spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.





--
Adam

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".

On 07/09/2019 12:47, Jim wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".



Do they teach English grammar and spelling at all any more?


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before him."

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In message , ARW
writes
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Talking of schools, we purchased a whole school photo, taken a few
months ago, as it was child's last year. Amazed to count, on the photo,
85 yes 85 teachers and support staff, for a school with around 600
pupils. Yes, I know, times change, but I went to a similarly sized
school, and I doubt there were 20 staff including the cleaner.
--
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In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

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On 07/09/2019 12:47, Jim wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".


Brave man: given Google Groups has a long memory my view is "let them
who are without misapostrophisation cast the first stone"


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On 07/09/2019 12:32, ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.





but he would be a nice boy....tee hee

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?


Toilet training seems to be just another of the things where parents
increasingly blame anyone but themselves for their child's failings.

There was a head from a school "oop North" (I think Bradford) on Radio 4
a few weeks ago who said they now routinely have kids sent to them in
nappies so have in practice no option but to keep a stock and change
them. Admittedly this is with reception classes at age 4. And she made
much of circumstances - poverty, mothers with little or no English and
not working, etc. But even so it seems to me the school does have to
toilet train or face a messy few years.

Add to the list talking: unexceptional now for a child to turn up in
reception unable to communicate properly.


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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 13:09 7 Sep 2019, Graeme wrote:

In message , ARW
writes
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Talking of schools, we purchased a whole school photo, taken a few
months ago, as it was child's last year. Amazed to count, on the photo,
85 yes 85 teachers and support staff, for a school with around 600
pupils. Yes, I know, times change, but I went to a similarly sized
school, and I doubt there were 20 staff including the cleaner.

And I bet your old school's exams results were better than the wishy-washy
spoonfed prizes-for-coming-last results of today's schools.

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44068217

suggests that the teachers of young children may have to.




--
Adam

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:20:55 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

Is it not in the method statement and risk assessment?

Seriously. If it isn't covered, it should be.

AB

On 07/09/2019 13:09, Graeme wrote:
In message , ARW
writes
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that
can wipe it's own arse.

Talking of schools, we purchased a whole school photo, taken a few
months ago, as it was child's last year.Â* Amazed to count, on the photo,
85 yes 85 teachers and support staff, for a school with around 600
pupils.Â* Yes, I know, times change, but I went to a similarly sized
school, and I doubt there were 20 staff including the cleaner.

The "inclusion" staff?

--
Adam

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100, ARW
wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Well if schools have to tell kids to be tolerant to minorities,
parents have only themselves to blame. If schools have to waste time
teaching the patently bloody obvious, then hopefully it will reflect
on the academic outcome, jobs and the class of care home their knuckle
dragging parents get sent to. :-)

AB

On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 1:44:51 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 07/09/2019 12:32, ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.





but he would be a nice boy....tee hee

It is not the schools, it is the parents.
"I was a knob-head at school, hated all my teachers, and I'm going to make sure all my children are knob heads too." It will be because of these ignorant ****s that we have to teach children to be nice to each other.
There are many very talented and hard working pupils in school. There are plenty that would think nothing of moving rubble.
And there are the children that Adrian gets.
Get your boss to do work experience and offer the good ones an apprenticeship.

And if they also stopped forcing girls into trousers and let them were
reasonable skirts if they want to and concentrated on teaching, it might be
nice.

Brian

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"ARW" wrote in message
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spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.





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ARW wrote

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting
up anti gay and anti bullying posters I might eventually
find a school leaver that can wipe it's own arse.

You have already done that at least once.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 07/09/2019 12:47, Jim wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".



Do they teach English grammar and spelling at all any more?

Not in Yorkshire, they dont bother with english at all.

On Saturday, 7 September 2019 12:32:12 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters

anti bullying posters I can understand.

anti gay posters? these days?

Owain

On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 04:37:50 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Do they teach English grammar and spelling at all any more?

Not in Yorkshire, they don¢t bother with english at all.

What a boring non-stop bull****ter you are, you 85-year-old cretin! tsk

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On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 04:34:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting
up anti gay and anti bullying posters I might eventually
find a school leaver that can wipe it's own arse.

You have already done that at least once.

Trying to be "witty", senile idiot? Senilely witty? tsk

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On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:20:55 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44068217

suggests that the teachers of young children may have to.

I swear on my mother's grave that this is the gospel truth. We have a
friend who was a primary teacher. One day she had a class of P1's (~5
years old) and one of the boys asked to be excused to go to the
toilet. A short while later he returned to the classroom with his
trousers at his ankles and said "Please Miss, who does the bums?"

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:32:10 +0100, Custos Custodum
wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:20:55 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44068217

suggests that the teachers of young children may have to.

