Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur

"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim

tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Clearly, Brians still deep in that funk he fell into after our mutual
acquaintance told him about what my inheritance is going to look like. Hes
got the green-eyed monster, big time. Poor Old Brian.

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur

On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.

newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

Yawn, you sound like someone who envies those who have made been prudent,
saved, invested in property etc.



And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.


Why is there a problem with someone who has made good wanting to pass
his/her money on?

It is the Socialists who have an issue with people who have worked hard,
been prudent etc.


I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.


Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Those who are want to succeed and are willing to graft etc can. Those who
are lazy sit back and moan, making excuses, expecting handouts.

Brian Reay wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

Yawn, you sound like someone who envies those who have made been prudent,
saved, invested in property etc.



And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.


Why is there a problem with someone who has made good wanting to pass
his/her money on?

It is the Socialists who have an issue with people who have worked hard,
been prudent etc.


I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.


Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Those who are want to succeed and are willing to graft etc can. Those who
are lazy sit back and moan, making excuses, expecting handouts.


Youre having a good time living on your wifes pension though, Brian, eh?

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 10:45:00 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, there are no robber barons. Robbers in this society are usually welfare recipients.

The government shows near zero comprehension of the rental sector and should thus keep out of it until perhaps one day it does understand it.


NT

wrote:

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 10:45:00 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
... Should Corbyn set it at a
rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or should a more
progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron class'
hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a
pile of bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


He'd do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn't really high enough, it is easy to exceed
that. (Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have
more the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax
it at 100% and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working,
the first case, help the masses and don't reward the lazy in the
second case. Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember
you need to have bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, there are no robber barons.
Robbers in this society are usually welfare recipients.

The government shows near zero comprehension of the rental sector and
should thus keep out of it until perhaps one day it does understand it.


NT

That, of course, is the historical complaint of mine owners, plantation
owners, chimney sweeps, brothel keepers, bookmakers, mill owners, and,
more recently, medicinal cannabis growers. The usual answer is that on
the contrary they understand it only too well.




--

Roger Hayter

wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 10:45:00 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth
or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently
in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m
per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at
100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second
case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to
have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, there are no robber barons.

Thats bull****. There is a reason some got stinking rich, particularly in
the
USA in the 19th century etc.

Robbers in this society are usually welfare recipients.

That too.

The government shows near zero comprehension of the rental sector

Its more that thats where there is a real conflict between two sectors of
society
with no even reasonably decent approach which works well for everyone.

and should thus keep out of it until perhaps one day it does understand
it.

Not even possible to understand it.

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 10:45:00 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.

High house prices are caused by excessive demand. ie the 3 million migrants now in this country. They are all living somewhere.
Bliar started it off. (Importing votes)

newshound wrote:
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.



I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.

One way of tipping the balance back in favour of the common man would be
Right To Buy for private tenants. Labour are looking into it, so fingers
crossed.

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:16:52 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:
"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...

Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Rob the disabled eh. Hmm.

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 11:19:22 UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:16:52 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:
"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...

Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Rob the disabled eh. Hmm.

How can you rob someone who has nothing?

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 11:19:22 UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:16:52 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:
"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...

Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute
wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently
in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m
per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at
100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second
case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to
have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Rob the disabled eh. Hmm.

How can you rob someone who has nothing?

Buy giving them **** all in the way of benefits, stupid.

On Friday, 13 September 2019 07:30:42 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 11:19:22 UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 09:16:52 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:
"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...

Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

Rob the disabled eh. Hmm.

How can you rob someone who has nothing?

By not letting them inherit a house.
Anyway disabled people often don't have nothing.

In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn‘t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Or are you still on a different planet to most of us?

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On Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:43:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn€˜t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Or are you still on a different planet to most of us?

--
Your usual ****-fer-brains.
The reason for high house prices is migration.
They're all living somewhere. ie, cheap housing that would normally go to first time buyers.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:43:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn€˜t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at
100%
and give it to the NHS.

Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Or are you still on a different planet to most of us?

--
Your usual ****-fer-brains.
The reason for high house prices is migration.
They're all living somewhere. ie, cheap housing that would normally go to
first time buyers.

Doesnt explain why some places with **** all migration like Japan have high
house prices,. stupid.

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:43:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn€˜t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Why don't they get paid enough ?

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:43:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn€˜t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at
100%
and give it to the NHS.

Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Why don't they get paid enough ?

Because thats the way things have ended up in some places like London.

On Friday, 13 September 2019 16:51:43 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:43:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn€˜t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Why don't they get paid enough ?

Because migrants are forcing wages down.

Brian Reay wrote:

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

So how do you decide whether someone has spent their life "sitting
around waiting for another hand out..." or has been productive? It's
not particularly easy and one man's 'lazy git' is another man's 'hard
worker' (... 'hard work' doesn't necessarily mean earning lots of
money).

