On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:43:35 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Which car model and year ?

02:43 am in Australia??? LMAO! Did you get out of bed just to ask that
question, you forsaken senile troll from Australia? LOL

--
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cretin from Oz:
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 03:25:37 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH troll****

Seriously, 03:25 am in Australia? And you've been out of bed and trolling
for almost an hour ALREADY? Life seems to be really miserable if one has
absolutely NO ONE to talk and if NO ONE likes you, eh, senile Rodent?

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:43:59 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
wrote:

[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!

MEAN WHILE, YOU have been known to stay up until 2 am STALKING this
latest BENEFICIARY of your DEMENTED AUTISTIC OBSESSIONS! And missing
your nightly GREEKING as a RESULT!

Such a hypocrisy already!

On 10/09/2019 11:38, Norman Wells wrote:
On 10/09/2019 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Fredxx wrote:
You think the label will say 'The only way this product is suitable for
human consumption was by the addition of chlorine'?

It will probably say "enhanced cleanliness" or something similar. Do you
drink water made "suitable for human consumption was by the addition of
chlorine"?

Good to know you can't see the difference between something which is
necessary and something which isn't.

If adding chlorine was necessary to make chicken safe to eat, why
isn't it
used in the UK?

It isn't exactly safe to eat, not if you take preparation into account
as part of that.Â* There are even official warnings about washing raw
chicken under the tap for example:

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-wel...h-raw-chicken/

Moreover, campylobacter, which is the commonest form of food poisoning
in the UK, comes in the main from eating contaminated cooked chicken:

You mean insufficiently cooked meat and stored at refrigerated, and
above, temperatures. That rarely occurs when the chicken has been frozen.

Why not ban fresh chicken?

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:28:27 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grikbasterd®™", farted again:


[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!

MEAN WHILE, YOU have been known to stay up until 2 am STALKING this
latest BENEFICIARY of your DEMENTED AUTISTIC OBSESSIONS! And missing
your nightly GREEKING as a RESULT!

Such a hypocrisy already!

LOL Just HOW do you manage to sound like a clinically insane nutter ALL of
the time, Retardovic? What's your secret?

Is it because you ARE clinically insane? As if we didn't know it, eh, serb
peasant? ROTFLOL

--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic answering a question whether there
is any meaningful debate to lower the age of consent:
"If there isn't, there should be."
MID:

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:28:27 -0700, Grikbasterd®?
wrote:

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:43:59 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
wrote:

[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!

MEAN WHILE, YOU have been known to stay up until 2 am STALKING this
latest BENEFICIARY of your DEMENTED AUTISTIC OBSESSIONS! And missing
your nightly GREEKING as a RESULT!

Such a hypocrisy already!

Simply UNBELIEBABLE!

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:49:09 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "NEMO", farted again:


Simply UNBELIEBABLE!

Your idiocy certainly is, pedophilic gay Razovic!

--
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"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID:

Fredxx wrote:
On 10/09/2019 11:38, Norman Wells wrote:
On 10/09/2019 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Fredxx wrote:
You think the label will say 'The only way this product is suitable for
human consumption was by the addition of chlorine'?

It will probably say "enhanced cleanliness" or something similar. Do you
drink water made "suitable for human consumption was by the addition of
chlorine"?

Good to know you can't see the difference between something which is
necessary and something which isn't.

If adding chlorine was necessary to make chicken safe to eat, why
isn't it
used in the UK?

It isn't exactly safe to eat, not if you take preparation into account
as part of that.Â* There are even official warnings about washing raw
chicken under the tap for example:

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-wel...h-raw-chicken/

Moreover, campylobacter, which is the commonest form of food poisoning
in the UK, comes in the main from eating contaminated cooked chicken:

You mean insufficiently cooked meat and stored at refrigerated, and
above, temperatures. That rarely occurs when the chicken has been frozen.

Why not ban fresh chicken?



