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I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


It depends.......

I have an HP PDA not used since about 2005 and the batteries won't hold
charge.

I have a JVC badged digital camera last used in 2005 with several spare
batteries and all seem to hold charge.

So it probably depends on the size of the battery, the chemistry and the
manufacturer.


Cheers



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On 04/12/2019 16:42, David wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


It depends.......

I have an HP PDA not used since about 2005 and the batteries won't hold
charge.

I have a JVC badged digital camera last used in 2005 with several spare
batteries and all seem to hold charge.

So it probably depends on the size of the battery, the chemistry and the
manufacturer.

NiMh and LIPO will in general be destroyed, but Nicad can take it.


Cheers



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On 04/12/2019 16:42, David wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


It depends.......

I have an HP PDA not used since about 2005 and the batteries won't hold
charge.

I have a JVC badged digital camera last used in 2005 with several spare
batteries and all seem to hold charge.

So it probably depends on the size of the battery, the chemistry and the
manufacturer.

NiMh and LIPO will in general be destroyed, but Nicad can take it.


Your avvin a laff, mate.
Even good quality NiCads would grow whiskers if they were left
discharged for any length of time.
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wrote:

On 04/12/2019 16:42, David wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?

It depends.......

I have an HP PDA not used since about 2005 and the batteries won't hold
charge.

I have a JVC badged digital camera last used in 2005 with several spare
batteries and all seem to hold charge.

So it probably depends on the size of the battery, the chemistry and the
manufacturer.

NiMh and LIPO will in general be destroyed, but Nicad can take it.


Your avvin a laff, mate.
Even good quality NiCads would grow whiskers if they were left
discharged for any length of time.


Hum. Connect a charged NiCad in parallel and vaporise the whiskers:-)

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On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


Does it matter

Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


My eneloops have lasted much longer than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are less environmentally friendly than
regular disposable ones.


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Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


They've save me a fortune on an old rather power hungry mouse.

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Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


My eneloops have lasted much longer than that.


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On 04/12/2019 16:32, Scott wrote:
I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).


They may never have been able to power a cordless mouse even when new.
Rechargeable batteries have a lower terminal voltage than conventional
single use alkaline cells. At low currents this can matter some devices
shutdown when the cell reaches a certain voltage to help prevent leaks.

My desk phone display will not run at all on rechargables as the LCDs
cannot produce black with the limited voltage. Current requirement is
almost nil but without enough voltage the display just doesn't work.

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


Leaving them flat for a long time or overcharging them will both
seriously shorten battery life. Check them on something with a more
realistic load like a torch and see how long they can power that for.

Some battery technologies handle abuse better than others and in general
the higher the energy density the less happy it is about being abused.
It is worth giving them a charge discharge cycle to see if they wake up.

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On 04/12/2019 17:38, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


Does it matter

Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


They should last at least a couple of years (or more) if you look after
them and use them in rotation. Leave some dead flat in a drawer or
continuously on charge and you will more than likely wreck them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are less environmentally friendly than
regular disposable ones.


NiCads certainly were. NiHM and Lithium less so but I do wonder about
the mining of lithium salts for green electric vehicles being displaced
environmental damage of the out of sight out of mind third world sort.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lith...ronment-impact

I have some old WWII surplus NiFe cells that are still going - they are
wet plate, heavy and low capacity by modern standards but they are also
virtually indestructible! Silver zinc from the same source gave up long
since - perhaps no surprise they were not intended for many cycles.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...78775399001640

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On 04/12/2019 16:32, Scott wrote:
I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


I've not had a single battery fail - that's over about 10 years, with
about 30 in use at any one time. And if any have deteriorated in terms
of capacity or ability to hold a charge, it's not affected any in a way
I've noticed.

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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:32:07 UTC, Scott wrote:
I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


NiCd & NiMH aren't worried by sitting flat. I'd charge them, not fit them then fit them to the mouse a week later, see if they've self discharged or whether they then run 5 minutes. Should narrow down the problem. If they're self discharging quickly you can get a bit more life by zapping them, but not much, they soon short out again. AAs & AAAs are 2 for £1 at poundland anyway.


