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On 27/09/2019 14:10, Andy Burns wrote:
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We have an incinerator opening soon and the offer of "tours". This
will be one of my questions!


Will an incinerator care that much about what plastics are separated,
provided it burns?


They try to avoid plastics as they can produce dioxins if the flue temp
is wrong.
You don't want dioxins in the environment with you.
This is why you shouldn't just burn your own rubbish with plastics in.


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On 27/09/2019 15:16, John Rumm wrote:
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On 26/09/2019 12:41, John Rumm wrote:
Yup you have to be careful with our non recylceables bin - its the
same height and depth as a full sized bin, but only about two thirds
the width. Net result it has a tendency to want to tip to the side
when wheeled over rough ground, and try and twist your wrist off!


try pushing it with both hands :-)


Pushing does not really work over uneven ground...


Do a Barry Bucknell, add some really big wheels, like
the ones he put on his tea-trolley :-)
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On 27/09/2019 14:10, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

We have an incinerator opening soon and the offer of "tours". This
will be one of my questions!


Will an incinerator care that much about what plastics are separated,
provided it burns?


They try to avoid plastics as they can produce dioxins if the flue temp
is wrong.
You don't want dioxins in the environment with you.
This is why you shouldn't just burn your own rubbish with plastics in.


Aren't modern incinerators designed to run so hot that hardly a single
carbon atom escapes unoxidised?

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On 27/09/2019 21:20, Roger Hayter wrote:
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On 27/09/2019 14:10, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

We have an incinerator opening soon and the offer of "tours". This
will be one of my questions!

Will an incinerator care that much about what plastics are separated,
provided it burns?


They try to avoid plastics as they can produce dioxins if the flue temp
is wrong.
You don't want dioxins in the environment with you.
This is why you shouldn't just burn your own rubbish with plastics in.


Aren't modern incinerators designed to run so hot that hardly a single
carbon atom escapes unoxidised?

Yup. Its not hard to decompose dioxins
Just get it hot enough

The greater probvlem AIUI is not carbon and hydrogen, its things like
sulphurous and nitrous oxides, trace heavy metal oxides and so on


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Our recycling scheme will take boxes with windows still in place...



Where my friends live cardboard (boxes) has to be free of the packing
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On 27/09/2019 16:21, Andrew wrote:
On 27/09/2019 15:16, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/09/2019 13:59, Andrew wrote:
On 26/09/2019 12:41, John Rumm wrote:
Yup you have to be careful with our non recylceables bin - its the
same height and depth as a full sized bin, but only about two thirds
the width. Net result it has a tendency to want to tip to the side
when wheeled over rough ground, and try and twist your wrist off!


try pushing it with both hands :-)


Pushing does not really work over uneven ground...


Do a Barry Bucknell, add some really big wheels, like
the ones he put on his tea-trolley :-)


Off road wheely bin, now I like the sound of that :-)

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On Saturday, 28 September 2019 14:12:39 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/09/2019 16:21, Andrew wrote:
On 27/09/2019 15:16, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/09/2019 13:59, Andrew wrote:
On 26/09/2019 12:41, John Rumm wrote:


Yup you have to be careful with our non recylceables bin - its the
same height and depth as a full sized bin, but only about two thirds
the width. Net result it has a tendency to want to tip to the side
when wheeled over rough ground, and try and twist your wrist off!


try pushing it with both hands :-)

Pushing does not really work over uneven ground...


Do a Barry Bucknell, add some really big wheels, like
the ones he put on his tea-trolley :-)


Off road wheely bin, now I like the sound of that :-)


Suggest it to Colin Furze


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My garden waste recycling bin is often brim full and compacted by
two-foot-power, and gets very heavy, but the lorry seems to cope OK.
Having said that, the bin has split down one side, I suspect due to my
overly enthusiastic compaction methods, and I've 'stitched' it to hold
it together, so the OP needs to be careful he doesn't over-do the
compaction.

It's been a long time since I read them, but I think that my local
council's instructions are that the contents should not be compacted in
any way. Obviously, you take that with a large grain of salt. It warns
about making the bin too heavy.

If I know there's going to be a lot to go in, I compact mine bit-by-bit
as I fill it up, with the blade of spade (the bit you first stick in the
soil - ie I don't whack it). However, I do think about the collection
guys who have to wheel it, and try not to obviously overdo the
compaction - but there have been occasions when I could hardly move it
myself.


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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.

I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.


What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.