--
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·

On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.


Well, abolish IHT, introduce LVT . . .

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.


You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit
around waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.


It's now pretty well established that the combination of property
ownership and inheritance is going to polarise the UK in some quite
nasty ways over the next 30 years.

I had the 'opportunity' to take in some daytime TV for a couple of weeks
recently. Apart from the obviously fleecing nature of the corporations
behind it all, quite nice to see the variety of equity release products
being pushed.

If the government isn't going to do anything, spend it or give it away
while you can.


--
Cheers, Rob

"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth
or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.


Well, abolish IHT, introduce LVT . . .

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject
0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit around
waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.

Thats bull****. Plenty wont do some jobs like fruit
picking and dealing with fat bergs in sewers and
choose to put their hands out for the dole instead.

And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the second
case.Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need
to have bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

It's now pretty well established that the combination of property
ownership and inheritance is going to polarise the UK in some quite nasty
ways over the next 30 years.

That hasnt been established at all, just claimed, a different matter
entirely.

I had the 'opportunity' to take in some daytime TV for a couple of weeks
recently. Apart from the obviously fleecing nature of the corporations
behind it all, quite nice to see the variety of equity release products
being pushed.

If the government isn't going to do anything, spend it or give it away
while you can.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:35:34 +1000
"Rod Speed" wrote:



And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.


Moving house is vastly more expensive now than it was forty years ago,
thanks to the 'mansion' stamp duty now applying to most housing in
large towns and cities. It's also a lot more difficult if you have
school-age children.

Do the arithmetic: it's worth moving house for a well-paid job, it
isn't for anything less and particularly for around minimum wage, which
most jobs now are.

--
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:35:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That¢s bull****. Plenty wont do some jobs like fruit
picking and dealing with fat bergs in sewers and
choose to put their hands out for the dole instead.

And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.

You are not in the UK, so you don't know how things are there, you senile
trolling piece of Ozzie ****!

--
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cretin from Oz:
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On 14/09/2019 00:35, Rod Speed wrote:


"RJH" wrote in message
...
On 12/09/2019 09:16, Brian Reay wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute
wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the
robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim


Hed do better to reform IHT.


Well, abolish IHT, introduce LVT . . .

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in
place isnt really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at
100%
and give it to the NHS.

You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit
around waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.

Thats bull****. Plenty wont do some jobs like fruit
picking and dealing with fat bergs in sewers and
choose to put their hands out for the dole instead.


Well, that's nonsense. It's not 'won't', it's 'can't'. And that is in
large part due to housing . . .

And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working,
the first case, help the masses and dont reward the lazy in the
second case.Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember
you need to have bought a property- will scream it is unfair.

It's now pretty well established that the combination of property
ownership and inheritance is going to polarise the UK in some quite
nasty ways over the next 30 years.

That hasnt been established at all, just claimed, a different matter
entirely.


Claimed and evidenced. Have a look at the work of Danny Dorling for example.

I had the 'opportunity' to take in some daytime TV for a couple of
weeks recently. Apart from the obviously fleecing nature of the
corporations behind it all, quite nice to see the variety of equity
release products being pushed.

If the government isn't going to do anything, spend it or give it away
while you can.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

Indeed.


--
Cheers, Rob

In article ,
RJH wrote:
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax
it at 100% and give it to the NHS.


You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit
around waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.

But they do if your main source of information is the right wing gutter
press.

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On 12/09/2019 08:52, tim... wrote:


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim



WHS

The problem is I have a long garden, and if I'm going to be stung, then I'll
sell it and there will be huge density increases everywhere.
Brian

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"tim..." wrote in message
...


"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron
class' hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Um, let me think?

NO

tim

Stephen Cole wrote

Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth
or should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value
of a pile of bricks?

He's much more likely to have the state grab the lot and turn
everyone into council housing tenants with no compensation.

And nothing done with land value tax would do that last of yours anyway.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 01:58:19 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile Australian asshole troll's latest troll****

01:58 am??? LMAO! Is your senility not letting you sleep in again, senile
Rodent? Or is it your unbearable loneliness that makes you get up EVERY
NIGHT between 1 and 4 am in Australia, you obnoxious pest?

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woman you know even if it is the only thing with a Female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from from you boring
them to death."
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:18:15 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
wrote:

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Watch, it geezer!

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:18:15 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
wrote:

[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!

HOW, late are, you gonna stay up and STALK this your latest stalking
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TWO am?

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MID:

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 08:09:09 UTC+1, Stephen Cole wrote:
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?

Land value tax. would take years to implement. Who knows who owns what and the value of it is?