I swear on my mother's grave that this is the gospel truth. We have a
friend who was a primary teacher. One day she had a class of P1's (~5
years old) and one of the boys asked to be excused to go to the
toilet. A short while later he returned to the classroom with his
trousers at his ankles and said "Please Miss, who does the bums?"

How did he return? Did he walk on his hands?

AB

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:57:32 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:32:10 +0100, Custos Custodum
wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:20:55 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44068217

suggests that the teachers of young children may have to.

I swear on my mother's grave that this is the gospel truth. We have a
friend who was a primary teacher. One day she had a class of P1's (~5
years old) and one of the boys asked to be excused to go to the
toilet. A short while later he returned to the classroom with his
trousers at his ankles and said "Please Miss, who does the bums?"

How did he return?

Same way as anyone else, I imagine - with very short steps.

Did he walk on his hands?

Probably not, though I have seen 5-year-olds do that sort of thing.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:32:10 +0100
Custos Custodum wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:20:55 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti
gay and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school
leaver that can wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to
teach kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44068217

suggests that the teachers of young children may have to.

I swear on my mother's grave that this is the gospel truth. We have a
friend who was a primary teacher. One day she had a class of P1's (~5
years old) and one of the boys asked to be excused to go to the
toilet. A short while later he returned to the classroom with his
trousers at his ankles and said "Please Miss, who does the bums?"

Was the child named 'Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson' by any chance?

On 2019-09-07 1:32 p.m., Custos Custodum wrote:
On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:57:32 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Sep 2019 20:32:10 +0100, Custos Custodum
wrote:

On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 15:20:55 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?

I am talking school leavers and simple tasks such as put the rubble
sacks in the van

However

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44068217

suggests that the teachers of young children may have to.

I swear on my mother's grave that this is the gospel truth. We have a
friend who was a primary teacher. One day she had a class of P1's (~5
years old) and one of the boys asked to be excused to go to the
toilet. A short while later he returned to the classroom with his
trousers at his ankles and said "Please Miss, who does the bums?"

How did he return?

Same way as anyone else, I imagine - with very short steps.

Did he walk on his hands?

Probably not, though I have seen 5-year-olds do that sort of thing.

someone stole my question

On Saturday, 7 September 2019 12:47:32 UTC+1, Jim wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".

His use of it's was correct.(Possessive)
It's you that's thick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zx9ydxs

Robin wrote:
On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?


Toilet training seems to be just another of the things where parents
increasingly blame anyone but themselves for their child's failings.

There was a head from a school "oop North" (I think Bradford) on Radio 4
a few weeks ago who said they now routinely have kids sent to them in
nappies so have in practice no option but to keep a stock and change
them. Admittedly this is with reception classes at age 4. And she made
much of circumstances - poverty, mothers with little or no English and
not working, etc. But even so it seems to me the school does have to
toilet train or face a messy few years.

Add to the list talking: unexceptional now for a child to turn up in
reception unable to communicate properly.



Indeed.

While it wasnt a problem I generally experienced as a teacher- the
majority of pupils I taught were lucky enough to have responsible parents
who not only cared for them but wanted their children to do well in life-
far too many parents see their children as someone elses responsibility.

You only need glance at the media for some basic examples: parents
complaining about school uniforms at this time of year. Towards the
spring/summer, parents complaining they cant take their children out of
school for a holiday etc. Stories of children who are just €˜lively
(actually they disrupt classes, are violent etc) being excluded and their
parents blaming the Government, Local Authorities, .......

The problem doesnt end there. These problem children turn into adults who
have no sense of responsibility, blame others for their own lack of
success, even worse have children who they bring up with the same lack of
self respect and values.

misterroy wrote:
On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 1:44:51 PM UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 07/09/2019 12:32, ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.





but he would be a nice boy....tee hee

It is not the schools, it is the parents.
"I was a knob-head at school, hated all my teachers, and I'm going to
make sure all my children are knob heads too."

That, unfortunately, is all too common. They dont want their children to
succeed where they failed. I actually heard someone say they would be
horrified if their son went to University. (The poor boy wasnt a pupil and
ended up with pitiful qualifications and in a dead end job.)

It will be because of these ignorant ****s that we have to teach children
to be nice to each other.
There are many very talented and hard working pupils in school.


Exactly.

One of the first things they teach you when training is that in a given
class there tends to be a few who will cause problems. A few who never
misbehave. The rest go with the flow. It isnt a precise guide but it works
pretty well. If you take care of the problems, the rest will follow. Once
you have a €˜learning environment, the rest is easy.

On 08/09/2019 07:04, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 7 September 2019 12:47:32 UTC+1, Jim wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".

His use of it's was correct.(Possessive)
It's you that's thick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zx9ydxs

Except, of course that it *was* incorrect.

People often get "its"/"it's" wrong. The possessive is "its" and "it's"
is always a contraction of "it is" or "it has."