All supermarket sandwich containers now seem to be made of cardboard
with a polythene film laminated all over it, like takeaway coffee
cups, so cannot be recycled in most places.



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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.
I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.


What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.

All supermarket sandwich containers now seem to be made of cardboard
with a polythene film laminated all over it, like takeaway coffee
cups, so cannot be recycled in most places.


I should have added 'in your own garden compost bin'. The council might
not realise it's compostable if you put it in your garden waste bin.
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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.
I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.


What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.


But unless its clearly marked as such, you cant really assume it. FWIW
Ive never seen anything labelled on food packaging as starch based
cellophane.

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Ian Jackson wrote:
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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.
I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.


What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.


But unless its clearly marked as such, you cant really assume it. FWIW
Ive never seen anything labelled on food packaging as starch based
cellophane.


"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. But
cellophane should be recyclable - it is made of cellulose - hence its name.

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In message , Andrew
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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.
I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.


What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.

All supermarket sandwich containers now seem to be made of cardboard
with a polythene film laminated all over it, like takeaway coffee
cups, so cannot be recycled in most places.


I should have added 'in your own garden compost bin'. The council might
not realise it's compostable if you put it in your garden waste bin.

Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin. I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.



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Ian Jackson wrote:
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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.
I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.

What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.


But unless itŒs clearly marked as such, you canŒt really assume it. FWIW
IŒve never seen anything labelled on food packaging as starch based
cellophane.


"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. But
cellophane should be recyclable - it is made of cellulose - hence its name.


But many things we think might be cellophane are probably PVC.

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On 26/09/2019 13:19, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 September 2019 17:00:46 UTC+1, Andrew wrote:

Glass bottles, just smash them up. Not much comes in glass these
days anyway unless you are wino.


you're not suposed to put broken glass in recycle bins because of the risk to collectors.


What risk? The bins are wheeled, with the lid closed; picked up by the
machine and emptied into the wagon - glass is likely to break during
tipping into the wagon anyway.


No idea that's what I was told so I haven't done it.
But when they say broken glass I'd always assumed they meant window type glass rather than bottle glass.
But as most of my glass is bottles then it's not a problem for me.

What is a problem is them not reclying wood in the green bins.
You'd think small pieces of wood would be OK.







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On Monday, 30 September 2019 14:22:58 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
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In message , Andrew
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On 26/09/2019 11:04, alan_m wrote:
On 25/09/2019 17:25, Andrew wrote:

You can mulch up cardboard with other green waste and simply
compost it along with whatever vegetarian animal poo you
have access to.
I compost card but am finding these days more card has a plastic
film layer which doesn't compost. There also seems to be a lot of
waxed card which is somewhat waterproof and takes a long time to
break down in a compost heap.


Yes, annoying. Higgidy pies still have plastic windows that can be
pulled off and recycled with bread bags etc (where possible) leaving
the cardboard to be recycled as normal. They even have the instructions
on the box !.

What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.

All supermarket sandwich containers now seem to be made of cardboard
with a polythene film laminated all over it, like takeaway coffee
cups, so cannot be recycled in most places.

I should have added 'in your own garden compost bin'. The council might
not realise it's compostable if you put it in your garden waste bin.

Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin. I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.


I'd think them being fake-claim products more likely.


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What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.


But unless its clearly marked as such, you cant really assume it. FWIW
Ive never seen anything labelled on food packaging as starch based
cellophane.


"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...


Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]

The substance caused me to finger it in a kind of wonder, perhaps as a
caveman might have handled a cashmere sweater: what _is_ this strange
substance? How was it made? How can it be "potato starch", when it feels
so much like tough polythene? [These are all rhetorical questions chaps:
I don't care to know.]

I also noticed that it seemed to be a patented product, made in Austria.
So what's the "carbon footprint" for that, then, Mr Clever-Clogs NT?

John


[1] I use "school-marmish" in the old fashioned sense: I'd be quite
surprised if any teacher has dared to be actually bossy, or even
authoritative, in the last decade or so.

[2] And secondly, having almost mastered the art and science of putting
the right things in the right bins over several years years, many people
will undoubtedly carefully place this wrapper into the rubbish bin,
thinking it to be polythene. Will the recycling police call round?! 8-O
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"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...


Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]


An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence. :-(

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"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...


Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]


An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence. :-(


Another one to be aware of if your council collects food waste. The
popular starch based bags dont digest in the anaerobic digesters all have
to be screened out as the digesters dont get hot enough to break them
down. The bags make a nuisance of themselves as that clog up the blades of
the bag bursting machines. Unlike other plastics the bags stretch like
chewing gum around the blades and have to be frequently manually removed.