Freezing doesnt kill bacteria.

Problems often arise when food isnt fully defrosted and, as a result, not
fully cooked in the normal cooking times / temperature etc.

Take beef.

If it has bacteria on the surface, not at all uncommon, an you freeze it,
the bacteria remains on the surface. If you defrost the beef and BBQ it,
even if you eat it rare, the cooking will almost certainly kill the surface
bacteria and there is no problem.

However, if you mince the beef, either before or after freezing, the
bacteria which was on the surface is now distributed through the mince.
Form it into burgers and cook as before and some bacteria can survive,
unless you cook it thoroughly.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/2019 17:26, michael adams wrote:

At least you do get the odd latin phrase thrown in, when you
splash out 25K I suppose. Have you been billed for any
refreshers yet?

Anyone know what the twerp is talking about?

Man spends £30,000 fighting £100 speeding fine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-49641063

Please note: fine £100 Barristers Fees £21,000 Court Fees £8,000

So that basically this chap ended up paying this barrister £21,000
for the privilege of being told it would be well worth his while
paying him, the barrister £21,000 and £8000 in Court fees simply
in order to avoid a £100 speeding fine.

And not only that but much of this took place in a Magistrates Court.
Where they're more used to people representing themselves and so
may well have made allowances, and where your £21,000 barrister won't
even be allowed to wear his or her wig or gown.



Ultra vires is an extremely important legal principle, like
habeas corpus.
It is the one case in which the law can say 'act as though
legally that has never happened'

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,


michael adams

....

"Brian Reay" wrote in message ...

However, if you mince the beef, either before or after freezing, the
bacteria which was on the surface is now distributed through the mince.

Indeed. It's a shame nobody had ever explained that to the 77 year old Michael
Winner at some point in his life. Before he embarked on the three days
in a row steak tartare binge which ultimately killed him.

Having previously eaten a poisoned oyster in Barbados four years previously.



michael adams

....

On 10/09/2019 19:40, Fredxx wrote:
On 10/09/2019 11:38, Norman Wells wrote:
On 10/09/2019 11:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Fredxx wrote:
You think the label will say 'The only way this product is suitable
for
human consumption was by the addition of chlorine'?

It will probably say "enhanced cleanliness" or something similar. Do
you
drink water made "suitable for human consumption was by the addition of
chlorine"?

Good to know you can't see the difference between something which is
necessary and something which isn't.

If adding chlorine was necessary to make chicken safe to eat, why
isn't it
used in the UK?

It isn't exactly safe to eat, not if you take preparation into account
as part of that.Â* There are even official warnings about washing raw
chicken under the tap for example:

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-wel...h-raw-chicken/

Moreover, campylobacter, which is the commonest form of food poisoning
in the UK, comes in the main from eating contaminated cooked chicken:

You mean insufficiently cooked meat and stored at refrigerated, and
above, temperatures. That rarely occurs when the chicken has been frozen.

Why not ban fresh chicken?

Maybe we should. But it's a damning indictment of the safety of fresh
chicken in the UK, and of the EU rules for its production, if we should,
isn't it?

"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
On 09/09/2019 16:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Want to say what it was?

some emission sensor or other

the actual emissions were fine, it was just the sensor that was
buggerd

Pattern ones are about £30.


You shouldn't tell him that he likes to think the EU caused him to
scrap
the car and not stupidity.

Oddly, it was the US that started emissions controls on cars, not the
EU.
Nothing to do with saving the planet, but to make things more
comfortable
around LA.

And an MOT doesn't check emissions throughout an engine's range.

but it does check that the sensor warning light is off


Any condition I can think of that would cause the engine management light
to come on would also result in a failure;

MOT Failure or Engine Management failure?

but I don't think that just having the light come on would, by itself, do
so.

Any mandatory waning light that is permanently on, is an MOT failure. The
owner is expected to fix, whatever it is that has caused the light to come
on.