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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:32:07 UTC, Scott wrote:
I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


NiCd & NiMH aren't worried by sitting flat. I'd charge them, not fit them
then fit them to the mouse a week later, see if they've self discharged or
whether they then run 5 minutes. Should narrow down the problem. If
they're self discharging quickly you can get a bit more life by zapping
them, but not much, they soon short out again. AAs & AAAs are 2 for £1 at
poundland anyway.


There is also the difference between good and lousy chargers.

At one time I discovered that the Panasonic cordless phone would
charge what the dedicated charger wouldnt charge properly.

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On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 05:17:45 +1100, Ray wrote:

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On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


Does it matter

Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


My eneloops have lasted much longer than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are less environmentally friendly than
regular disposable ones.


In an electric toothbrush primary AA cells last up to 3 weeks but lose power
after about 2 weeks so the torque drops and the head will stall if there's
much resistance.
The Eneloop & Fujitsu Pros last a month easily. I swap them every month to
avoid going too low.
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There is also the difference between good and lousy chargers.

At one time I discovered that the Panasonic cordless phone would
charge what the dedicated charger wouldn¢t charge properly.


I'm gonna discharge you here until you are flat! Wanna bet, my senile
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:09:58 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 04/12/2019 16:42, David wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?

It depends.......

I have an HP PDA not used since about 2005 and the batteries won't hold
charge.

I have a JVC badged digital camera last used in 2005 with several spare
batteries and all seem to hold charge.

So it probably depends on the size of the battery, the chemistry and the
manufacturer.

NiMh and LIPO will in general be destroyed, but Nicad can take it.


Your avvin a laff, mate.
Even good quality NiCads would grow whiskers if they were left
discharged for any length of time.


Hum. Connect a charged NiCad in parallel and vaporise the whiskers:-)


I'm not sure a single cell would work with anything but newly formed
whiskers. I used to charge up a really big capacitor (5-10000 uF) to
around 20 volts and zap the whiskers with that. Once started, The
whiskers tend to re-form but if the cell is kept charged it will
usually auto-zap.
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Leaving them flat for a long time or overcharging them will both
seriously shorten battery life.


As will the charge rate (rather than charge level), something where
most people thing bigger / quicker is better. ;-(

I specifically buy chargers where the rates are either 'mild' (where
the cells don't heat noticeably whilst charging) or are charge current
limited / adjustable (and I can ensure the above).

When racing RC cars in the very early days, the (Nicad) cells were
built into the vehicle and so were raced and re-charged nearly
continuously thought the session.

When we moved over into removable packs, they were often fan cooled
after use and during recharging, to try to minimise damage.

I believe in the case of some chemistries, the rate of charge can
impact the charge density. A slow charge can form fine crystal
structure and therefore a greater energy density but a smaller surface
area and so a slightly lower discharge rate.

Talking to a wedding photographer a few years ago he used the highest
capacity NiCads he could find but would cane them re recharge rate,
killing them a short period. However, he accepted this 'cost' as part
of his overheads because he often had little time between shoots to
get the batteries recharged again.

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Give us a clue, what kind were they?
Rechargeable Ni Cads do not like being left
Nickel metal hydrides can be better, but the really ones did seem to suffer
this way as well as they self discharged
Rechargeable Alkaline are meant to be only taken down to 70 percent then
trickled back up again.
The more exotic batteries normally need very careful handling to tread the
line between exploding and not wearing out with too many cycles.

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I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?



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In message , Custos Custodum
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:09:58 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 04/12/2019 16:42, David wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?

It depends.......

I have an HP PDA not used since about 2005 and the batteries won't hold
charge.

I have a JVC badged digital camera last used in 2005 with several spare
batteries and all seem to hold charge.

So it probably depends on the size of the battery, the chemistry and the
manufacturer.

NiMh and LIPO will in general be destroyed, but Nicad can take it.

Your avvin a laff, mate.
Even good quality NiCads would grow whiskers if they were left
discharged for any length of time.


