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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 17:30:38, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. There is every chance there will be a Labour Liberal SNP alliance. BULL****. The seat predictions dont see any possibility of that happening, nowhere near enough seats for that. They fail by more than 100 seats to get that result. Even the polling estimates that have best outcomes for the Tories only predict 60 seat majority (which means that only 30 seats have to vote the other way for them to lose it.) tim |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. There is a strong campaign for that, But it wont produce anything even remotely like the 100 MPs necessary to produce that result, you watch. and there is some evidence that it is working. Bull**** there is. All it takes is for a few hundred people in a few tens of constituencies to switch their vote tactically It actually needs more than a hundred and Corbyn gets to be PM as head of a multi-party coalition . Taint gunna happen, if only because the LDs aint gunna have a coalition with Trots and Marxists. Now, were this just a case of people arguing "Boris is a horrible person, he isn't fit to be PM, bla bla bla" then it doesn't have a hope of working, because for the group of people who are being asked to switch their vote, the alternate to Boris - getting Corbyn as PM, is worse. And clearly not enough thought Boris was horrible enough to stop him being Mayor, twice. But it isn't that simple. There are millions of people in the county who are so rabidly against Brexit that, for them, there is no alternative that is worse than this. So a switch to voting tactically against Boris to avoid it is not an impossibility. Sure, but its not going be be enough to get 100 more MPs elected so that a Labour/LD coalition is viable with a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour party. And FTAOD, such tactical voting does not show up in polling as the sample size is too small Yes but 100 MPs is a hell of a lot of MPs to get that way. might be a very small chance, but there's still a chance Nope, none, you watch. Bet Labour does very badly I hope you are right it is still far from certain Dont by that with a Labour/LD coalition, The real question is whether Boris ends up with an absolute majority, a coalition or a minority govt. IMO there is a decent chance of a majority, but it could well not be given that the leave remain split is so close. |
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Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:56:48 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH senile asshole's troll**** It's ALL none of yours, you cretinous trolling senile pest from Oz! -- addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates your particular prowess at it every day." MID: |
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Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:15:37 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH more of the trolling senile asshole's troll**** Get the **** out of humans-only ngs, you filthy senile trolling idiot from Oz! -- Bill Wright to Rot Speed: "That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****." MID: |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 17:30:38, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. There is every chance there will be a Labour Liberal SNP alliance. BULL****. The seat predictions dont see any possibility of that happening, nowhere near enough seats for that. They fail by more than 100 seats to get that result. Even the polling estimates that have best outcomes for the Tories only predict 60 seat majority What matters is the number of Tory seats compared with Labour + LD and the fact that there is no way there is going to be any LD/Trot/Marxist coalition given that Corbyn has made it very clear that there wont be another referendum immediately. (which means that only 30 seats have to vote the other way for them to lose it.) Wrong,becaause most of the seats the LD gets will be coming from Labour. |
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"Richard" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 14:30, ARW wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Mine weighs 13kg. 13kg isn't what I'd class as excessively heavy. But then, it's our Dave. it's heavy enough to need secure wall fixings tim 6ltr AFFF, about 8kg. This plonker had my fixing tool box with red rawplugs/brown rawplugs/plasterboard fittings and different sizes of screws. Very well organised. He drilled the holes, shoved a plug in there and used a maybe 2 inch screw!!. Nobody had ever showed me how to do this, it just was not all that difficult. The big cheese in the very posh accountants was okay about it. |
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On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Any extinguisher that weighs too much for a person to lift is pretty useless. Things seem have changed. Seems that a "modern" 3ltr extinguisher now has the same fire rating as a 9ltr extinguisher. Personally I think that is a load of ********, but I'm retired and don't really care anymore. |