The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately keen to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.

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Chris J Dixon wrote:
Another John wrote:

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charles wrote:


"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...

Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]


An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence. :-(


Another one to be aware of if your council collects food waste. The
popular starch based bags dont digest in the anaerobic digesters all have
to be screened out as the digesters dont get hot enough to break them
down. The bags make a nuisance of themselves as that clog up the blades of
the bag bursting machines. Unlike other plastics the bags stretch like
chewing gum around the blades and have to be frequently manually removed.

The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately keen to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.

I'll tell my wife that. She saves the compostable sleeves from magazines
etc especially for food waste (not that we often have any).

But as for them not composting very quickly, in my own garden compost
bins I find they disintegrate quite soon.




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What appears to be un-recyclable cellophane is being increasingly made
from starch - and can be recycled.


A nightmare for the recycling industry. Contaminate a recyclable
load with that and the whole lot goes to landfill or incinerator.
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Chris J Dixon wrote:
Another John wrote:

In article ,
charles wrote:


"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...

Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]


An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence. :-(


Another one to be aware of if your council collects food waste. The
popular starch based bags dont digest in the anaerobic digesters all have
to be screened out as the digesters dont get hot enough to break them
down. The bags make a nuisance of themselves as that clog up the blades of
the bag bursting machines. Unlike other plastics the bags stretch like
chewing gum around the blades and have to be frequently manually removed.

The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately keen to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.

Tim




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Chris J Dixon wrote:
Another John wrote:

In article ,
charles wrote:


"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...

Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]


An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence. :-(


Another one to be aware of if your council collects food waste. The
popular starch based bags dont digest in the anaerobic digesters all have
to be screened out as the digesters dont get hot enough to break them
down. The bags make a nuisance of themselves as that clog up the blades of
the bag bursting machines. Unlike other plastics the bags stretch like
chewing gum around the blades and have to be frequently manually removed.

The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately keen to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.


Our council provides compostable bags for food waste - although no-one
has been able to get hold of any for a couple of months, as they are out
of stock!

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"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...

Yep: National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost." [1][2]

An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence. :-(


Another one to be aware of if your council collects food waste. The
popular starch based bags dont digest in the anaerobic digesters all
have
to be screened out as the digesters dont get hot enough to break them
down. The bags make a nuisance of themselves as that clog up the blades
of
the bag bursting machines. Unlike other plastics the bags stretch like
chewing gum around the blades and have to be frequently manually removed.

The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately keen
to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.

Tim




Or keep a pig, or goats.


It is now ILLEGAL to feed food waste that has been in a human kitchen to
pigs and carries a mandatory prison sentence.

Silly I know - as a pig breeder I think it's yet another well intentioned
cock up in legislation

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The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately keen to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.


Or keep a pig, or goats.


most properties aren't allowed to, chickens, ducks, pigs etc could solve a lot of waste & produce eggs otherwise.


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On 01/10/2019 22:24, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Andrew"* wrote in message ...

On 01/10/2019 10:05, Tim+ wrote:
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Another John wrote:

In article ,
charles wrote:

"made from potato starch" was on the last one received here. ...

Yep:* National Trust annual kilo-through-the-post.

Heavily printed with the message, in the now-familiar ticking-off
school-marmish tone: "Do* not put in your recycling. Put in your
compost."* [1][2]

An increasing proportion of my periodicals are arriving in
such wrappers. They generally suggest that they may be placed in
the garden waste bin.

I checked with my council, but they replied

"Unfortunately this cannot go into our garden wastes bin. What
the producers of your magazine possible have not told you is that
if this goes to an open windrow facility, which is what we use,
it could end up being windblown around the site and become
litter. The information provided is applicable to what is called
in-vessel composting, which we do not use."

I guess few others will actually check, so they are going to get
lots of contamination in their waste.

I have attempted to get this point over to some of these
publishers, and have been met with a deafening silence.* :-(


Another one to be aware of if your council collects food waste.* The
popular starch based bags dont digest in the anaerobic digesters all
have
to be screened out as the digesters dont get hot enough to break them
down. The bags make a nuisance of themselves as that clog up the
blades of
the bag bursting machines. Unlike other plastics the bags stretch like
chewing gum around the blades and have to be frequently manually
removed.