Hum. Connect a charged NiCad in parallel and vaporise the whiskers:-)


I'm not sure a single cell would work with anything but newly formed
whiskers. I used to charge up a really big capacitor (5-10000 uF) to
around 20 volts and zap the whiskers with that. Once started, The
whiskers tend to re-form but if the cell is kept charged it will
usually auto-zap.


Don't know. Regular event with a nice portable Tektronix scope. Bench
use, plugged in to supply. Lab rules were that the bench power be
turned off at night!

By morning one or more cells would fail to take a charge.....

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On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:32:01 +0000, Scott wrote:

I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at least
three years.Â* I charged them all and found they do not seem to be
holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more than
five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


Does it matter

Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


My eneloops have lasted much longer than that.


My Sony NiMH AA batteries, marked "CycleEnergy", bought 2008
are doing fine. They are mostly used in my Caplio GX8 camera
that takes 2 AA batteries and have been recharged many times.

The Energiser NiMH AA rechargeables that were bought a few years
later go flat much more quickly and one made the intelligent
charger flag it as a bad cell, so that one has gone.

A good quality battery charger that doesn't overcharge is
probably a good idea, also, while they might be convenient
I suspect that 1 hour chargers shorten then lives of
rechargeables.


I wouldn't be surprised if they are less environmentally friendly than
regular disposable ones.



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On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 13:16:10 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Gave up using rechargeables for AA AAA batteries years ago. There's no
way they saved any money after buying the charger(s) and having the
batteries last for a few months.


My eneloops have lasted much longer than that.


My Sony NiMH AA batteries, marked "CycleEnergy", bought 2008
are doing fine. They are mostly used in my Caplio GX8 camera
that takes 2 AA batteries and have been recharged many times.

The Energiser NiMH AA rechargeables that were bought a few years
later go flat much more quickly and one made the intelligent
charger flag it as a bad cell, so that one has gone.

I had the occasional cell that a 'smart' charger didn't like. Still around
1.15V, so not deeply discharged. 5 min. on a 'dumb' charger and it would
then charge OK on the 'smart' one.

A good quality battery charger that doesn't overcharge is
probably a good idea, also, while they might be convenient
I suspect that 1 hour chargers shorten then lives of
rechargeables.


The Nicor defaults to 350mA on an AA; I set it to 150mA and let it have all
the time it needs. Thanks to this group, I learnt thas rapid charging is
bad.
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:32:07 UTC, Scott wrote:
I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?


NiCd & NiMH aren't worried by sitting flat. I'd charge them, not fit
them then fit them to the mouse a week later, see if they've self
discharged or whether they then run 5 minutes. Should narrow down the
problem. If they're self discharging quickly you can get a bit more
life by zapping them, but not much, they soon short out again. AAs &
AAAs are 2 for £1 at poundland anyway.


There is also the difference between good and lousy chargers.

At one time I discovered that the Panasonic cordless phone would charge
what the dedicated charger wouldnt charge properly.


We've have four Panasonic mobile phones bought about ten years ago.
Recently I had to change the batteries in two of them.
I thought that was pretty good.
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:32:07 UTC, Scott wrote:
I found a few rechargeable batteries that had not been used for at
least three years. I charged them all and found they do not seem to
be holding their charge (unable to power a cordless mouse for more
than five minutes).

Is this type of battery destroyed by being left discharged for a long
period or could it recover with a few more charges?

NiCd & NiMH aren't worried by sitting flat. I'd charge them, not fit
them then fit them to the mouse a week later, see if they've self
discharged or whether they then run 5 minutes. Should narrow down the
problem. If they're self discharging quickly you can get a bit more
life by zapping them, but not much, they soon short out again. AAs &
AAAs are 2 for £1 at poundland anyway.


There is also the difference between good and lousy chargers.

At one time I discovered that the Panasonic cordless phone would charge
what the dedicated charger wouldnt charge properly.


We've have four Panasonic mobile phones bought about ten years ago.
Recently I had to change the batteries in two of them.
I thought that was pretty good.


Yeah, they do the charger very well indeed.

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