The excuse "I don't use the rear seats so the seat belt warning light wrong
being on when no-one is sitting in the rear seats isn't a problem for me",
doesn't wash.

(and any warning light that doesn't come on at start up is also a failure -
to avoid people just taking the bulb out, if that's even possible with
integrate consoles)

Although I'd be interested to hear of any possible examples where it might
not.

The engine management systems light comes on when it detects any of the
sensors has failed. It matters not that the emission are still 100%
correct. The failed sensor is enough

HTH

tim

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 10/09/2019 14:03, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
On 09/09/2019 16:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Want to say what it was?

some emission sensor or other

the actual emissions were fine, it was just the sensor that was
buggerd

Pattern ones are about £30.


You shouldn't tell him that he likes to think the EU caused him to
scrap
the car and not stupidity.

Oddly, it was the US that started emissions controls on cars, not the
EU.
Nothing to do with saving the planet, but to make things more
comfortable
around LA.

And an MOT doesn't check emissions throughout an engine's range.

but it does check that the sensor warning light is off


Any condition I can think of that would cause the engine management light
to come on would also result in a failure; but I don't think that just
having the light come on would, by itself, do so. Although I'd be
interested to hear of any possible examples where it might not.

Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run, just at
high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

tim

michael adams mjadams25@ukonline wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message ...

However, if you mince the beef, either before or after freezing, the
bacteria which was on the surface is now distributed through the mince.

Indeed. It's a shame nobody had ever explained that to the 77 year old Michael
Winner at some point in his life. Before he embarked on the three days
in a row steak tartare binge which ultimately killed him.


It is a very popular dish in France and the Low Countries.

Im surprised Remainers dont eat it every meal ;-)

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:15:41 +0100, dim... wrote:


some sensors can fail

dim

....not as much as your senile brain fails you, dim! BG

On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/2019 17:26, michael adams wrote:

At least you do get the odd latin phrase thrown in, when you
splash out 25K I suppose. Have you been billed for any
refreshers yet?

Anyone know what the twerp is talking about?

Man spends £30,000 fighting £100 speeding fine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-49641063

Please note: fine £100 Barristers Fees £21,000 Court Fees £8,000

So that basically this chap ended up paying this barrister £21,000
for the privilege of being told it would be well worth his while
paying him, the barrister £21,000 and £8000 in Court fees simply
in order to avoid a £100 speeding fine.

And not only that but much of this took place in a Magistrates Court.
Where they're more used to people representing themselves and so
may well have made allowances, and where your £21,000 barrister won't
even be allowed to wear his or her wig or gown.



Ultra vires is an extremely important legal principle, like
habeas corpus.
It is the one case in which the law can say 'act as though
legally that has never happened'

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is
more than just a latin phrase.

Your egotism exceeds your ignorance.


michael adams

...





--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 11/09/2019 08:54, michael adams wrote:
in a row steak tartare binge which ultimately killed him.

Presumably that shoud be steaks in row rather than row steaks?

Having previously eaten a poisoned oyster in Barbados four years previously.

Shame it didnt kill you.

What a plonquer.

--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 11/09/2019 09:11, tim... wrote:
The excuse "I don't use the rear seats so the seat belt warning light
wrong being on when no-one is sitting in the rear seats isn't a problem
for me", doesn't wash.

hey failed my freelander for 'inoperable rear seat belt'

They had I suspect DELIBERATELY pulled the belt out, twisted it 180
degrees and fed it back into the slot.

Didnt tale lomg to strip the lining and untwist it.



--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 11/09/2019 09:15, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 10/09/2019 14:03, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Â* dennis@home wrote:
On 09/09/2019 16:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* tim... wrote:
Want to say what it was?

some emission sensor or other

the actual emissions were fine, it was just the sensor that was
buggerd

Pattern ones are about £30.


You shouldn't tell him that he likes to think the EU caused him to
scrap
the car and not stupidity.

