or doesn't have a test jig to suit etc? That said, he's also pretty sharp at spotting (and fixing) dry joints, not an uncommon cause of issues on these things as I understand. I agree with the call before moving though (and I think he only works with appointments)? Cheers, T i m He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. -- Adam |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:54:21 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:
On 15/12/2019 13:16, GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? Otherwise, we need a new boiler, which won't happen for nearly a month. If you haven't done so already and know how to, it is probably worth checking for dry joints and touching up any that look doubtful etc. Older PCBs in all kinds of things in the domestic (and other) area(s) can be 'magnets' for dry joint pox ;-) Likewise, a visual check for cracks in the PCB and/or tracks- you can bridge cracks in copper track with wire and solder. When I was doing domestic TV development, a frequent problem (mainly in other manufacturers) was metal components which held a lot of heat, and took longer for the solder to set. If they were moved too soon in the solder bath, probably with vibration, a crack would form all round the solder blob. The PCB worked fine initially but the crack comes apart after some time. This happenef to me recently on a power transistor with thick leads. I must have knocked it untintentionally rendering the radio mysteriously dead. Eventually I found the transistor just flopping about in the PCB. -- Dave W |
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On 15/12/2019 16:54, Brian Reay wrote:
On 15/12/2019 13:16, GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? Otherwise, we need a new boiler, which won't happen for nearly a month. If you haven't done so already and know how to, it is probably worth checking for dry joints and touching up any that look doubtful etc. Older PCBs in all kinds of things in the domestic (and other) area(s) can be 'magnets' for dry joint pox ;-) And if re-soldering DON'T use lead free - use 60/40 tin/lead with an integral flux. The flux will have been washed from the PCB during manufacture so if applying a soldering iron you need more flux, either from new solder or from something such as a flux pen. https://tinyurl.com/wdczhus -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 15/12/2019 18:41, ARW wrote:
He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) |
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On 15/12/2019 17:17, GB wrote:
On 15/12/2019 16:54, Brian Reay wrote: On 15/12/2019 13:16, GB wrote: We have an old Geminox boiler. Spare PCBs are not available. Is there anyone who can refurbish these boards? Otherwise, we need a new boiler, which won't happen for nearly a month. If you haven't done so already and know how to, it is probably worth checking for dry joints and touching up any that look doubtful etc. Older PCBs in all kinds of things in the domestic (and other) area(s) can be 'magnets' for dry joint pox ;-) Likewise, a visual check for cracks in the PCB and/or tracks- you can bridge cracks in copper track with wire and solder. It managed to blow a 3 amp fuse in the mains supply. I've replaced that, and I've checked that power is reaching the mains switch on the front PCB. I've stopped there, and I'll let the expert have a look tomorrow. I'm hoping he'll isolate which of the PCBs is at fault. I assume there's a PSU in there somewhere, but it's not particularly obvious where. It's a 1998 boiler, so would duff capacitors be a possible issue? Fair enough, I just thought I'd mention it. As for the capacitors etc, could be but there are other things- including secondary damage if a cap has gone bad. Unless stressed etc, semiconductors are generally long lived, ditto most other things. Caps are the exception. Plus, manufacturers tend to penny pinch and use cheap capacitors. The 'PSU' may be a simple as a Cap in series with a diode and another C and a resistor, perhaps a zener. A lot of domestic items forego a transformer or switch mode based PSU and just have a simple 'dropper', rectifier and some smoothing. They may throw in regulator like a 78XY series if they are in a generous mood. |
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GB wrote: I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) That's just because it's almost Xmas. ;-) -- *Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/12/2019 12:57, Brian Reay wrote:
Unless stressed etc, semiconductors are generally long lived, ditto most other things. Caps are the exception. Plus, manufacturers tend to penny pinch and use cheap capacitors. Ther problem is electrolytics . To get decent capacity these are wet electrlyte aluminium oxide layer polarised ****. They dry out and develop high onteral resiatance and lose capacitance. Semiconductors DO age. The doping drifts. This happens faster at high temps so power devidces like diodes and switched mode stuff has a finite life - probably no more than 30 years MTBF. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher |
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On 16/12/2019 12:11, GB wrote:
On 15/12/2019 18:41, ARW wrote: He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) He is a very smart bloke, brain wise not dress sense! So can he fix it? -- Adam |
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On 16/12/2019 17:55, ARW wrote:
On 16/12/2019 12:11, GB wrote: On 15/12/2019 18:41, ARW wrote: He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) He is a very smart bloke, brain wise not dress sense! So can he fix it? He says yes. Waiting for some components that he should get in on Thursday. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Semiconductors DO age. The doping drifts. This happens faster at high temps so power devidces like diodes and switched mode stuff has a finite life - probably no more than 30 years MTBF. And I thought you once worked in electronics. Plenty early solid state electronic devices still working at well over 50 years old. If they were well designed in the first place. -- *Succeed, in spite of management * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 17/12/2019 11:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Semiconductors DO age. The doping drifts. This happens faster at high temps so power devidces like diodes and switched mode stuff has a finite life - probably no more than 30 years MTBF. And I thought you once worked in electronics. Plenty early solid state electronic devices still working at well over 50 years old. If they were well designed in the first place. NP is correct (he repeated what I posted essentially). Semiconductors can deteriorate and eventually fail with time as he describes. The process is slow but higher temp speeds it up. In, say, a transistor, you may see a gradual loss of gain before it fails. |