"It's" works the same way as the contractions "wheres" or "theres" and
"its" is a possessive just like "my" or "your."

SteveW

Brian Gaff wrote on 07/09/2019 :
And if they also stopped forcing girls into trousers

....and if they didn't permit boys to wear skirts to school lol

In message , ARW
writes
On 07/09/2019 13:09, Graeme wrote:
Yes, I know, times change, but I went to a similarly sized school,
and I doubt there were 20 staff including the cleaner.

The "inclusion" staff?

No idea really. On visits to the school, there always seem to be almost
as many adults as children wandering around, but many of them, although
qualified as teachers, rarely if ever teach. Support staff, wellbeing
staff, special needs staff, career staff, the list is endless. There is
a head and two deputies, none of whom actually teach regularly.
--
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 10:49:22 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote on 07/09/2019 :
And if they also stopped forcing girls into trousers

...and if they didn't permit boys to wear skirts to school lol

It seems odd, but why not allow people to express their individuality.

One wonders if teacher training is up to the challenge :-)

Head teachers would be totally screwed at any expression of
independent thought anyway.

AB

On 07/09/2019 13:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.

Out of interest, Adam, do you really think it's a school's job to teach
kids how to wipe their arse?




They are only following the rule they have to follow.

You know who I really blame.

When my mother was a nurse on the children's ward there was often a note
on the medical file marked as SPS.

That stood for "slack parent syndrome"


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On 08/09/2019 08:24, Steve Walker wrote:
On 08/09/2019 07:04, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 7 September 2019 12:47:32 UTC+1, JimÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay
and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver
that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".

His use of it's was correct.(Possessive)
It's you that's thick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zx9ydxs

Except, of course that it *was* incorrect.

People often get "its"/"it's" wrong. The possessive is "its" and "it's"
is always a contraction of "it is" or "it has."

"It's" works the same way as the contractions "wheres" or "theres" and
"its" is a possessive just like "my" or "your."

SteveW
Correct.

It's (sic!) one of those odd exceptions to the 'rules' of English.




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other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

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On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
harry wrote:

On Saturday, 7 September 2019 12:47:32 UTC+1, Jim wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:32:11 +0100
ARW wrote:

spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti
gay and anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school
leaver that can wipe it's own arse.


You might even find one that knows the difference between "it's" and
"its".

His use of it's was correct.(Possessive)
It's you that's thick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zx9ydxs

" "

"Graeme" wrote in message
news
There is a head and two deputies, none of whom actually teach regularly.

I think it's normal for the head and deputy head to spend most of their time
managing and very little, if any, time teaching. As in any walk of life: the
more senior you get, the less time you spend doing what you are trained to
do and the more time you spend managing other people doing it.

At the infant/junior school that I went to, I don't think the headmistress
and headmaster taught at all.

At the first secondary school, the head taught us scripture (double
scripture on a Saturday morning - deep joy!) and according to the prospectus
he also taught "modern languages" - probably to the senior boys. The deputy
taught chemistry to the sixth form but otherwise managed.

At the second secondary school (Dad changed jobs) the head didn't teach -
the only time we saw him was when he droned on in assembly about "you must
have a Good Revision Programme" and "the Good Name of the School" (delivered
while standing ramrod straight, head back, looking down his nose - all of
which was imitated mercilessly!) and the deputies spent a fair amount of
time teaching - but then there were two joint deputy heads so their probably
shared the managerial side of the job.

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
And if they also stopped forcing girls into trousers and let them were
reasonable skirts if they want to and concentrated on teaching, it might
be nice.

Or you could let the boys wear skirts if they want to. ;-)

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On 08/09/2019 12:46, NY wrote:
"Graeme" wrote in message
news
There is a head and two deputies, none of whom actually teach regularly.

I think it's normal for the head and deputy head to spend most of their
time managing and very little, if any, time teaching. As in any walk of
life: the more senior you get, the less time you spend doing what you
are trained to do and the more time you spend managing other people
doing it.

At the infant/junior school that I went to, I don't think the
headmistress and headmaster taught at all.

They did in mine, but that was a private school. They owned it.
The only none teacher I can recall is the cook. She might have been a
cleaner as well.

But of course to make a profit you dont have hundreds of demarcated
staff do you?



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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
If you take care of the problems, the rest will follow. Once
you have a �learning environment‘, the rest is easy.


Seems a bit at odds with your views on parliament today?

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On 07/09/2019 12:32, ARW wrote:
spend more time actually teaching subjects than putting up anti gay and
anti bullying posters I might eventually find a school leaver that can
wipe it's own arse.


Well, I suspect in our day we'd get a bollocking at school and then
another one at home from the parents for showing them up.

Nowadays the parents would probably turn on the teacher.