Oddly, it was the US that started emissions controls on cars, not
the EU.
Nothing to do with saving the planet, but to make things more
comfortable
around LA.

And an MOT doesn't check emissions throughout an engine's range.

but it does check that the sensor warning light is off


Any condition I can think of that would cause the engine management
light to come on would also result in a failure; but I don't think
that just having the light come on would, by itself, do so.Â* Although
I'd be interested to hear of any possible examples where it might not.

Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run,
just at high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

Then one might question why they are there at all.

tim





--
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/2019 17:26, michael adams wrote:

At least you do get the odd latin phrase thrown in, when you
splash out 25K I suppose. Have you been billed for any
refreshers yet?

Anyone know what the twerp is talking about?

Man spends £30,000 fighting £100 speeding fine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-49641063

Please note: fine £100 Barristers Fees £21,000 Court Fees £8,000

So that basically this chap ended up paying this barrister £21,000
for the privilege of being told it would be well worth his while
paying him, the barrister £21,000 and £8000 in Court fees simply
in order to avoid a £100 speeding fine.

And not only that but much of this took place in a Magistrates Court.
Where they're more used to people representing themselves and so
may well have made allowances, and where your £21,000 barrister won't
even be allowed to wear his or her wig or gown.



Ultra vires is an extremely important legal principle, like
habeas corpus.
It is the one case in which the law can say 'act as though
legally that has never happened'

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just a
latin phrase.

So what case would that be ?


michael adams

....

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 08:54, michael adams wrote:
in a row steak tartare binge which ultimately killed him.

Presumably that shoud be steaks in row rather than row steaks?

It was a "three days in a row"steak tartare binge not three steaks in a row.
He only had one steak on each day.

The idea that you could possibly have ever won a Court case of any description as
you're now claiming elsewhere, recedes by the minute.

Unless of course you relied on forged documents mirroring your posting
behaviour on here. Or bribed the other side to work an insurance
scam maybe.


michael adams

....

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just a
latin phrase.

Your egotism

er ego /ig, e-/ n. Pl. -os. E19. [L = I pron.] DNB

I take you do know what the L denotes there ?


michael adams

....

On 11/09/2019 12:13, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 09/09/2019 17:26, michael adams wrote:

At least you do get the odd latin phrase thrown in, when you
splash out 25K I suppose. Have you been billed for any
refreshers yet?

Anyone know what the twerp is talking about?

Man spends £30,000 fighting £100 speeding fine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-49641063

Please note: fine £100 Barristers Fees £21,000 Court Fees £8,000

So that basically this chap ended up paying this barrister £21,000
for the privilege of being told it would be well worth his while
paying him, the barrister £21,000 and £8000 in Court fees simply
in order to avoid a £100 speeding fine.

And not only that but much of this took place in a Magistrates Court.
Where they're more used to people representing themselves and so
may well have made allowances, and where your £21,000 barrister won't
even be allowed to wear his or her wig or gown.



Ultra vires is an extremely important legal principle, like
habeas corpus.
It is the one case in which the law can say 'act as though
legally that has never happened'

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just a
latin phrase.

So what case would that be ?


None of your ****ing business


michael adams

...




--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 11/09/2019 12:24, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 08:54, michael adams wrote:
in a row steak tartare binge which ultimately killed him.

Presumably that shoud be steaks in row rather than row steaks?

It was a "three days in a row"steak tartare binge not three steaks in a row.
He only had one steak on each day.

The idea that you could possibly have ever won a Court case of any description as
you're now claiming elsewhere, recedes by the minute.

Unless of course you relied on forged documents mirroring your posting
behaviour on here. Or bribed the other side to work an insurance
scam maybe.


It is always nice to see how the Remain mind works


--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 11/09/2019 12:27, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just a
latin phrase.

