On 12/09/2019 07:27, Tim+ wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:
Tim+ wrote:

It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim
As a matter of (genuine) interest, how do you tell that - does it say it
somewhere I've missed?


Rather than following that link I just searched amazon for cordless
jigsaws. It appeared at the top of the page with €œsponsored€� next to it.

Amazon is awash with sponsored no-name products all with glowing 5 star
reviews. Given that they are never household names you have to ask yourself
how theyve all go 5 star reviews so quickly. Simple answer is that the
sellers have paid for the ad AND the reviews. Its clearly very lucrative.

Tim

I might be wrong, but I always assumed "sponsored" items were simply
ones that were pushed up the advertising ranking by the seller paying an
extra fee (as happens on Google). Although it seems quite likely that
such sellers would also pay for fake reviews. A little while ago you'd
get products with plausible rather than adulatory reviews where the
reviewer mentioned that they had had the product free or discounted.

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On 12/09/2019 05:51, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Positive reviews are worthless, often all fake. Only way to learn
anything is look at the -ve reviews.

They are often fake too.

Done by competitors, yep.

They are also done by people that don't have a clue about how to use the
product.

Then there are the really odd one like "product doesn't work.. 5 stars"

On 11/09/2019 21:23, alan_m wrote:
On 11/09/2019 20:52, newshound wrote:

Correct. My Makitas are now quite old but since they seem to be
indestructible it makes more sense just to replace batteries until
they finally die.

Unfortunately Makita have replaced the battery technology (different
physical connection and battery protection circuits) since I purchased
my Makita cordless drill some years ago. Original replacement batteries
or cloned compatibles seem to be very much more expensive than the
latest batteries for their newer cordless tools. However as I already
have two of the older style of batteries, with charger, I recently
purchased a new cordless Makita impact driver (bare) for not much money.
The driver was "old stock" being sold at a discount.

You can also get adaptors to make modern LiIon batteries connect to the
older style NiCd/NiMh tools. E.g:

https://ebay.us/5t1XBI

I recently borrowed the current models of a Makita cordless SDS drill
and angle grinder with 4Ahr batteries. I was impressed with the
performance of both and they compared favourably with my older corded
models.

I originally got a decent Makita 18V combi in about 2003, and added an
ID shortly after. I got the combi with three batts. They lasted many
years, until I replaced them with another three OEM batts (I did try one
"compatible" one - and although the performance at first was ok, the
overall total cycle life was very poor). When the second set of batts
started to die a couple of years back, I decided it was time to upgrade
tools to the Li versions - not so much because of the batteries, but
mostly because the range of choice in the old style was dwindling. I
also decided to get shot of other brands of cordless and concentrate on
Makita 18V for most, and 10.8V for small tools.

The modern 18V batts and chargers also have the big advantage of active
cooling - i.e. the charger has a fan that pushes cooling air through the
battery. So now you can charge a hot battery without risk (in fact they
suggest putting a hot battery on the charger asap is a good thing to do
since it will cool it quickly before it starts actually charging).

Getting one of the above adaptors, means the old tools are still useful.
Performance of the old tools on the new batts seems as good as on their
orginal ones.



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On 12/09/2019 14:55, Andrew wrote:
On 11/09/2019 17:51, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew May" wrote in message
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On 11/09/2019 17:07, Andrew May wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers'
no less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8
Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products

Oh, and he has bought twelve pairs of earbuds of various types since
May. All of which he rated five stars.

Presumably the sellers pay him for the reviews.

IS it why people in the UK receive deliveries of pointless
silly items that they haven't ordered (or been asked to pay
for) ?.

Or they let him keep the review item as "payment"... Might be
interesting to see his ebay history!

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On 12/09/2019 05:51, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Positive reviews are worthless, often all fake. Only way to learn anything is look at the -ve reviews.

Alas many of those are people whining about delivery problems, or Amazon
etc sending the wrong thing / colour etc, rather than actually any
comment on the product itself.


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On 12/09/2019 13:33, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

I have several battery power tools - but I don't think I'd bother with a jigsaw.

I've got a fairly inexpensive mains one and for my frequency of use, a cordless would be litle to no benefit. Also, would be heavier.

Jigsaw is something that is sometimes essential but, much of the time, I try to avoid.

Looking back, it seems quite foolhardy that I spent so many years
cutting wood with hand saws. I never did like the sound of machines
much. I'd think nothing (at the time) of ripping 1 1/2" Oak or Elm
boards into 6 or 10 foot planks.

I didn't live in a cardboard box...etc.

