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On 18/09/2019 20:57, michael adams wrote:
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What a pejorative comment, by my troth!

It is becoming clear who are the Believers and who are just cynically
supporting the remain position for personal gain...

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They really weren't where it's at
After they took from you
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On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:50:17 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
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Beautifully put. Thanks Brian!


What was totally lacking on the remain side was the courage (or even the
inclination?) to put forward the positive benefits, moral and political
as well as economic, of being part of the EU.


There are no benefits to remaining in the EUSSR.
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On Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:28:02 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 17:28:38 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 18/09/2019 15:42, whisky-dave wrote:

So what does that actually mean, do locals want restrictions in place
so they can park their own cars outside, or is it they like the idea of
not parking outsdie their own homes ?


Locals have no more right to park outside their house than anyone else!


Point taken. But we live 200 metres from a station, with only on-street
parking. It's a pain. I don't mind parking 'only somewhere near' (and in
fact that's the norm as there aren't enough spaces anyway) but I would
like to park within a few hundred metres of where I live.

Less of an issue for me now; I simply avoid going out (mostly) until the
commuters have arrived, and/or stick the car nearby after they've gone
home. The station halved the size of the car park, too, which doesn't
help.





Buy a house with a driveway/garage.
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On 18/09/2019 19:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 18/09/2019 10:57, Rod Speed wrote:
nightjar wrote

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Very little of the Leave campaign was not based on lies or
misdirection.

Thats flagrantly dishonest, again.


Lying they way they did is, but that is how they won the referendum.


Corse there were never any project fear lies, eh ?


Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain away
the projections that they didn't like.

As one of the Leave campaign leaders is reported to have said in an
unguarded moment (later denied), had we told people what we really
expect Brexit to be like, nobody would have voted for it.


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On 18/09/2019 23:32, T i m wrote:

However, if a Brexiteer was counting the votes, a return of 3 for
versus 2 against out of a population of 10,000 would mean it would be
carried. Democracy in action etc. ;-)



i) You erroneously assume that everyone that didn't vote would have been
on the remain side.

ii) By your logic all(?) MPs shouldn't be sitting in the house of
commons, especially if you take into consideration those who didn't
bother to vote in the last general election and would have all voted for
someone else rather than the person elected.


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On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 09:56:45 +0100, alan_m
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On 18/09/2019 23:32, T i m wrote:

However, if a Brexiteer was counting the votes, a return of 3 for
versus 2 against out of a population of 10,000 would mean it would be
carried. Democracy in action etc. ;-)



i) You erroneously assume that everyone that didn't vote would have been
on the remain side.


No I don't because I didn't state what you may think I'm stating.

We were going along with the status quo and were given a vote (that
should have been a poll) that basically asked, 'hands up who wants to
leave the EU'. The ONLY people who matter in that case are *those
actioning change* and ONLY 1/3rd of the electorate actively did that.

From that point on, both those who didn't vote at all or actively
voted to remain didn't 'actively want to leave' or actively voted to
remain, afa the poll count was concerned.

Remember, the question was *actually* polled to determine just how
many people wanted to leave the UK, to change the status quo, it's
just they couldn't just ask those who wanted to leave to vote as they
would all be heckled (understandably, the traitors that they are g)
on the way to the polling station.

What I'm not *stating* is how that those who didn't vote, might have
voted, had they voted, just that they didn't vote to change the status
quo.

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nightjar wrote
Rod Speed wrote
nightjar wrote
Rod Speed wrote
nightjar wrote

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Very little of the Leave campaign was not based on lies or
misdirection.


Thats flagrantly dishonest, again.


Lying they way they did is, but that is how they won the referendum.


Corse there were never any project fear lies, eh ?


Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain away
the projections that they didn't like.


Even more flagrantly dishonest than you usually
manage and thats saying something.

As one of the Leave campaign leaders is reported to have said in an
unguarded moment (later denied), had we told people what we really expect
Brexit to be like, nobody would have voted for it.


Just because some fool claims something...

6 more weeks and the project fear lies will be exposed for what they always
were.


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On 19/09/2019 10:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , nightjar
wrote:

On 18/09/2019 19:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 18/09/2019 10:57, Rod Speed wrote:
nightjar wrote
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Very little of the Leave campaign was not based on lies or
misdirection.

Thats flagrantly dishonest, again.

Lying they way they did is, but that is how they won the referendum.

Corse there were never any project fear lies, eh ?


Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain
away the projections that they didn't like.


All the projections of the CBI, Osborne, et al, which didn't
materialise. Those projections, you mean?


We haven't left yet, however quite a lot of what was predicted has
happened before we leave.