The councils dont make an issue of it because theyre desperately
keen to
stop food-waste going into landfill. The best option is either to use
nothing in your food waste bin or just a bit of newspaper.

Tim




Or keep a pig, or goats.


It is now ILLEGAL to feed food waste that has been in a human kitchen to
pigs and carries a mandatory prison sentence.

Silly I know - as a pig breeder I think it's yet another well
intentioned cock up in legislation

Andrew



What even uncooked vegetable trimmings ?

So, ... illegal to collect'swill' from schools and feed to pigs
(even if heat-treated), but ...

Legal to feed the school kids on Turkey Twizzlers and chips !

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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin. I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.


They are prohibited by our council.

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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin. I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.


They are prohibited by our council.


so how are you supposed to collect your compostable waste then?

The idea that people will take each item of compostable waste to the outdoor
bin individually is not going to happen

It will just lead to people putting compostable waste in the kitchen-bin
that they collect non-compostable waste

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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin. I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.


They are prohibited by our council.


so how are you supposed to collect your compostable waste then?


We have a small kitchen caddy which we can empty into a larger food waste
bin that we put out once a week for collection. Using bags isnt
necessary.


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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin.* I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.


They are prohibited by our council.


so how are you supposed to collect your compostable waste then?

The idea that people will take each item of compostable waste to the
outdoor bin individually is not going to happen

It will just lead to people putting compostable waste in the kitchen-bin
that they collect non-compostable waste

You are supposed to empty the compostable bag into the compost bin, then
put the liner into the landfill bin.

I'm sure a lot of people don't bother.

Their latest one is to bill you for taking hardcore to the tip...

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On 05/10/2019 10:50, tim... wrote:


"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the
high termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial
composting plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary
garden compost bin. I have found this with compostable food waste
bags, which seem to persist for years at least in domestic compost.

They are prohibited by our council.


so how are you supposed to collect your compostable waste then?

The idea that people will take each item of compostable waste to the
outdoor bin individually is not going to happen

It will just lead to people putting compostable waste in the
kitchen-bin that they collect non-compostable waste

You are supposed to empty the compostable bag into the compost bin, then
put the liner into the landfill bin.


I'm sure a lot of people don't bother.


Their latest one is to bill you for taking hardcore to the tip...


in our case, it's machined timber. Like broken fence posts

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Their latest one is to bill you for taking hardcore to the tip...

Andy


The government told the LA's and waste management companies to
stop doing this last year.

Any that still are should be reported to someone, forgotten who.

West sussex only charge for old tyres now, I believe.
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On 05/10/2019 10:50, tim... wrote:


"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the
high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin. I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.

They are prohibited by our council.


so how are you supposed to collect your compostable waste then?

The idea that people will take each item of compostable waste to the
outdoor bin individually is not going to happen

It will just lead to people putting compostable waste in the kitchen-bin
that they collect non-compostable waste

You are supposed to empty the compostable bag into the compost bin, then
put the liner into the landfill bin.


why pay extra for compostable bags, and then not put them in the compost?

I'm sure a lot of people don't bother.


because the bags are compostable


Their latest one is to bill you for taking hardcore to the tip...


because it's not domestic waste

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Their latest one is to bill you for taking hardcore to the tip...

Andy


The government told the LA's and waste management companies to
stop doing this last year.

Any that still are should be reported to someone, forgotten who.

West sussex only charge for old tyres now, I believe.


but you pay a "recycling" surcharge when you buy a new one.

So someone is ripping you off

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"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
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On 05/10/2019 10:50, tim... wrote:


"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
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On 30/09/2019 14:22, Roger Hayter wrote:
Unfortunately there seem to be at least two meanings of compostable.
Many of the new "compostable" materials are only compostable in the
high
termperatures and intensive conditions of an industrial composting
plant, and will show little degradation in an ordinary garden compost
bin.* I have found this with compostable food waste bags, which
seem to
persist for years at least in domestic compost.

They are prohibited by our council.

so how are you supposed to collect your compostable waste then?

The idea that people will take each item of compostable waste to the
outdoor bin individually is not going to happen

It will just lead to people putting compostable waste in the
kitchen-bin that they collect non-compostable waste

You are supposed to empty the compostable bag into the compost bin,
then put the liner into the landfill bin.


why pay extra for compostable bags, and then not put them in the compost?

I'm sure a lot of people don't bother.


because the bags are compostable


Their latest one is to bill you for taking hardcore to the tip...


because it's not domestic waste


If it comes from my household and is not commercial, I consider it domestic.

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