Without a doubt such activities played a major part in producing the
physique that I enjoy today, which in its turn lead to the ultimatum
that had me retiring and transporting most of my handtools to Canada
and leaving them there. In good hands of course.

The finishing touch was a garage sale that cleared out the remainder.

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants, without incurring the wrath of my good
lady wife if she decides that I'm regressing into my previous state.

In defence of a good jigsaw, its worth pointing out that the gulf in
performance between your average "DIY" jigsaw (noisy, lots of vibration,
slow, crooked, and wavy cuts) and a decent Bosch/Makita "pro" one is
vast. The latter being smooth, quiet, and pretty accurate. They can also
cut surprisingly quickly.

The last biggish project I did (pair of bathrooms), was a mostly
cordless endeavour, and I did end up getting very close to ordering an
18V jigsaw, just because it seems so much of a faff to have to get out
the corded one!)


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On 12/09/2019 15:07, wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 13:32:59 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants,

not a hope in hell. The closest you'll get to a universal saw is a handheld mains circular saw.

IME, that is no longer the case...


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John Rumm wrote:

the gulf in
performance between your average "DIY" jigsaw (noisy, lots of vibration,
slow, crooked, and wavy cuts) and a decent Bosch/Makita "pro" one is
vast. The latter being smooth, quiet, and pretty accurate.

Some of the cuts in oak boards that my makita jigsaw (mains) has done
leave a surface you'd be convinced was planed, rather than sawn.

"Mike Halmarack" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

I have several battery power tools - but I don't think I'd bother with a
jigsaw.

I've got a fairly inexpensive mains one and for my frequency of use, a
cordless would be litle to no benefit. Also, would be heavier.

Jigsaw is something that is sometimes essential but, much of the time, I
try to avoid.

Looking back, it seems quite foolhardy that I spent so many years
cutting wood with hand saws. I never did like the sound of machines
much. I'd think nothing (at the time) of ripping 1 1/2" Oak or Elm
boards into 6 or 10 foot planks.

I didn't live in a cardboard box...etc.

Without a doubt such activities played a major part in producing the
physique that I enjoy today, which in its turn lead to the ultimatum
that had me retiring and transporting most of my handtools to Canada
and leaving them there. In good hands of course.

The finishing touch was a garage sale that cleared out the remainder.

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants, without incurring the wrath of my good
lady wife if she decides that I'm regressing into my previous state.

I wouldn't use a jigsaw for that, a cordless hand held circular saw is much
more useful.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 03:13:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Mike Halmarack" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

I have several battery power tools - but I don't think I'd bother with a
jigsaw.

I've got a fairly inexpensive mains one and for my frequency of use, a
cordless would be litle to no benefit. Also, would be heavier.

Jigsaw is something that is sometimes essential but, much of the time, I
try to avoid.

Looking back, it seems quite foolhardy that I spent so many years
cutting wood with hand saws. I never did like the sound of machines
much. I'd think nothing (at the time) of ripping 1 1/2" Oak or Elm
boards into 6 or 10 foot planks.

I didn't live in a cardboard box...etc.

Without a doubt such activities played a major part in producing the
physique that I enjoy today, which in its turn lead to the ultimatum
that had me retiring and transporting most of my handtools to Canada
and leaving them there. In good hands of course.

The finishing touch was a garage sale that cleared out the remainder.

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants, without incurring the wrath of my good
lady wife if she decides that I'm regressing into my previous state.

I wouldn't use a jigsaw for that, a cordless hand held circular saw is much
more useful.

I'm a wood carver at heart. I'm not overkeen on straight lines.
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On Thursday, 12 September 2019 15:19:32 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 13:32:59 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants,

not a hope in hell. The closest you'll get to a universal saw is a handheld mains circular saw.


NT

Strange you should say that. I recently lost my Opinel in the move.
I've already found that I can do everything I want these days with a
jigsaw, albeit slowly. The difference is that I need a battery powered
model, because my garage has no electric supply.

Saying you haven't got an 'ope in 'ell is very sad. I' m sure you'll brighten up soon.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:02:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll****

02:02 am??? AGAIN??? Can't you design a computer OS or something, you
useless senile idiot? Or spend your endless riches in real life, instead of
getting up in the middle of the night to pester people on Usenet with your
obnoxious presence?

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On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 03:13:09 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I wouldn't use a jigsaw for that, a cordless hand held circular saw is much
more useful.

I'd like to cut your useless senile head off with such a one, senile
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 15:19:32 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 13:32:59 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants,

not a hope in hell. The closest you'll get to a universal saw is a handheld mains circular saw.