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Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 14:30, ARW wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Mine weighs 13kg. 13kg isn't what I'd class as excessively heavy. But then, it's our Dave. Which says you have zero experience fixing things to walls properly. With anything which is removed/replaced, there's more to the fixing than just the static weight. -- *Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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charles wrote: In article , tim... wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 14:30, ARW wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Mine weighs 13kg. 13kg isn't what I'd class as excessively heavy. But then, it's our Dave. it's heavy enough to need secure wall fixings Particulary if it's a plasterboard wall Quite. But then so many who post here know nothing about DIY or indeed life in practice. ;-) -- *Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 09/12/2019 08:35, tim... wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Fredxx" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 17:30:38, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill WrightÂ* wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. There is every chance there will be a Labour Liberal SNP alliance. BULL****. The seat predictions dont see any possibility of that happening, nowhere near enough seats for that. They fail by more than 100 seats to get that result. Even the polling estimates that have best outcomes for the Tories only predict 60 seat majority (which means that only 30 seats have to vote the other way for them to lose it.) tim And even more sadly is that about 30,000 voters in marginals will decide who governs the country. |
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On 09/12/2019 12:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 14:30, ARW wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Mine weighs 13kg. 13kg isn't what I'd class as excessively heavy. But then, it's our Dave. Which says you have zero experience fixing things to walls properly. With anything which is removed/replaced, there's more to the fixing than just the static weight. Oh dear. Your "I know everything everyone else is thinking and doing" module is malfunctioning again. Perhaps it's solar powered and requires your head to be out of your arse occasionally? |
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Richard wrote: A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Mine weighs 13kg. 13kg isn't what I'd class as excessively heavy. But then, it's our Dave. Which says you have zero experience fixing things to walls properly. With anything which is removed/replaced, there's more to the fixing than just the static weight. Oh dear. Your "I know everything everyone else is thinking and doing" module is malfunctioning again. Perhaps it's solar powered and requires your head to be out of your arse occasionally? And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. -- *With her marriage she got a new name and a dress.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 22:32:21 UTC, ARW wrote:
On 05/12/2019 22:16, Terry Casey wrote: In article , says... Why doesn't your boss give potential apprentices a simple test to find out if they have even the slightest knowledge of the subject they wish to be paid to learn about? You'd get charge with discrimination :-) I once asked one of them how old they were. Just myself and him in the same room so nothing too complicated. I think his answer was some sort of a question. Me "How old are you?" Apprentice "Who me?" I order components for the studetns via an on-line order form, when they come to collect their stuff I asked them who they are and most have to check who they are via their phone. It's easier just to not talk to some of them. I've been asked to buy some compasses for the group of students because they haven;t got compasses (the sort that draw circles) why does a uni have to supply students with such things , some don't even have pens or pencils. -- Adam |
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On 09/12/2019 16:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Richard wrote: A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Mine weighs 13kg. 13kg isn't what I'd class as excessively heavy. But then, it's our Dave. Which says you have zero experience fixing things to walls properly. With anything which is removed/replaced, there's more to the fixing than just the static weight. Oh dear. Your "I know everything everyone else is thinking and doing" module is malfunctioning again. Perhaps it's solar powered and requires your head to be out of your arse occasionally? And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed and the selection of extinguisher was appropriate for those who may have need to use it. I would also expect the know all in charge of the inappropriately trained individual to be aware of the limitations of his abilities. FFS Dave, *you're* the one who always blames the management. Get a grip, boy. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. it's not 100 30 would do it (you've forgotten the SDP) tim |
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Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:49:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Nope, you have forgotten that most of the seats that will change will be from, Labour to the LD, You have forgotten that it's all NONE OF YOURS, you clinically insane, senile trolling asshole from Australia! -- addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates your particular prowess at it every day." MID: |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. it's not 100 It is with the number of seats a Labour/LD coalition needs to have more seats than the Torys. 30 would do it Nope, because most of the seats that change would be from Labour to the LD and so wouldnt affect the total for a Labour/LD coalition. (you've forgotten the SDP) Nope, you have forgotten that most of the seats that will change will be from, Labour to the LD, Thats not anything like possible by tactical voting given that so few are into tactical voting. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, Yours is just wishful thinking, northing like reality. |
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writes On 08/12/2019 18:12, tim... wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright* wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is might be a very small chance, but there's still a chance tim Don't worry. We'll all get free everything. It is very simple - take money from the rich and give it to the poor. Eventually you will be poor enough to benefit from this process. But if you are rich to begin with surely the point of equilibrium will be reached before you get to benefit. -- bert |
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On 09/12/2019 06:46, Richard wrote:
On 08/12/2019 23:21, Steve Walker wrote: On 08/12/2019 18:02, Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Any extinguisher that weighs too much for a person to lift is pretty useless. I have seen in films, larger ones on trolleys, that can be moved to where needed, but not carried. I'm guessing that they aren't wall mounted prior to being manhandled onto the trolley. Not wall mounted and not manhandled. I was thinking of old B&W films with wartime aerodromes and the like. After I'd posted, I remembered that I'd also seen similar at a company I used to work for in the '90s - for when they were welding with portable sets in areas with a lot of oil around. A quick google brought up a current version https://tinyurl.com/wa2gpu3 SteveW |
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On 09/12/2019 22:20, Steve Walker wrote:
On 09/12/2019 06:46, Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 23:21, Steve Walker wrote: On 08/12/2019 18:02, Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Richard wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: I remember having an apprentice, he was 21. We were hanging fire extinguishers on the walls in a very posh accountants office. I asked him if he knew how to use a drill and a screwdriver. He said yes. I left him to it. The next day I had to go back as what he had done had fallen off the walls. He made me look like a right ****. Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. A fire extinguisher is not exactly heavy. That applies to all of them? Any extinguisher that weighs too much for a person to lift is pretty useless. I have seen in films, larger ones on trolleys, that can be moved to where needed, but not carried. I'm guessing that they aren't wall mounted prior to being manhandled onto the trolley. Not wall mounted and not manhandled. I was thinking of old B&W films with wartime aerodromes and the like. After I'd posted, I remembered that I'd also seen similar at a company I used to work for in the '90s - for when they were welding with portable sets in areas with a lot of oil around. A quick google brought up a current version https://tinyurl.com/wa2gpu3 Ah. That wasn't the mental image I had from your post. |
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On 09/12/2019 20:47, bert wrote:
In article , Richard writes On 08/12/2019 18:12, tim... wrote: Â* "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill WrightÂ* wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. Â*unfortunately, Â*there is Â*might be a very small chance, but there's still a chance Â*tim Don't worry. We'll all get free everything. It is very simple - take money from the rich and give it to the poor. Eventually you will be poor enough to benefit from this process. But if you are rich to begin with surely the point of equilibrium will be reached before you get to benefit. No. Poverty is a bottomless pit. |
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Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. -- *I have my own little world - but it's OK...they know me here* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. |
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Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. And anyone with any experience at all about fixing things to a wall wouldn't need a risk assessment to know what would be satisfactory or not. As I said, you are obviously totally lacking that. -- *Two wrongs are only the beginning * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 10/12/2019 14:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. And anyone with any experience at all about fixing things to a wall wouldn't need a risk assessment to know what would be satisfactory or not. As I said, you are obviously totally lacking that. It would seem that your stupidity is all encompassing, or you are simply being excessively obtuse. The person in charge of the unskilled chap who didn't properly do the job is to blame. He should have known that a Dave Plowman like individual was being tasked and should have acted accordingly. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. it's not 100 It is with the number of seats a Labour/LD coalition needs to have more seats than the Torys. 30 would do it Nope, because most of the seats that change would be from Labour to the LD and so wouldnt affect the total for a Labour/LD coalition. (you've forgotten the SDP) Um SNP SNP reckon that they can take 10 seats off the Tories Nope, you have forgotten that most of the seats that will change will be from, Labour to the LD, Nope, LD are in second place to the Tories in quite a few seats Thats not anything like possible by tactical voting given that so few are into tactical voting. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, let's hope we don't get to find out but if that is the only numbers that work, I won't be betting against it tim |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 09:39 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for almost TEN HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:39:50 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: senile troll**** 09:39!!!! LMAO! And you've been up and trollig since midnight, without ANY break, yet AGAIN! LOL It means you are so MISERABLE you can't even TRY to hide it, you senile pest! -- Keema Nam addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You are now exposed as a liar, as well as an ignorant troll." "MID: .com" |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. it's not 100 It is with the number of seats a Labour/LD coalition needs to have more seats than the Torys. 30 would do it Nope, because most of the seats that change would be from Labour to the LD and so wouldnt affect the total for a Labour/LD coalition. (you've forgotten the SDP) Um SNP SNP reckon that they can take 10 seats off the Tories And it remains to be seen if thats just more polly bull****. Nope, you have forgotten that most of the seats that will change will be from, Labour to the LD, Nope, LD are in second place to the Tories in quite a few seats What matters is the seats that can change party, not the total seats, Thats not anything like possible by tactical voting given that so few are into tactical voting. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, let's hope we don't get to find out We wont, you watch. Like I said, there are only 3 possibilitys, a majority Tory govt, a Tory coalition or a minority Tory govt. but if that is the only numbers that work, Thats wrong too. I won't be betting against it Irrelevant to what can happen. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. it's not 100 It is with the number of seats a Labour/LD coalition needs to have more seats than the Torys. 30 would do it Nope, because most of the seats that change would be from Labour to the LD and so wouldnt affect the total for a Labour/LD coalition. (you've forgotten the SDP) Um SNP SNP reckon that they can take 10 seats off the Tories And it remains to be seen if thats just more polly bull****. Nope, you have forgotten that most of the seats that will change will be from, Labour to the LD, Nope, LD are in second place to the Tories in quite a few seats What matters is the seats that can change party, not the total seats, those are the seats that can change party seats like Cheltenham Thats not anything like possible by tactical voting given that so few are into tactical voting. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, let's hope we don't get to find out We wont, you watch. Like I said, there are only 3 possibilitys, a majority Tory govt, a Tory coalition or a minority Tory govt. there is zero chance of a Tory coalition there is no one who will coalesce with them but if that is the only numbers that work, Thats wrong too. There are only two possible end results he A Tory Government A rag tag and bobtail collation government formed from Labour/SNP/LD/PC/Grn. Either of which could actually be a minority government because the N Irish MPs wont join with anybody (and can usually be expected not to turn up for any debate not actually affecting NI). I won't be betting against it Irrelevant to what can happen. of course it's not irrelevant the largest of those two choice above *will* be the next government. There is no chance that a Tory government which can be out voted by the combined strength of Labour+SNP+LD+PC+Grn could be formed, because all of the other parties are so vehemently against Boris and his policies Muddling through hoping that e.g. the LDs abstain just aint gonna work There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, As I said, I hope that we don't get to find out because if we do, I believe that you will be proven wrong. The LD have no other choice available to them they might extract some concessions, but they *will* back Labour if that's the way to a non-Tory government. |
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On 10/12/2019 14:34, Richard wrote:
On 10/12/2019 14:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. And anyone with any experience at all about fixing things to a wall wouldn't need a risk assessment to know what would be satisfactory or not. As I said, you are obviously totally lacking that. It would seem that your stupidity is all encompassing, or you are simply being excessively obtuse. The person in charge of the unskilled chap who didn't properly do the job is to blame. In this case I totally agree:-))) -- Adam |
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On 11/12/2019 17:50, ARW wrote:
On 10/12/2019 14:34, Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 14:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. And anyone with any experience at all about fixing things to a wall wouldn't need a risk assessment to know what would be satisfactory or not. As I said, you are obviously totally lacking that. It would seem that your stupidity is all encompassing, or you are simply being excessively obtuse. The person in charge of the unskilled chap who didn't properly do the job is to blame. In this case I totally agree:-))) Thanks. At least one person who understands. |
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Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 14:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. And anyone with any experience at all about fixing things to a wall wouldn't need a risk assessment to know what would be satisfactory or not. As I said, you are obviously totally lacking that. It would seem that your stupidity is all encompassing, or you are simply being excessively obtuse. The person in charge of the unskilled chap who didn't properly do the job is to blame. Which is pretty well what I said in the first place before you started with your mess of red herrings. -- *I get enough exercise just pushing my luck. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 11/12/2019 18:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 14:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: On 10/12/2019 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Richard wrote: And perhaps you'd find out exactly how much that extinguisher weighed before attempting to fix it to the wall with your usual blu tack. *I* certainly would. YMMV The post was about a person who did the job wrong when attempting to install an extinguisher in an office. I had assumed that the job would have been properly risk assessed Like I said. One who know nothing about DIY. So in your world, someone tasked with installing fire extinguishers in a professional role is simply doing DIY? Explains a lot about you. And anyone with any experience at all about fixing things to a wall wouldn't need a risk assessment to know what would be satisfactory or not. As I said, you are obviously totally lacking that. It would seem that your stupidity is all encompassing, or you are simply being excessively obtuse. The person in charge of the unskilled chap who didn't properly do the job is to blame. Which is pretty well what I said in the first place before you started with your mess of red herrings. Yeah, right. |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 09:35 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for SEVEN HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:35:33 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: senile troll**** 09:35??? LMAO So you've been up and trolling for SEVEN HOURS, ALL night long, yet again, you clinically insane senile pest! Do you really feel NO shame AT ALL? You know, that IS indicative of psychopathy! -- Bill Wright to Rot Speed: "That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****." MID: |