Your egotism

er ego /ig, e-/ n. Pl. -os. E19. [L = I pron.] DNB

I take you do know what the L denotes there ?

er

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism

Christ you are a thicker **** than I ever imagined possible


michael adams

...




--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 12:24, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 08:54, michael adams wrote:
in a row steak tartare binge which ultimately killed him.

Presumably that shoud be steaks in row rather than row steaks?

It was a "three days in a row"steak tartare binge not three steaks in a row.
He only had one steak on each day.

The idea that you could possibly have ever won a Court case of any description as
you're now claiming elsewhere, recedes by the minute.

Unless of course you relied on forged documents mirroring your posting
behaviour on here. Or bribed the other side to work an insurance
scam maybe.


It is always nice to see how the Remain mind works

We can rely on the Majesty of the Law.

Possibly you and Timmy can come up with something he can present to the
Supreme Court next week, to get him out of the **** ?

Misleading the Her Majesty the Queen ? Dear dear me !



michael adams

....

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 12:27, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just
a
latin phrase.

Your egotism

er ego /ig, e-/ n. Pl. -os. E19. [L = I pron.] DNB

I take you do know what the L denotes there ?

er

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism

Christ you are a thicker **** than I ever imagined possible

Still snipping away I see. As if nobody would notice. Anyway here
is what I actually posted -

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.


michael adams

....

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just
a
latin phrase.

So what case would that be ?


None of your ****ing business

Weren't you disputing a Parking Ticket in Cambridge
at one time ?

Is it that ?


michael adams

....

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run,
just at high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

Which ones would those be?

--
*Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/09/2019 09:11, tim... wrote:
The excuse "I don't use the rear seats so the seat belt warning light
wrong being on when no-one is sitting in the rear seats isn't a
problem for me", doesn't wash.

hey failed my freelander for 'inoperable rear seat belt'

They had I suspect DELIBERATELY pulled the belt out, twisted it 180
degrees and fed it back into the slot.

Your paranoia is in overdrive today.

Didnt tale lomg to strip the lining and untwist it.

--
*Can atheists get insurance for acts of God? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:05:44 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
On 10/09/2019 13:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Norman Wells wrote:

If adding chlorine was necessary to make chicken safe to eat, why isn't it
used in the UK?

It isn't exactly safe to eat, not if you take preparation into account
as part of that. There are even official warnings about washing raw
chicken under the tap for example:

I wasn't suggesting you eat it raw. Do you do this?

It's pretty serious contamination if you're advised *not* to wash it
first for fear of spreading the contamination around.

It does sound a little weird.
I think using the word never is a bit odd.
perhaps you shouldn't wash yuor hands either after using the toilet as that too could spread bacteria in a similar way.


And if you buy it raw, you'll be handling it, preparing it, and maybe
even undercooking it.

I'd wash it if I thought it needed it.


It *must* be better to do what you can to reduce the contamination, and
chlotrine washing is one cheap and effective way. It's daft not to.

On Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:40:48 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 10/09/2019 13:24, whisky-dave wrote:

Chlorine is used to wash salad in the EU.

You mean tap water?

No.

Washing chicken in chlorine and other disinfectants to remove harmful bacteria was a practice banned by the European Union (EU) in 1997 over food safety concerns. ... Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.5 Mar 2019


https://www.healthyfood.com/ask-the-...-and-chlorine/

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:30:13 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run,
just at high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

Which ones would those be?


Not the crankshaft position sensor.

But the emissions sensors generally provide feedback. If one fails, the
engine light will come on and the engine management system will use the
last available settings from when the sensor was working. In the long
term, the engine will drift out of emissions spec. but it will go on
running reasonably well for a while.

Early engine management systems used a default set of values after
sensor failure, which would generally get you home but was quite poor.
It's a bit more sophisticated today.