NT

Strange you should say that. I recently lost my Opinel in the move.
I've already found that I can do everything I want these days with a
jigsaw, albeit slowly. The difference is that I need a battery powered
model, because my garage has no electric supply.

Saying you haven't got an 'ope in 'ell is very sad.

It's OK I've got one on order. A number 6

I' m sure you'll brighten up soon.

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On 12/09/2019 15:41, newshound wrote:
On 11/09/2019 21:23, alan_m wrote:
On 11/09/2019 20:52, newshound wrote:

Correct. My Makitas are now quite old but since they seem to be
indestructible it makes more sense just to replace batteries until
they finally die.

Unfortunately Makita have replaced the battery technology (different
physical connection and battery protection circuits) since I purchased
my Makita cordless drill some years ago.

Do you mean the NiCads?

No

Old type
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Makita-BL...0AAOSwt9FdWv7j

new type (with yellow connector)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/For-Makit...0AAOSwktFdTSo5


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On 12/09/2019 17:05, John Rumm wrote:


You can also get adaptors to make modern LiIon batteries connect to the
older style NiCd/NiMh tools. E.g:

https://ebay.us/5t1XBI

The is not an adapter for the old and new type of Lithium Ion batteries



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On 12/09/2019 07:12, Brian Gaff wrote:
Is it the same ruse as printers with half filled cartridges but the refills
are as expensive as the printer?
Brian


The cartridges that come with some printers are only good for 10 A4
sheets. Some of the genuine replacement cartridges have less ink than
some third party compatibles.

For years now I've always used compatible cartridges (inkjet) and toners
(laser) from StinkyInk and have not had any problems with them. With my
Epson InKjet I will run a full color small print through at least every
other week and I always replace all cartridges at the same time even
though some may still have a quarter of the ink still left. From
experience of the print heads drying out, I never leave an empty
cartridge in the printer - even for a day. I always have a replacement
set to hand before the ink runs out.

https://www.stinkyinkshop.co.uk/

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On 12/09/2019 08:27, dennis@home wrote:


Then there are the really odd one like "product doesn't work.. 5 stars"



I've also seen the reverse - a one star rating but a glowing positive
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alan_m Wrote in message:
On 12/09/2019 17:05, John Rumm wrote:


You can also get adaptors to make modern LiIon batteries connect to the
older style NiCd/NiMh tools. E.g:

https://ebay.us/5t1XBI

The is not an adapter for the old and new type of Lithium Ion batteries

He never said it was?
It allows one to use makita Li-ion batts on older nicd/
nimh kit.

I made my own from Makita flashlights off eBay.
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On Thursday, 12 September 2019 15:19:32 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:
On Thursday, 12 September 2019 13:32:59 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants,

not a hope in hell. The closest you'll get to a universal saw is a handheld mains circular saw.


NT

Strange you should say that. I recently lost my Opinel in the move.
I've already found that I can do everything I want these days with a
jigsaw, albeit slowly. The difference is that I need a battery powered
model, because my garage has no electric supply.

Not good to not have an Opinel :/
I'd spring the bit extra for a circular. Way faster cutting, neater cuts, can handle thick material without any added problems.
As for curves, not good but I have cut out curves with one where finish is noncritical.
Battery saws can be very limited in run time. A 12/14v one could at least run off a car battery etc.


NT

On 12/09/2019 20:17, alan_m wrote:
On 12/09/2019 17:05, John Rumm wrote:


You can also get adaptors to make modern LiIon batteries connect to
the older style NiCd/NiMh tools. E.g:

https://ebay.us/5t1XBI

The is not an adapter for the old and new type of Lithium Ion batteries

True, which is why I said "connect to the older style NiCd/NiMh tools."

If you want to fit a new LXT battery to an old BL type then you need :

https://ebay.us/zsBRsj

instead.


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On 12/09/2019 20:33, alan_m wrote:
On 12/09/2019 07:12, Brian Gaff wrote:
Is it the same ruse as printers with half filled cartridges but the
refills
are as expensive as the printer?
Â* Brian


The cartridges that come with some printers are only good for 10 A4
sheets. Some of the genuine replacement cartridges have less ink than
some third party compatibles.

For years now I've always used compatible cartridges (inkjet) and toners
(laser) from StinkyInk and have not had any problems with them. With my
Epson InKjet I will run a full color small print through at least every
other week and I always replace all cartridges at the same time even
though some may still have a quarter of the ink still left. From
experience of the print heads drying out, I never leave an empty
cartridge in the printer - even for a day. I always have a replacement
set to hand before the ink runs out.

https://www.stinkyinkshop.co.uk/


They want £327 for a set for my printer.
It cost £49 and came with a full set not starters.