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"tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "tim..." wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 04:14, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 14:35, Richard wrote: On 07/12/2019 12:46, Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 09:43, wrote: On Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:58:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote: I'm old enough to remember Window Tax. But you wuz too poor to 'ave windows :-) Owain We had the windows but not the glass. Bill Better than having the glass and no windows. No because you could sell the glass and buy shoes. Corbyns new window tax is really going to hurt some people. Nope, because there is no chance that he will be the govt. unfortunately, there is Dont believe it. The issue is the possibility of tactical voting by some to avoid letting Boris become PM. There isnt even remotely enough tactical voting to make up for the need for 100 more seats for a Labour/LD coalition to do better than the Torys. it's not 100 It is with the number of seats a Labour/LD coalition needs to have more seats than the Torys. 30 would do it Nope, because most of the seats that change would be from Labour to the LD and so wouldnt affect the total for a Labour/LD coalition. (you've forgotten the SDP) Um SNP SNP reckon that they can take 10 seats off the Tories And it remains to be seen if thats just more polly bull****. Nope, you have forgotten that most of the seats that will change will be from, Labour to the LD, Nope, LD are in second place to the Tories in quite a few seats What matters is the seats that can change party, not the total seats, those are the seats that can change party Nope, too much gap between the Torys and the LD, you watch. seats like Cheltenham There arent quite a few seats like that. Thats not anything like possible by tactical voting given that so few are into tactical voting. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, let's hope we don't get to find out We wont, you watch. Like I said, there are only 3 possibilitys, a majority Tory govt, a Tory coalition or a minority Tory govt. there is zero chance of a Tory coalition We'll see... Bet there is if there is a real possibility of a Labour govt. there is no one who will coalesce with them Thats bull**** with the DUP alone. but if that is the only numbers that work, Thats wrong too. There are only two possible end results he A Tory Government A rag tag and bobtail collation government formed from Labour/SNP/LD/PC/Grn. Taint gunna happen. There is no way that the LD will have a coalition with the rabid Trot/Marxist Labour, you watch. SNP either given that Corbyn wont agree to another scottish referendum any time soon and wont even say if he is for or against leaving. The rest are completely irrelevant. And Labour wont get enough seats anyway, you watch. Either of which could actually be a minority government Yes, that is certainly a real possibility. because the N Irish MPs wont join with anybody How odd that they did. The other fools dont even bother to show up in parliament and so are completely irrelevant. (and can usually be expected not to turn up for any debate not actually affecting NI). But brexit does. I won't be betting against it Irrelevant to what can happen. of course it's not irrelevant Of course how you personally will be voting is completely irrelevant to the outcome. the largest of those two choice above *will* be the next government. But how you personally have voted wont. There is no chance that a Tory government which can be out voted by the combined strength of Labour+SNP+LD+PC+Grn Thats never going to happen and didnt. could be formed, because all of the other parties are so vehemently against Boris and his policies Thats bull**** too. Muddling through hoping that e.g. the LDs abstain just aint gonna work That coalition of yours isnt going to either. There is never going to be a coalition between a rabid Trot/Marxist Labour and the LD, As I said, I hope that we don't get to find out because if we do, I believe that you will be proven wrong. I know you will be. The LD have no other choice available to them Corse they do, see how a minority Tory govt works out. And that wont even have to do that if its a majority Tory govt. they might extract some concessions, No chance with Corbyn. but they *will* back Labour if that's the way to a non-Tory government. Taint gunna happen, you watch. |
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Richard wrote: Which is pretty well what I said in the first place before you started with your mess of red herrings. Yeah, right. Forgot you have the memory of a goldfish. So here is a reminder for you. From: Dave Plowman (News) Subject: Adam's apprentices Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:45 Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y Fixing something heavy to a wall is not something I'd leave to anyone, unless I was certain they knew how to do such a job. -- *If you don't pay your exorcist you get repossessed.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:43:33 UTC, GB wrote:
Adam's apprentices have apparently banded together and formed a scaffolding firm here in London. This one can't even use a pogo stick https://uk.news.yahoo.com/moment-ele...094800011.html Cara Gormley, 19, filmed her boyfriend Declan McEwan, 19, attempt to jump on the toy. (If she's Gormley, does that make him Gormless?) Owain |
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