Remember that they didn't say most of these things would happen, they
said they would happen if we left.

Its the same now with a no deal brexit so you can't claim they are lies
unless you have a time machine.

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On Wednesday, 18 September 2019 17:28:41 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 18/09/2019 15:42, whisky-dave wrote:

So what does that actually mean, do locals want restrictions in place
so they can park their own cars outside, or is it they like the idea
of not parking outsdie their own homes ?


Locals have no more right to park outside their house than anyone else!



I'd say that depends on if your paying for local services, for parking.
where I live IIRC you pay about £80 a year to be able to park in your local area.
Or you can get scratch cards which allow a car that insn't registared to park in your local area, I used one a few weeks ago. A 5 hour ticket and a 1 hour ticket.
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I do wonder why some have cars if they don;t drive to work
and the car spends most of the time outside their own home.


Because if you live in the congestion zone and work there too,
it makes more sense to only use the car for the shopping etc
instead of trying to lug the grocerys around on public transport.


I can do that and do it most days of the week, I don't need a car to buy a bottle of milk.
If you live in the same zone like a congestion zone perhaps you don't need a car. The flats being built near me have NO parking on or off street aka no parking in the immediate area is possible, they are sold and peopole are told there is NO parking.



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On 19/09/2019 09:19, nightjar wrote:
Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain away
the projections that they didn't like.

As one of the Leave campaign leaders is reported to have said in an
unguarded moment (later denied), had we told people what we really
expect Brexit to be like, nobody would have voted for it.


Project fear was an invention of the Reamian campaigners, to explain
away the projections that they didn't like.

As one of the Reamian campaign leaders is reported to have said in an
unguarded moment (later denied), had we told people what we really
expect the EU to be like, nobody would have voted for it.

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On 19/09/2019 10:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , nightjar
wrote:

On 18/09/2019 19:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 18/09/2019 10:57, Rod Speed wrote:
nightjar wrote
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Very little of the Leave campaign was not based on lies or
misdirection.

Thats flagrantly dishonest, again.

Lying they way they did is, but that is how they won the referendum.

Corse there were never any project fear lies, eh ?

Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain away
the projections that they didn't like.


All the projections of the CBI, Osborne, et al, which didn't
materialise. Those projections, you mean?


We haven't left yet,


Only 6 more weeks, remoaner...

however quite a lot of what was predicted has happened before we leave.


More remoaner lies.

Remember that they didn't say most of these things would happen, they said
they would happen if we left.


6 more weeks till the project fear lies are exposed for the lies they always
were...

Tho it would be great if brexit kills you...

Its the same now with a no deal brexit so you can't claim they are lies
unless you have a time machine.


Only 6 more weeks...

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I do wonder why some have cars if they don;t drive to work
and the car spends most of the time outside their own home.


Because if you live in the congestion zone and work there too,
it makes more sense to only use the car for the shopping etc
instead of trying to lug the grocerys around on public transport.


I can do that


Yep, you actually are that stupid...

and do it most days of the week,


Yep, you actually are that stupid...

I don't need a car to buy a bottle of milk.


Most arent actually stupid enough to go shopping most days of the week...

If you live in the same zone like a congestion
zone perhaps you don't need a car.


You dont need a house either, or cats.

The flats being built near me have NO parking on or off
street aka no parking in the immediate area is possible,


Then the fools that allowed that to happen should be strung up...

they are sold and peopole are told there is NO parking.


See above.


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On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT), harry
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Buy a house with a driveway/garage.


That's ok, however, many houses have several cars now and unless you
are living out in the sticks on your ill gotten gains you may not have
a drive big enough for that many cars either. 'Most people in England
are living in houses on streets that were never really / properly
designed for cars, let alone that many / house.

Where we are the road is wide enough for two HGV's to pass each other,
even with vehicles parked either side. Locally there are multiple
instances of roads that are only (just) wide enough for two cars but
some do have (often shared) drives leading to garages. I suspect very
few keep their cars in the garages any more because the garages are
two small for the cars of today, so many will have given up their
front garden to vehicle parking, trying to keep the drive clear.

The problem with your solution is that it's anti-social as you are
taking up more land than many others (but your selfishness comes as
little surprise to most here). ;-)

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On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:50:17 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
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Beautifully put. Thanks Brian!


What was totally lacking on the remain side was the courage (or even the
inclination?) to put forward the positive benefits, moral and political
as well as economic, of being part of the EU.


There are no benefits to remaining in the EUSSR.


BULL****.

Frictionless trade with the EU for starters.

Free movement for UKers in the EU too.