But to drift back to the topic, my current car has tyre pressure
sensors, which are literally more trouble than they are worth, as they
are worthless. They are not particularly accurate, and apparently put
more wear and tear on valve bodies than formerly. I've had to replace
two valves, at a cost of about thirty pounds, which have torn around the
seating. Again, light on, MOT fail, regardless of the actual tyre
pressures, which of course are a potential failure point in their own
right.

--
Joe

On 11/09/2019 13:16, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 12:27, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than just
a
latin phrase.

Your egotism

er ego /ig, e-/ n. Pl. -os. E19. [L = I pron.] DNB

I take you do know what the L denotes there ?

er

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism

Christ you are a thicker **** than I ever imagined possible

Still snipping away I see. As if nobody would notice. Anyway here
is what I actually posted -

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

So you admit that egotism is a word with whuch you are entirely
uinfmailar then?


michael adams

...





--
The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about.

Anon.

In article ,
Joe wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:30:13 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run,
just at high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

Which ones would those be?


Not the crankshaft position sensor.

But the emissions sensors generally provide feedback. If one fails, the
engine light will come on and the engine management system will use the
last available settings from when the sensor was working. In the long
term, the engine will drift out of emissions spec. but it will go on
running reasonably well for a while.

Not on my new car 6 years ago. Engine would tick over - but that was it.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Joe wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:30:13 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run,
just at high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

Which ones would those be?


Not the crankshaft position sensor.


Possibly the worst one to go :-)

But the emissions sensors generally provide feedback. If one fails, the
engine light will come on and the engine management system will use the
last available settings from when the sensor was working. In the long
term, the engine will drift out of emissions spec. but it will go on
running reasonably well for a while.

Early engine management systems used a default set of values after
sensor failure, which would generally get you home but was quite poor.
It's a bit more sophisticated today.

But to drift back to the topic, my current car has tyre pressure
sensors, which are literally more trouble than they are worth, as they
are worthless. They are not particularly accurate, and apparently put
more wear and tear on valve bodies than formerly. I've had to replace
two valves, at a cost of about thirty pounds, which have torn around the
seating. Again, light on, MOT fail, regardless of the actual tyre
pressures, which of course are a potential failure point in their own
right.


Did you have an actual fail for a tyre pressure warning? That seems a
bit harsh, unless they are are obviously visually low.

whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:05:44 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
On 10/09/2019 13:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Norman Wells wrote:

If adding chlorine was necessary to make chicken safe to eat, why isn't it
used in the UK?

It isn't exactly safe to eat, not if you take preparation into account
as part of that. There are even official warnings about washing raw
chicken under the tap for example:

I wasn't suggesting you eat it raw. Do you do this?

It's pretty serious contamination if you're advised *not* to wash it
first for fear of spreading the contamination around.

It does sound a little weird.
I think using the word never is a bit odd.
perhaps you shouldn't wash yuor hands either after using the toilet as
that too could spread bacteria in a similar way.


And if you buy it raw, you'll be handling it, preparing it, and maybe
even undercooking it.

I'd wash it if I thought it needed it.


It *must* be better to do what you can to reduce the contamination, and
chlotrine washing is one cheap and effective way. It's daft not to.



The idea behind not washing chicken, especially previously frozen chicken,
in particular under a tap ( as was once recommended, is that you may splash
contaminated water around and not clean it up.

Any bacteria on the surface of the chicken, including the body cavity,
should be killed by proper cooking.

Problems arise if the chicken isnt fully defrosted and therefore doesnt
reach the correct temperature everywhere or isnt cooked long enough or at
a high enough temperature.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 13:16, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 11/09/2019 12:27, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

On 11/09/2019 08:53, michael adams wrote:
It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

More especially if, as I say, latin phrases are involved,

Since I fought a case on whiuch that issue was pertinent Michael,it is more than
just
a
latin phrase.