Really nice and quick but it weighs a ton (35Kg).

Seen them second hand for £180.

One good thing about it is that there isn't a linux driver for it.

On 12/09/2019 17:38, Andy Burns wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

the gulf in performance between your average "DIY" jigsaw (noisy, lots
of vibration, slow, crooked, and wavy cuts) and a decent Bosch/Makita
"pro" one is vast. The latter being smooth, quiet, and pretty accurate.

Some of the cuts in oak boards that my makita jigsaw (mains) has done
leave a surface you'd be convinced was planed, rather than sawn.


You have to know which blade to use.
Not all blades do the same.
Put the wrong blade in a makita and it will be just as bad as a cheap
aldi one.

On 12/09/2019 23:11, John Rumm wrote:

If you want to fit a new LXT battery to an old BL type then you need :

https://ebay.us/zsBRsj

instead.



No, that is just an adapter to allow a Mikita battery to be used to
charge a phone etc. 14V or 18V battery in and 2 x 5V USB power sources
out.


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On 12/09/2019 20:13, alan_m wrote:
On 12/09/2019 15:41, newshound wrote:
On 11/09/2019 21:23, alan_m wrote:
On 11/09/2019 20:52, newshound wrote:

Correct. My Makitas are now quite old but since they seem to be
indestructible it makes more sense just to replace batteries until
they finally die.

Unfortunately Makita have replaced the battery technology (different
physical connection and battery protection circuits) since I
purchased my Makita cordless drill some years ago.

Do you mean the NiCads?

No

Old type
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Makita-BL...0AAOSwt9FdWv7j

That's a G series battery - they are not the old type Makita battery,
but an alternative lower priced DIY spec Li-Ion battery platform with
limited capacity and power output.

These were introduced quite recently, and are actually *newer* than the
LXT ones.

new type (with yellow connector)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/For-Makit...0AAOSwktFdTSo5

Yup. Note there are "old" and "new" types of these as well. The older
ones with a capacity of up to 3Ah (black connector / no star), should
fit all LXT tools.

However the newer higher capacity (= 4Ah) ones (yellow connector and/or
star) will not fit the older tools. (you can hack them to do so, but the
old tools will not necessarily have the current handling capacity
required to cope with the new batteries).


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On 13/09/2019 11:12, alan_m wrote:
On 12/09/2019 23:11, John Rumm wrote:

If you want to fit a new LXT battery to an old BL type then you need :

https://ebay.us/zsBRsj

instead.



No, that is just an adapter to allow a Mikita battery to be used to
charge a phone etc.Â* 14V or 18V battery in and 2 x 5V USB power sources
out.

Yup, sorry my bad - completely the wrong item!

Looking at your other post I realise you were referring to the new G
series batteries anyway, rather than the old Ni style or non star LXT ones.

So an adaptor does not really make sense, since you can easily get new G
series batteries. Even if you did graft 5 Ah LXT battery on to a G
series tool, there is a reasonable chance you would smoke the tool if
you tried putting too much load on it. Ebaying the G series tool and
replacing with a LXT version would make more sense if you want to keep
to only one battery platform.



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Andy Burns wrote:

once you "buy in" to a given manufacturer's cordless tools, you don't
generally want an extra battery and charger every time you buy another
tool to add to the collection ... I chose 18V Makita several years ago,
got 3x 3.0Ah batteries and a charger with a drill/impact combo set and
have bought several "bare" tools since, only recently when I purchased a
36V tool did I buy a pair of 5.0Ah batteries along with a dual charger.

I see that next year Makita are to launch an "XGT" range of 40V
tools/batteries, presumably they'll gradually phase out the 36V dual LXT
tools?

https://www.makitauk.com/news/makita-offers-vision-of-cordless-future-with-expanded-lxt-and-new-xgt.html

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

once you "buy in" to a given manufacturer's cordless tools, you don't
generally want an extra battery and charger every time you buy another
tool to add to the collection ... I chose 18V Makita several years ago,
got 3x 3.0Ah batteries and a charger with a drill/impact combo set and
have bought several "bare" tools since, only recently when I purchased a
36V tool did I buy a pair of 5.0Ah batteries along with a dual charger.