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On Thursday, 19 September 2019 10:59:33 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
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I do wonder why some have cars if they don;t drive to work
and the car spends most of the time outside their own home.


Because if you live in the congestion zone and work there too,
it makes more sense to only use the car for the shopping etc
instead of trying to lug the grocerys around on public transport.


I can do that


Yep, you actually are that stupid...


yes I can walk to the end of a road and enter a shop buy something and return without the aid of a car.



and do it most days of the week,


Yep, you actually are that stupid...


Yep I don't need to buy petrol/deisel to walk a few hundred metres.



I don't need a car to buy a bottle of milk.


Most arent actually stupid enough to go shopping most days of the week...


Perhaps they are stupid in having to drive most days of the week.


If you live in the same zone like a congestion
zone perhaps you don't need a car.


You dont need a house either, or cats.


and you don't need a brain do you.



The flats being built near me have NO parking on or off
street aka no parking in the immediate area is possible,


Then the fools that allowed that to happen should be strung up...


becoming standard practuce in some areas.


https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...parking-spaces


they are sold and peopole are told there is NO parking.


See above.


See above.
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On 19/09/2019 10:14, Tim Streater wrote:
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On 18/09/2019 19:43, Rod Speed wrote:


"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 18/09/2019 10:57, Rod Speed wrote:
nightjar wrote
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Very little of the Leave campaign was not based on lies or
misdirection.

Thats flagrantly dishonest, again.

Lying they way they did is, but that is how they won the referendum.

Corse there were never any project fear lies, eh ?


Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain
away the projections that they didn't like.


All the projections of the CBI, Osborne, et al, which didn't
materialise. Those projections, you mean?

Most predictions were long term, something that Brexiteers conveniently
forget. They claim that, as the world didn't collapse when the vote was
announced, all projections were wrong. However, to find out whether or
not they were, we first need to leave then wait for the 10-15 years that
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On 19/09/2019 10:25, Rod Speed wrote:
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6 more weeks and the project fear lies will be exposed for what they
always were.


Even if Boris manages to achieve Brexit on 31st October*, we would still
need to wait 10-15 years to see whether or not the main projections come
true.

*Which seems increasingly unlikely in view of the EU decision to grant
an extension without strings, parliament's requirement that the PM
request one and the moves being taken in the Scottish Courts, which
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On 19/09/2019 12:27, nightjar wrote:

Most predictions were long term, something that Brexiteers conveniently
forget. They claim that, as the world didn't collapse when the vote was
announced, all projections were wrong. However, to find out whether or
not they were, we first need to leave then wait for the 10-15 years that
those predictions apply to.

Its like Climate Change. Fear every other daym never dear today.

20 years later they will still be waiting for the negative effects of
Brexit to fully manifest.


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We haven't left yet,


Only 6 more weeks, remoaner...


IOW, they haven't left yet, senile Ozzie troll!

however quite a lot of what was predicted has happened before we leave.


More remoaner lies.


Nope, just more troll**** on your part, senile Ozzie pest!

Remember that they didn't say most of these things would happen, they said
they would happen if we left.


6 more weeks till the project fear lies are exposed for the lies they always
were...


IOW, you CAN'T expose them for lies, you abnormal 85-year-old Ozzie cretin!

Tho it would be great if brexit kills you...


Wanna bet that both, Remainers and Brexiters alike, wish you finally
croaked, you abnormal piece of senile Ozzie ****?

Its the same now with a no deal brexit so you can't claim they are lies
unless you have a time machine.


Only 6 more weeks...


In 6 weeks we will still see you trolling like there was no tomorrow, you
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BULL****.


Nope, just MORE TROLL**** from you, again, you clinically insane 85-year-old
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Project fear was an invention of the Leave campaigners, to explain away
the projections that they didn't like.


All the projections of the CBI, Osborne, et al, which didn't
materialise. Those projections, you mean?



Have we left, then? I live and learn.

Now tell us of all the super duper trade deals leave promised would fall
into our laps from outside the EU? The US rushing to our side? Which they
surely must given their president is all in favour of us leaving? And one
from Russia too, given the same thing?

Surely after 3 years of knowing we are leaving the government would be
well advanced with those? Or are they keeping them close to their chest -
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Locals have no more right to park outside their house than anyone else!



I'd say that depends on if your paying for local services, for parking.
where I live IIRC you pay about £80 a year to be able to park in your
local area.


What it actually means is you pay to park *only* in your local area.

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Because if you live in the congestion zone and work there too,
it makes more sense to only use the car for the shopping etc
instead of trying to lug the grocerys around on public transport.


