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Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so).. What does the team think? |
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What I have done is:
Ring circuit for the above counter sockets on a 32A RCBO Another Ring circuit for the utility room washing machine, the under counter dishwasher, freezer and fridge on switched fused neon connection unit wallplates on a 32A RCBO. S. |
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The two ring thing sounds ideal, but I cant easily get a second 2.5mm into the kitchen in order order to make a ring (I could possibly use a pre existing unused 6mm for half of the ring, but Id rather save that cable for possible future projects.)
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Thanks ADam, The Bumble is more difficult to get the radial to, but not impossible (Its not been switched on yet, but is perceived to be the last straw that might break the camels MCB).
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On 30/09/2019 17:56, wrote:
Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. Ignore the kettle and toaster since they are very short term loads in most domestic situations. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? Can't see any benefit to be honest. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Monday, 30 September 2019 17:56:26 UTC+1, wrote:
I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? I wouldn't. A wishdosher and a wothesclosher running together are likely to be more than 20A, albeit for a shortish period of time. In fact they probably shouldn't share a double socket. Put everything on a 32A ring and you have diversity as long as the ring is correctly laid out and not lopsided with everything bunched together at one end. If you have an electric cooker and can plug the kettle into the cooker control unit socket that gets a short-term 3kW load off the ring, if you're anxious. And means you can make a brew when the kitchen ring is off :-) Owain |
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On Monday, 30 September 2019 17:56:26 UTC+1, wrote:
Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? Are you getting mcb trips? If not... 32A rings routinely supply much more than 32A. NT |
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 21:29:16 +0100, wrote:
On Monday, 30 September 2019 17:56:26 UTC+1, wrote: I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? I wouldn't. A wishdosher and a wothesclosher running together are likely to be more than 20A, albeit for a shortish period of time. In fact they probably shouldn't share a double socket. Double sockets really should be able to handle 26A. MK ones can I believe. It should be illegal to make one that can't. Quite likely for someone, especially in a kitchen, to use two 13A loads for a long time. Put everything on a 32A ring and you have diversity as long as the ring is correctly laid out and not lopsided with everything bunched together at one end. If you have an electric cooker and can plug the kettle into the cooker control unit socket that gets a short-term 3kW load off the ring, if you're anxious. And means you can make a brew when the kitchen ring is off :-) |
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 22:07:17 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
was thinking very hard : Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. Diversity! Is stupidity. You never know what you're going to use at once in he future. |
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I'd love a wishdosher, what do they do?
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! wrote in message ... Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think that's most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? |
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On 30/09/2019 21:04, newshound wrote:
On 30/09/2019 17:56, wrote: Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial.Â* I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? OK I don't have the tumble dryer, but I have the rest (and more) and have never blown the MCB. We had our kitchen refitted several years back and part of the package included a CU upgrade and adding radials for extra oven, induction hob etc. We've got radials for each oven (2), induction hob (1), the dishwasher and a fridge, a freeze, plus the sockets etc on a shared ring which also serves the dining room. The washing machine is elsewhere (in a utility area). We've never had a problem. One oven is a 'combi' (microwave +oven) - although we rarely use the uWave. We use a free standing uWave to heat milk mainly for coffee etc. |
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Brian Gaff wrote
I'd love a wishdosher, Well you cant have one, you have been a very naughty boy, as always. what do they do? They take you wishes and turn them into dosh, silly. No go to your room until you can behave yourself. wrote in message ... Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think that's most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial. I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? |
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On 01/10/2019 10:11, Brian Reay wrote:
