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And where is that reliably working in our universe?


Everywhere. Its why birth rates are dropping EVERYWHERE


Which is a BLATANT LIE, you clinically insane "expert" in EVERYTHING! tsk

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 14:03:13 +1100, Ray wrote:

... flu ...

Not been a really nasty or virulent strain for 50 odd years. Asian

in
the late 50's? Before that the 1918 Spanish. With a new and

virulent
strain one sneeze by an infected person on a plane and the whole
plane goes down with it, potentially spreading it across the globe

in
very short time. SARS is still lurking in the background...


But we know how to do isolation now and keep its spread in check.


For how many? I doubt the UK could cope with properly isolating a few
hundred people from a plane.


Of course they could with a real emergency like the Spanish Flu produced.

That did happen with SARS in asia.

That's assuming you could track them down and all their contacts since...


That has been done when necessary like when
one paramedic ended up in the USA with ebola.

People would have to be ordered to self isolate in their homes but
would need supplies bringing to them. A small number of those ordered
wouldn't comply 100% "it won't hurt to nip to the shop for a packet
of fags and some tinnies"...


Yes, but SARS isolation did work well enough.

... and even ebola can't do it anymore.

It has a damn good try fairly often and is controlled almost

entirely
by physical means.


Yes, but controlled well that way so we never see a result like we got
with the black death anymore.

These are all virus based. Don't underestimate simple bacterial
infection. I doubt many here have memory of what an infection
really meant before the days of penicillin and modern antibiotics.


Yes, but those don't produce the result seen with black death either.

An minor cut finger could easly lead to the amputation of that

finger.

But with not enough people affect to wipe out humans.

The huge tuberculosis isolation hospitals where all being closed

down
when I was a lad.


Because the chemical treatment had been developed.

We don't get a problem with cholera or smallpox or polio anymore either


Those are all old diseases. Vaccination over many decades has
eliminated smallpox and almost eliminated polio. Cholera is still a
serious problem where there is poor santitation.


Yes, but doesn't have any real effect on the population numbers.
That's what we are discussing, whether that can wipe out the
human race. No chance, even the black death didn't, just radically
changed society at the time and only in western europe.

The threat doesn't come from these old, known, diseases but
from something new and novel jumping the species barrier.


Yes, but we clearly can handle that well with SARS, HIV.AIDS and ebola.

If that something just happens to be virulent nd easy to transfer with
modern rapid transport it could be all over the world in a very few days.
Well before it is recognised and *any* controlling action taken.


But still handlable with radical isolation.





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Of course they could with a real emergency like the Spanish Flu produced.

That did happen with SARS in asia.


Now ALSO an expert in all kinds of diseases, you clinically insane trolling
senile asshole from Oz? ROTFLOL

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Japan, Italy... most first world countries have declining birth rates.


Requiring the importation of people to fill the voids.


Not with Japan.


Someone answered that already eight hours earlier, you clinically insane
senile idiot! Just what in hell makes you believe anyone's answer will only
be valid when YOU confirm it, you self-opinionated, self-important senile
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"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Ray wrote:

"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 07:35:04 +0000, Richard wrote:

The right thing is sustainable population. That doesn't mean enough
food
to feed the pestilence, it means a population that does not
adversely
affect the balance.

+1

The right thing to do is cull several billion, but that is deemed
extreme.

Only because no one wants to decide who would be culled or if you
just let people die, who should be allowed to have children.

Natural calamities will just have to do, or a new top level predator
might be cool.

Natures working on it. Won't be some thing with pointy teeth that
leaps out and eats you but something we can't see, like a bacteria or
virus (or group of).

The only way to control population growth (and a quite reliable one) is
to enable a population to have enough food to eat, shelter, education,
employment and health care to feel secure.


That isnt the way China and Japan did it.

And doesn't explain why the first world had one hell of a birth
rate after WW2 had ended and now none of the modern first
world is even self replacing now if you take out immigration.


Yes it does! War is not compatible with security.


That's nor the reason for the drop in the birth rate during the war. That
was due to so many being separated for their spouses during the war.

Or why that is true of most of the second world with the main
exception being some of the roman catholic countries and muslim
countries.



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Yes it does! War is not compatible with security.


That's nor the reason for the drop in the birth rate during the war. That
was due to so many being separated for their spouses during the war.


LOL SOURCE, other than your "all-knowing" senile "mind", you senile bull****
artist?

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On 02/12/2019 22:23, Rod Speed wrote:
Pancho wrote
Roger Hayter wrote


The only way to control population growth (and a quite reliable one)
is to enable a population to have enough food to eat, shelter,
education, employment and health care to feel secure.


The only one?


Yeah,, that’s mad.

Off the top of my head...


War,


Even WW1 and WW2 didn’t have much effect on that.

Or even the Vietnam war on the population of vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vietnam.

Pestilence,


Its only the black death that has much of an effect
like* that, presumably because people keep ****ing.

Famine


Ditto.


OK, famine, war, pestilence are the mechanisms that have controlled
human populations over the vast majority of human existence. All animal
populations tend to reach a point where further expansion is stopped by
lack of resources, this may be a steady equilibrium or a crash.

In (very) recent times expansion of resources has exceeded the rate of
population growth. But this is only in the last few hundred years, in
the first world, much less in the third world.

If population growth were to continue to grow we could reasonably expect
limiting pressure from resource limitation to reassert itself. Indeed,
you might already consider that the green movements are the start of
this pressure.

If you are to interpret these answers in the context of the question how
to limit population growth in the immediate future (30 years or so) I
grant you they are weak. Although, Thermonuclear war is still a very
real danger, which might reduce both population and resources.
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Pancho wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Pancho wrote
Roger Hayter wrote


The only way to control population growth (and a quite reliable one) is
to enable a population to have enough food to eat, shelter, education,
employment and health care to feel secure.


The only one?


Yeah,, that’s mad.


Off the top of my head...


War,


Even WW1 and WW2 didn’t have much effect on that.


Or even the Vietnam war on the population of vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vietnam.


Pestilence,


Its only the black death that has much of an effect
like that, presumably because people keep ****ing.


Famine


Ditto.


OK, famine, war, pestilence are the mechanisms that have controlled human
populations over the vast majority of human existence.


But clearly don’t much anymore given that even HIV/AIDS
hasn’t has much effect on population even in africa.

All animal populations tend to reach a point where further expansion is
stopped by lack of resources, this may be a steady equilibrium or a crash.


Humans work differently to that.

In (very) recent times expansion of resources has exceeded the rate of
population growth. But this is only in the last few hundred years, in the
first world, much less in the third world.


That’s not really true now the third world.

If population growth were to continue to grow


Its already dropping EVERYWHERE now except where
the birth rate is right down in the noise already,.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#1950_and_2015

And the TOTAL of India and China, by far the two most
populous countrys isnt even self replacing now.

we could reasonably expect limiting pressure from resource limitation to
reassert itself.


Not anymore.

Indeed, you might already consider that the green movements are the start
of this pressure.


They don’t have any effect on populations.

If you are to interpret these answers in the context of the question how
to limit population growth in the immediate future (30 years or so) I
grant you they are weak. Although, Thermonuclear war is still a very real
danger,


No its not. It was never going to happen.

which might reduce both population and resources.


Not going to with resources.

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03:26??? No intention of getting back to bed again, you clinically insane,
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