I can do that and do it most days of the week, I don't need a car to buy
a bottle of milk.


That is the sum of your groceries and shopping? ;-)

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On Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:10:09 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Locals have no more right to park outside their house than anyone else!



I'd say that depends on if your paying for local services, for parking.
where I live IIRC you pay about £80 a year to be able to park in your
local area.


What it actually means is you pay to park *only* in your local area.


No it doesn't you have to pay in an area that has controlled parking.
It's 'free' aka £80 per year in your own area only.
I think you can get one that allows yuo to park in any area but it's about £800 a year, or that could be a commercail version that my brother would have needed to park outside where he worked.


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I do wonder why some have cars if they don;t drive to work and the
car spends most of the time outside their own home.


Probably because there's either no parking at work,
or too much traffic whereas there's less traffic and plenty of parking
at the supermarkets and other places they go to at the weekend.


and it's a company car


Or they work in central London, and have to commute in by train,
after driving to the station.

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Because if you live in the congestion zone and work there too,
it makes more sense to only use the car for the shopping etc
instead of trying to lug the grocerys around on public transport.


I can do that and do it most days of the week, I don't need a car to buy
a bottle of milk.


That is the sum of your groceries and shopping? ;-)


No but it's typical of what I mostly buy from local stores for local people.
I wouldn't buy an angle grinder from my local tobacconists shop, would you ?

I've never had to use a car to get my shopping from a supermarket and have only ever been in a car ounce to go to a supermarket and that's because a friend asked me to go with him.
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Yep, you actually are that stupid...


yes I can walk to the end of a road and enter a shop buy something and
return without the aid of a car.


Fine if you're happy paying convenience store prices. And with their
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Most predictions were long term, something that Brexiteers
conveniently forget. They claim that, as the world didn't collapse
when the vote was announced, all projections were wrong. However, to
find out whether or not they were, we first need to leave then wait
for the 10-15 years that those predictions apply to.

Its like Climate Change. Fear every other daym never dear today.


In your village, perhaps.

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On Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:49:35 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Yep, you actually are that stupid...


yes I can walk to the end of a road and enter a shop buy something and
return without the aid of a car.


Fine if you're happy paying convenience store prices. And with their
limited choice.


I was refering to milk and I'm beting the cost of insuring and running a car is far more than the markup on a litre of milk every 2 days.
I only require semi-skimmed milk even though they have others including soy, and nut variities.
For the larger shop I go on my way home from work using a bus.


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On 19/09/2019 12:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/09/2019 12:27, nightjar wrote:

Most predictions were long term, something that Brexiteers
conveniently forget. They claim that, as the world didn't collapse
when the vote was announced, all projections were wrong. However, to
find out whether or not they were, we first need to leave then wait
for the 10-15 years that those predictions apply to.

Its like Climate Change. Fear every other daym never dear today.

20 years later they will still be waiting for the negative effects of
Brexit to fully manifest.


We are already seeing some of them and we haven't even left yet. Inward
investment to the UK rose steadily, year on year, until the referendum.
Since then, it has been in decline, having fallen by 14% in the past 12
months alone. In January 2016, the 12 month total for jobs created by
inward investment was nearly 12,000. It has now fallen to under 4,000.

OTOH, British firms have increased their investment in other EU
countries by 12%, to counter problems that would arise from Brexit.

The value of the pound suffered a lot as a result of the referendum. It
recovered somewhat afterwards, particularly when Brexit was delayed.
Boris's committent to a no deal Brexit sent it downwards again.
Parliament voting against a no deal Brexit has seen it rally again.

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whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote


I do wonder why some have cars if they don;t drive to work
and the car spends most of the time outside their own home.


Because if you live in the congestion zone and work there too,
it makes more sense to only use the car for the shopping etc
instead of trying to lug the grocerys around on public transport.


I can do that


Yep, you actually are that stupid...


yes I can walk to the end of a road and enter a shop
buy something and return without the aid of a car.


And pay much more for the stuff you stupidly buy
that way instead of a fortnightly shop at a decent
supermarket etc and waste a lot more time that
way too doing that most days.

and do it most days of the week,


Yep, you actually are that stupid...


Yep I don't need to buy petrol/deisel
to walk a few hundred metres.


But are stupid enough to pay more and waste
much more time doing that most days.

I don't need a car to buy a bottle of milk.


Most arent actually stupid enough to
go shopping most days of the week...


Perhaps they are stupid in having
to drive most days of the week.


Most arent that stupid and only do that weekly or fortnightly etc.

If you live in the same zone like a congestion
zone perhaps you don't need a car.


You dont need a house either, or cats.