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On 16/12/2019 19:47, GB wrote:
On 16/12/2019 17:55, ARW wrote: On 16/12/2019 12:11, GB wrote: On 15/12/2019 18:41, ARW wrote: He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) He is a very smart bloke, brain wise not dress sense! So can he fix it? He says yes. Waiting for some components that he should get in on Thursday. Good. So I assume that it's a PCB that is not on his website list or he has been busy with the cold spell and made that many repairs that he has run out of parts! As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. Some of the local engineers who are out at work all day often just call at his house in an evening to pick up/drop off a PCB. I have also seen him drive to work on a weekend several times to grab a PCB for the engineers that work weekends. -- Adam |
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On 17/12/2019 18:42, Brian Reay wrote:
On 17/12/2019 11:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote: Semiconductors DO age.Â* The doping drifts. This happens faster at high temps so power devidces like diodes and switched mode stuff has a finite life - probably no more than 30 years MTBF. And I thought you once worked in electronics. Plenty early solid state electronic devices still working at well over 50 years old. If they were well designed in the first place. Prat Brian: READ what I said. Hot stuff doesnt last . Cool stuff DOES. Good design is not spending money on making a power transistror last longer than te rest of the product NP is correct (he repeated what I posted essentially). Semiconductors can deteriorate and eventually fail with time as he describes. The process is slow but higher temp speeds it up. In, say, a transistor, you may see a gradual loss of gain before it fails. And lowering frequency response. Many chips in digital kit got out of spec if kept too hot too long -- €œThere are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isnt true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.€ €”Soren Kierkegaard |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message ... On 17/12/2019 11:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Semiconductors DO age. The doping drifts. This happens faster at high temps so power devidces like diodes and switched mode stuff has a finite life - probably no more than 30 years MTBF. And I thought you once worked in electronics. Plenty early solid state electronic devices still working at well over 50 years old. If they were well designed in the first place. NP is correct No he is not. (he repeated what I posted essentially). Then you are both wrong. Semiconductors can deteriorate and eventually fail with time as he describes. In fact hardly ever do. The process is slow but higher temp speeds it up. In, say, a transistor, you may see a gradual loss of gain before it fails. And in fact hardily ever fail. Which might explain why computers from the 60s are still working fine. |
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On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote:
On 16/12/2019 19:47, GB wrote: On 16/12/2019 17:55, ARW wrote: On 16/12/2019 12:11, GB wrote: On 15/12/2019 18:41, ARW wrote: He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) He is a very smart bloke, brain wise not dress sense! So can he fix it? He says yes. Waiting for some components that he should get in on Thursday. Good. So I assume that it's a PCB that is not on his website list or he has been busy with the cold spell and made that many repairs that he has run out of parts! It's an unusual make, but Geoff recognised it immediately from the model number printed on it. As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... Some of the local engineers who are out at work all day often just call at his house in an evening to pick up/drop off a PCB. I have also seen him drive to work on a weekend several times to grab a PCB for the engineers that work weekends. He seems a very nice guy. I wandered in through the open door of his workshop. He glanced up and said "What are you doing here?" But, things improved after that. :) |
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On 16/12/2019 12:11, GB wrote:
On 15/12/2019 18:41, ARW wrote: He is not the CEO of a multi national company with a waiting list to see him! It's Geoff. I went over this morning and met Geoff. He gives the really strong impression he knows exactly what he's doing. I mentioned Adam's name, and he didn't throw me out. :) ROFL! |
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On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote:
On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... I recall a fair few occasions when Adam has mentioned working in London and further South. I think he may occasionally take the opportunity for leisure activities either side of that work. I don't doubt that there's no duality of purpose in the travel; and that the addition of Lou as a passenger makes no material difference to the cost of travel or accommodation. But it can't do any harm in your mentioning to him interesting things for them to do/see... -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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In article ,
Brian Reay wrote: On 17/12/2019 11:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Semiconductors DO age. The doping drifts. This happens faster at high temps so power devidces like diodes and switched mode stuff has a finite life - probably no more than 30 years MTBF. And I thought you once worked in electronics. Plenty early solid state electronic devices still working at well over 50 years old. If they were well designed in the first place. NP is correct (he repeated what I posted essentially). Semiconductors can deteriorate and eventually fail with time as he describes. The process is slow but higher temp speeds it up. In, say, a transistor, you may see a gradual loss of gain before it fails. So he is correct in saying power devices and diodes will fail in no more than 30 years? Since we are talking domestic use here, does that mean 24/7 then? -- *Filthy stinking rich -- well, two out of three ain't bad Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Good design is not spending money on making a power transistror last longer than te rest of the product Or in your case, making sure it fails just out of warranty. -- *Keep honking...I'm reloading. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 18/12/2019 13:31, Robin wrote:
On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote: On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... I recall a fair few occasions when Adam has mentioned working in London and further South. I think he may occasionally take the opportunity for leisure activities either side of that work.Â*Â* I don't doubt that there's no duality of purpose in the travel; and that the addition of Lou as a passenger makes no material difference to the cost of travel or accommodation.Â* But it can't do any harm in your mentioning to him interesting things for them to do/see... Does Lou help out with the work? Otherwise, it must be pretty dull for her if Adam is busy. |