I see that next year Makita are to launch an "XGT" range of 40V
tools/batteries, presumably they'll gradually phase out the 36V dual LXT
tools?

https://www.makitauk.com/news/makita-offers-vision-of-cordless-future-with-expanded-lxt-and-new-xgt.html

They'll be needing shutters on the battery and charger connections soon.
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On 14/10/2019 19:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

once you "buy in" to a given manufacturer's cordless tools, you don't
generally want an extra battery and charger every time you buy another
tool to add to the collection ... I chose 18V Makita several years ago,
got 3x 3.0Ah batteries and a charger with a drill/impact combo set and
have bought several "bare" tools since, only recently when I purchased a
36V tool did I buy a pair of 5.0Ah batteries along with a dual charger.

I see that next year Makita are to launch an "XGT" range of 40V
tools/batteries, presumably they'll gradually phase out the 36V dual LXT
tools?

https://www.makitauk.com/news/makita-offers-vision-of-cordless-future-with-expanded-lxt-and-new-xgt.html

They'll be needing shutters on the battery and charger connections soon.
;-)


A fully charged 18V LiIon ryobi battery is about 20V not 18V.

I expect they have just decided to use the same number of cells and
quote the fully charged voltage.

dennis@home wrote:

A fully charged 18V LiIon ryobi battery is about 20V not 18V.

I expect they have just decided to use the same number of cells and
quote the fully charged voltage.

20V vs 18V is the USA vs UK marketing trick, but "rounding up" from 18V
to 40V would be quite a trick, doubling the number of cells, and *then*
counting 4.0V/cell rather than 3.7V quite possibly, Milwaukee already
produce 60V packs.

Andy Burns wrote:

0V vs 18V is the USA vs UK marketingÂ* trick, but "rounding up" from 18V
to 40V would be quite a trick

Seems they'll be 10S packs, rather than 5S/2P packs ...

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 14/10/2019 19:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

once you "buy in" to a given manufacturer's cordless tools, you don't
generally want an extra battery and charger every time you buy another
tool to add to the collection ... I chose 18V Makita several years ago,
got 3x 3.0Ah batteries and a charger with a drill/impact combo set and
have bought several "bare" tools since, only recently when I purchased
a
36V tool did I buy a pair of 5.0Ah batteries along with a dual charger.

I see that next year Makita are to launch an "XGT" range of 40V
tools/batteries, presumably they'll gradually phase out the 36V dual LXT
tools?

https://www.makitauk.com/news/makita-offers-vision-of-cordless-future-with-expanded-lxt-and-new-xgt.html

They'll be needing shutters on the battery and charger connections soon.
;-)


A fully charged 18V LiIon ryobi battery is about 20V not 18V.

I expect they have just decided to use the same number of cells and quote
the fully charged voltage.

Unli8kely that they would have changed series code too tho.

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:54:34 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


A fully charged 18V LiIon ryobi battery is about 20V not 18V.

I expect they have just decided to use the same number of cells and quote
the fully charged voltage.

Unli8kely that they would have changed series code too tho.

Are you sure, senile bigmouth? Senilely sure, again? G

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On 14/10/2019 18:48, Andy Burns wrote:

I see that next year Makita are to launch an "XGT" range of 40V
tools/batteries, presumably they'll gradually phase out the 36V dual LXT
tools?

https://www.makitauk.com/news/makita-offers-vision-of-cordless-future-with-expanded-lxt-and-new-xgt.html


Is that really 40v or just a rebranding of 36v in the same way that
Bosch rebranded 10.8v as 12v?

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DJC wrote:

Is that really 40v or just a rebranding of 36v

makita don't currently make a 36V battery, their 36V tools use 2x18V
batteries, so it's a reconfiguration of the batteries to higher voltage
(but lower current)

in the same way that
Bosch rebranded 10.8v as 12v?

yes at the same time the marketing dept has convinced them to use the
max. voltage instead of nominal voltage

In article ,
says...

DJC wrote:


in the same way that
Bosch rebranded 10.8v as 12v?

yes at the same time the marketing dept has convinced them to use the
max. voltage instead of nominal voltage

No different to the 1.5V zinc carbon cells we all grew up with
which were really 1.4V for most of their working life.

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On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Probably because they are stolen.

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"TMH" wrote in message
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On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Probably because they are stolen.

Nope, most are sold that way now. Even by aldi.
No real point in having a new charger and battery
with every cordless tool when you buy more than
one tool in a manufacturer's product line.

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:27:02 +1100, ZakJames, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Probably because they are stolen.

Nope,

LOL Auto-contradicting senile asshole!

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On 16/10/2019 20:40, TMH wrote:
On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar


Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Probably because they are stolen.

There is a big market for "body only" tools these days, since many
people will buy into a battery platform, and then share it between all
their tools.

I buy body only versions of any new Makita (models numbers suffixed with
Z) kit for just that reason.


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