The flats being built near me have NO parking on or off
street aka no parking in the immediate area is possible,


Then the fools that allowed that to happen should be strung up...


becoming standard practuce in some areas.


https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...parking-spaces


Then the fools that allowed that to happen should be strung up...

You lot never could organise a ****up in a brewery as brexit proves in
spades.

they are sold and peopole are told there is NO parking.


See above.



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6 more weeks and the project fear lies
will be exposed for what they always were.


Even if Boris manages to achieve Brexit on 31st October*,
we would still need to wait 10-15 years to see whether
or not the main projections come true.


Not with the biggest project fear lies that all the planes
wont be able to fly the day after, that the whole of Kent
will be a massive great truck traffic jam with no one able
to drive anywhere, that those needing medicines will be
dying like flys etc etc etc.

*Which seems increasingly unlikely in view of the
EU decision to grant an extension without strings,


Which they are unlikely to keep doing forever.

parliament's requirement that the PM request one


And Boris refusing to do that so that brexit happens on 29-Oct.

and the moves being taken in the Scottish Courts, which would
allow the Court to make the request on his behalf if he refuses,


And the EU makes an obscene gesture in the the general
direction of the UK and refuses any further extension.


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On Thursday, 19 September 2019 11:01:33 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT), harry
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snip

Buy a house with a driveway/garage.


That's ok, however, many houses have several cars now and unless you
are living out in the sticks on your ill gotten gains you may not have
a drive big enough for that many cars either. 'Most people in England
are living in houses on streets that were never really / properly
designed for cars, let alone that many / house.

Where we are the road is wide enough for two HGV's to pass each other,
even with vehicles parked either side. Locally there are multiple
instances of roads that are only (just) wide enough for two cars but
some do have (often shared) drives leading to garages. I suspect very
few keep their cars in the garages any more because the garages are
two small for the cars of today, so many will have given up their
front garden to vehicle parking, trying to keep the drive clear.

The problem with your solution is that it's anti-social as you are
taking up more land than many others (but your selfishness comes as
little surprise to most here). ;-)



There's room for about ten cars on my driveway.
I have downsized.
At my previous house there was/is room for at least a thousand.
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On 19/09/2019 19:13, Rod Speed wrote:
nightjar wrote
Rod Speed wrote

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6 more weeks and the project fear lies will be exposed for what they
always were.


Even if Boris manages to achieve Brexit on 31st October*, we would
still need to wait 10-15 years to see whether or not the main
projections come true.


Not with the biggest project fear lies that all the planes wont be able
to fly the day after,


Long since dispelled by the EU stating that British aircraft would be
allowed into their airspace, even if there were a no deal Brexit.

that the whole of Kent
will be a massive great truck traffic jam with no one able
to drive anywhere,


That happens whenever the French have a strike, so it is entirely
feasible, even without a no deal Brexit.

....
parliament's requirement that the PM request one


And Boris refusing to do that so that brexit happens on 29-Oct.


See below:

and the moves being taken in the Scottish Courts, which would allow
the Court to make the request on his behalf if he refuses,


And the EU makes an obscene gesture in the the general direction of the
UK and refuses any further extension.


Do try to keep up. They voted yesterday to allow one, without any
conditions.


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And the EU makes an obscene gesture in the the general
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"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 19/09/2019 19:13, Rod Speed wrote:
nightjar wrote
Rod Speed wrote

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6 more weeks and the project fear lies will be exposed for what they
always were.


Even if Boris manages to achieve Brexit on 31st October*, we would still
need to wait 10-15 years to see whether or not the main projections come
true.


Not with the biggest project fear lies that all the planes wont be able
to fly the day after,


Long since dispelled by the EU stating that British aircraft would be
allowed into their airspace, even if there were a no deal Brexit.


Still one of the original project fear bare
faced lies in the runup to the referendum.

that the whole of Kent will be a massive great truck traffic jam with no
one able to drive anywhere,


That happens whenever the French have a strike,


Bull**** it does with no one able to drive anywhere.

so it is entirely feasible, even without a no deal Brexit.


More lies.

parliament's requirement that the PM request one


And Boris refusing to do that so that brexit happens on 29-Oct.


See below:


Useless, as always.

and the moves being taken in the Scottish Courts, which would allow the
Court to make the request on his behalf if he refuses,


And the EU makes an obscene gesture in the the general direction of the
UK and refuses any further extension.


Do try to keep up. They voted yesterday to allow one, without any
conditions.


Who did ? Nothing in the BBC news feed about that, or out ABC or here
https://www.google.com/search?biw=10....0.C2PjHmE3pDM

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