On 30/09/2019 21:04, newshound wrote: On 30/09/2019 17:56, wrote: Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial.Â* I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? OK I don't have the tumble dryer, but I have the rest (and more) and have never blown the MCB. We had our kitchen refitted several years back and part of the package included a CU upgrade and adding radials for extra oven, induction hob etc.Â* We've got radials for each oven (2), induction hob (1), the dishwasher and a fridge, a freeze, plus the sockets etc on a shared ring which also serves the dining room. The washing machine is elsewhere (in a utility area). We've never had a problem. One oven is a 'combi' (microwave +oven) - although we rarely use the uWave. We use a free standing uWave to heat milk mainly for coffee etc. You've 5 radials for the kitchen?!? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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wrote: Put everything on a 32A ring and you have diversity as long as the ring is correctly laid out and not lopsided with everything bunched together at one end. So you're saying the cable at the other end might as well not be there? -- *The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Brian Reay wrote: We had our kitchen refitted several years back and part of the package included a CU upgrade and adding radials for extra oven, induction hob etc. We've got radials for each oven (2), induction hob (1), the dishwasher and a fridge, a freeze, plus the sockets etc on a shared ring which also serves the dining room. The washing machine is elsewhere (in a utility area). We've never had a problem. One oven is a 'combi' (microwave +oven) - although we rarely use the uWave. We use a free standing uWave to heat milk mainly for coffee etc. Why would you install a radial for things like a fridge and freezer? -- *I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tuesday, 1 October 2019 10:37:52 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Put everything on a 32A ring and you have diversity as long as the ring is correctly laid out and not lopsided with everything bunched together at one end. So you're saying the cable at the other end might as well not be there? No I'm not, but you want to avoid more than two-thirds / one-third imbalance at maximum load. Owain |
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wrote: On Tuesday, 1 October 2019 10:37:52 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Put everything on a 32A ring and you have diversity as long as the ring is correctly laid out and not lopsided with everything bunched together at one end. So you're saying the cable at the other end might as well not be there? No I'm not, but you want to avoid more than two-thirds / one-third imbalance at maximum load. For how long? Remember rings are designed for transient loading. If you have a high long term load like say a water heater or space heating, you use a dedicated radial. -- *Dancing is a perpendicular expression of a horizontal desire * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Why would you install a radial for things like a fridge and freezer? To minimise the chance of the circuit protection tripping and defrosting the freezer contents. I have a dedicated circuit running the freezer in the garage for just this reason. -- Chris Green · |
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Hmmm......
I am wavering between leaving it all on the ring.... Nah! Putting in two radials (one on each aforementioned T&E, fed by RCBOs. One for the Bumble, and one for the F/F. |
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Having the freezer and fridge on its own radial and hence its own RCBO means higher integrity when other circuits open their MCB or RCD...... And no spoiled food to throw away!
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wrote: Having the freezer and fridge on its own radial and hence its own RCBO means higher integrity when other circuits open their MCB or RCD...... And no spoiled food to throw away! Do MCBs etc in your house often trip when you're out? In some ways you're less likely to notice this happen if you have a dedicated circuit for the freezer. -- *Starfishes have no brains * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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MCBs rarely trip in my house, nor RCDs or RCBOs.
But, all kitchen sockets are currently on the same RCD (though a different MCB) to the 16A socket in the garden which has a 16 A extension cable plugged into it 24/7. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Brian Reay wrote: We had our kitchen refitted several years back and part of the package included a CU upgrade and adding radials for extra oven, induction hob etc. We've got radials for each oven (2), induction hob (1), the dishwasher and a fridge, a freeze, plus the sockets etc on a shared ring which also serves the dining room. The washing machine is elsewhere (in a utility area). We've never had a problem. One oven is a 'combi' (microwave +oven) - although we rarely use the uWave. We use a free standing uWave to heat milk mainly for coffee etc. Why would you install a radial for things like a fridge and freezer? They are in the ring. Perhaps it is list isnt clear. There are 3 radials, 2 ovens + 1 hob, and a ring. The ring also covers some other sockets in the dining room and, I think, one in the hall. |
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In article , briang1
@blueyonder.co.uk says... I'd love a wishdosher, what do they do? Brian Dosh wishes, of course! -- Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tuesday, 1 October 2019 12:14:54 UTC+1, wrote:
I am wavering between leaving it all on the ring.... Nah! Putting in two radials (one on each aforementioned T&E, fed by RCBOs. One for the Bumble, and one for the F/F. If you join the ends of those radials together you can make a 32A ring. And save the cost of a second RCBO. Owain |
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Yeah, maybe a second very small ring is the way to go....