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On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote:
Does Lou help out with the work? Otherwise, it must be pretty dull for her if Adam is busy. Let's see. I took her to Watford and spent a full day working at the rented house. Geoff was at work and Lou went shopping with Geoff's wife. At 1pm they both arrived at the rental property. Lou "The sales are on, you will not believe how much I have saved you on the new clothes I have bought" Geoff's wife "I spent more than Lou and saved Geoff even more money" -- Adam |
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On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote:
On 18/12/2019 13:31, Robin wrote: On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote: On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... Remember Geoff's rental was a nearly empty house with carpets that I could just rip up and I worked there over several weekends and stopped at Geoff's for the weekend. I suspect your daughter and S-i-L will want a quicker timescale than I can offer without going through the company I work for. I would be interested in knowing what the companies down there quote for their rewire. -- Adam |
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In message , ARW
writes On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote: On 18/12/2019 13:31, Robin wrote: On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote: On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... Remember Geoff's rental was a nearly empty house with carpets that I could just rip up and I worked there over several weekends and stopped at Geoff's for the weekend. I suspect your daughter and S-i-L will want a quicker timescale than I can offer without going through the company I work for. I would be interested in knowing what the companies down there quote for their rewire. £150/day. Labour only, last year. One man band. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 18/12/2019 19:43, ARW wrote:
On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote: On 18/12/2019 13:31, Robin wrote: On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote: On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... Remember Geoff's rental was a nearly empty house with carpets that I could just rip up and I worked there over several weekends and stopped at Geoff's for the weekend. I suspect your daughter and S-i-L will want a quicker timescale than I can offer without going through the company I work for. I would be interested in knowing what the companies down there quote for their rewire. They are not quite at that stage, but I'll let you know. I think they'll be getting other work done, so they'll probably get the builder to organise it all. That's assuming this purchase actually goes ahead, as they've had a poor survey. |
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On 18/12/2019 19:21, ARW wrote:
On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote: Does Lou help out with the work? Otherwise, it must be pretty dull for her if Adam is busy. Let's see. I took her to Watford and spent a full day working at the rented house. Geoff was at work and Lou went shopping with Geoff's wife. At 1pm they both arrived at the rental property. Lou "The sales are on, you will not believe how much I have saved you on the new clothes I have bought" Geoff's wife "I spent more than Lou and saved Geoff even more money" :) Did you factor that into your quote? I hope you quickly came up with something else for them to do in the afternoon? |
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On 18/12/2019 20:13, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , ARW writes On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote: On 18/12/2019 13:31, Robin wrote: On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote: On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on aÂ* house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all ofÂ* it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... Remember Geoff's rental was a nearly empty house with carpets that I could just rip up and I worked there over several weekends and stopped at Geoff's for the weekend. I suspect your daughter and S-i-L will want a quicker timescale than I can offer without going through the company I work for. I would be interested in knowing what the companies down there quote for their rewire. £150/day. Labour only, last year. One man band. That looks insanely cheap for a self-employed, qualified sparks in or around London. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 18/12/2019 20:23, GB wrote:
On 18/12/2019 19:21, ARW wrote: On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote: Does Lou help out with the work? Otherwise, it must be pretty dull for her if Adam is busy. Let's see. I took her to Watford and spent a full day working at the rented house. Geoff was at work and Lou went shopping with Geoff's wife. At 1pm they both arrived at the rental property. Lou "The sales are on, you will not believe how much I have saved you on the new clothes I have bought" Geoff's wife "I spent more than Lou and saved Geoff even more money" :) Did you factor that into your quote? I hope you quickly came up with something else for them to do in the afternoon? Cook dinner for me and Geoff;-) -- Adam |
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In message , Robin
writes On 18/12/2019 20:13, Tim Lamb wrote: In message , ARW writes On 18/12/2019 18:20, GB wrote: On 18/12/2019 13:31, Robin wrote: On 18/12/2019 12:06, GB wrote: On 17/12/2019 19:14, ARW wrote: As you might know I have spent a lot at time at Geoff's working on a* house he rents out. This has been mainly weekend work but not all of* it. I didn't realise you worked this far South. My daughter and her husband are buying a house that will need a full rewire ... Remember Geoff's rental was a nearly empty house with carpets that I could just rip up and I worked there over several weekends and stopped at Geoff's for the weekend. I suspect your daughter and S-i-L will want a quicker timescale than I can offer without going through the company I work for. I would be interested in knowing what the companies down there quote for their rewire. £150/day. Labour only, last year. One man band. That looks insanely cheap for a self-employed, qualified sparks in or around London. I'm not sure you would call Hemel Hempstead *in or around* London:-) but certainly down here. -- Tim Lamb |
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