Your egotism

er ego /ig, e-/ n. Pl. -os. E19. [L = I pron.] DNB

I take you do know what the L denotes there ?

er

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism

Christ you are a thicker **** than I ever imagined possible

Still snipping away I see. As if nobody would notice. Anyway here
is what I actually posted -

Indeed. Wikipedia is a really great idea isn't it ?

It allows clueless people to convince even more clueless
people that they actually know what they're talking about.

So you admit that egotism is a word with whuch you are entirely uinfmailar then?

Er no.

Because in this case, your citing of Wikipedia failed to convince
me that you know what you're talking about.

( Which to be fair would be a diffiicult enough job under any circumstances)

Had I been even more clueless then you are, then your conclusion
would indeed be correct.

But I'm not, so it isn't.

Anyway how is Boris's defence coming along ?

( At this point I'd like to express a sincere vote of thanks to all those
members of the Conservative Party who voted for Boris as
leader of their Party for providing unparalleled entertainment
ever since he was elected, What with Mr Pastry getting the
bullet from Trtump it's been quite a week so far.

michael adams

....

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 15:23:04 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:05:44 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
On 10/09/2019 13:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Norman Wells wrote:

If adding chlorine was necessary to make chicken safe to eat, why isn't it
used in the UK?

It isn't exactly safe to eat, not if you take preparation into account
as part of that. There are even official warnings about washing raw
chicken under the tap for example:

I wasn't suggesting you eat it raw. Do you do this?

It's pretty serious contamination if you're advised *not* to wash it
first for fear of spreading the contamination around.

It does sound a little weird.
I think using the word never is a bit odd.
perhaps you shouldn't wash yuor hands either after using the toilet as
that too could spread bacteria in a similar way.


And if you buy it raw, you'll be handling it, preparing it, and maybe
even undercooking it.

I'd wash it if I thought it needed it.


It *must* be better to do what you can to reduce the contamination, and
chlotrine washing is one cheap and effective way. It's daft not to.



The idea behind not washing chicken, especially previously frozen chicken,
in particular under a tap ( as was once recommended, is that you may splash
contaminated water around and not clean it up.

That goes for any product, including me washing my hands after I've fed the cat or had a crap. This sort of thing wss bought up a coupe of years ago regarding the new (then ) dyson hand dryers as they were blowing the water off peoples hands adn then into their face as you swiviled the nozel.
Well at least I worked out the possible problems and said I didn't like them so I avioded toilets with them in.
we have the new versions now which blow the water back onto the grion area of your trousers.

https://www.dyson.co.uk/hand-dryers.html
The right hand side version.



Any bacteria on the surface of the chicken, including the body cavity,
should be killed by proper cooking.

Problems arise if the chicken isnt fully defrosted and therefore doesnt
reach the correct temperature everywhere or isnt cooked long enough or at
a high enough temperature.

Stanard for most meats isn't it.

In article ,
Joe wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:30:13 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Well some of the exhaust sensors can fail and the engine will run,
just at high emissions for example.

some sensors can fail and the engine will still run normally

Which ones would those be?


Not the crankshaft position sensor.

On some makes, the cam position sensor can take over when the CPS fails,
and allow the engine to run in limp home mode.

But the emissions sensors generally provide feedback. If one fails, the
engine light will come on and the engine management system will use the
last available settings from when the sensor was working. In the long
term, the engine will drift out of emissions spec. but it will go on
running reasonably well for a while.

True. Depends on what you mean by run normally.

Early engine management systems used a default set of values after
sensor failure, which would generally get you home but was quite poor.
It's a bit more sophisticated today.

But to drift back to the topic, my current car has tyre pressure
sensors, which are literally more trouble than they are worth, as they
are worthless. They are not particularly accurate, and apparently put
more wear and tear on valve bodies than formerly. I've had to replace
two valves, at a cost of about thirty pounds, which have torn around the
seating. Again, light on, MOT fail, regardless of the actual tyre
pressures, which of course are a potential failure point in their own
right.

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*If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?

Dave Plowman London SW
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