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On 01/10/2019 10:30, Robin wrote:
On 01/10/2019 10:11, Brian Reay wrote: On 30/09/2019 21:04, newshound wrote: On 30/09/2019 17:56, wrote: Hi All, Current load on kitchen ring 32A MCB) is Wishdosher, washing machine, tumble drier, fridge freezer, kettle, toaster, microwave, I think thats most of the regular appliances. I was wondering about moving say the wishdosher and washing machine onto a radial.Â* I could easily reroute an unused 2.5mm T&E into the kitchen and connect the other end to a new 16 or 20 A MCB (or have a part P person do so). What does the team think? OK I don't have the tumble dryer, but I have the rest (and more) and have never blown the MCB. We had our kitchen refitted several years back and part of the package included a CU upgrade and adding radials for extra oven, induction hob etc.Â* We've got radials for each oven (2), induction hob (1), the dishwasher and a fridge, a freeze, plus the sockets etc on a shared ring which also serves the dining room. The washing machine is elsewhere (in a utility area). We've never had a problem. One oven is a 'combi' (microwave +oven) - although we rarely use the uWave. We use a free standing uWave to heat milk mainly for coffee etc. You've 5 radials for the kitchen?!? TMH's daughter got three. Oven, hob and fridge freezer. Four if you count the boiler (not a kitchen appliance but it is in the kitchen). All RCBOs in a 3 bed terraced house. -- Adam |
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Hmm... Then again, Ive just remembered a lightly loaded existing circuit passes through the loft over the kitchen.....
Perhaps Ill spur the bumble off that, and add a separate Socket for the F/F on RCBO using the spare 2.5T&E at a future date. (Yes, I know it would probably never trip the ring MCB if it stayed where it was (unless we plug the cement mixer in at the same time), but Id rather not have the circuit stretched. (Especially as Im unsure of its precise topology, etc). |
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On 01/10/2019 13:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: Having the freezer and fridge on its own radial and hence its own RCBO means higher integrity when other circuits open their MCB or RCD...... And no spoiled food to throw away! Do MCBs etc in your house often trip when you're out? In some ways you're less likely to notice this happen if you have a dedicated circuit for the freezer. You said freezer and not fridge freezer. -- Adam |
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On Tuesday, 1 October 2019 22:19:27 UTC+1, wrote:
(Yes, I know it would probably never trip the ring MCB if it stayed where it was (unless we plug the cement mixer in at the same time) That's a serious kitchen appliance. Or a euphemism for your wife's cake making? Owain |
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On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 00:30:36 -0700, spuorgelgoog wrote:
On Tuesday, 1 October 2019 22:19:27 UTC+1, wrote: (Yes, I know it would probably never trip the ring MCB if it stayed where it was (unless we plug the cement mixer in at the same time) That's a serious kitchen appliance. Or a euphemism for your wife's cake making? Make-up. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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ARW wrote: You've 5 radials for the kitchen?!? TMH's daughter got three. Oven, hob and fridge freezer. Do you need separate radials for oven and hob, rather than one suitably rated for both? -- *Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
ARW wrote: On 01/10/2019 13:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , wrote: Having the freezer and fridge on its own radial and hence its own RCBO means higher integrity when other circuits open their MCB or RCD...... And no spoiled food to throw away! Do MCBs etc in your house often trip when you're out? In some ways you're less likely to notice this happen if you have a dedicated circuit for the freezer. You said freezer and not fridge freezer. The OP didn't say fridge freezer either. ;-) -- *Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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