"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:42, Keema's Nan wrote:
On 4 Sep 2019, Dave Plowman (News) wrote
(in article ):

In iganews.com,
Keema's Nan wrote:
We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's
quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into Boris€˜s
trap.

Which desert is your head buried in?

The one called 'UK Parliament logical and adult decisions'.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49551893

The UK parliament is doing what the majority say they want.

Nope, what the polls claim that the majority say they want.

To do anything else is undemocratic.

Yeah, **** the referendum where we can see what
those who bothered to vote said they wanted.

In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.

So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.
--
Ian

"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Pamela wrote:
On 10:42 4 Sep 2019, MM wrote:

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:13:21 +0100, Keema's Nan
wrote:

On 4 Sep 2019, Spike wrote
(in article ):

On 03/09/2019 19:19, Keema's Nan wrote:
On 3 Sep 2019, Stephen Cole wrote

So, the forthcoming General Election campaign is going to be quite
the spectacle as we see the real Boris Johnson exposed and
crushed. Its going
to be great! Goodbye Brexit! :-D

Goodbye any thin veneer of democracy.

The people voted for Brexit, but the Establishment didnt want that.

At least now the electorate are finding out before they have to vote
(if they
can be bothered) ever again.

We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and
crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into Boriss
trap.

On the contrary, they have seen the trap and are navigating around it
by not supporting Johnson's call for a general election. Without a 2/3
majority Johnson cannot have a general election.

They can control parliamentary proceedings as much as they like, but it
will not get them out of the trap.

They are in no trap. They saw the trap way ahead of today's vote and
are avoiding it.

MM

Corbyn's no mug. He's forcing Boris to clean up his own mess.


Corbyns into his fourth decade of Parliament and his fifth or sixth
decade
of campaigning Leftist politics. JC knows how to play the game,

Thats very arguable given that he has only recently managed to
get to be a shadow minister or labour leader.

certainly much better than any Eton slob born
with a silver spoon in their mouth might.

We'll see...

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:10, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article .com,
Keema's Nan wrote:
We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's
quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and
crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into Boris€˜s
trap.

Which desert is your head buried in?

They can control parliamentary proceedings as much as they like, but it
will not get them out of the trap.

Meaning it is actually Cummings who controls things?
Very apt for you Brexiteers.

Are you implying that there is person making decisions on behalf of this
country who is unelected and can't be got rid of? Isn't this where we
started?

Of course it is not.

All countries havce civil servants who are unelected and make decisions,
but in Britain thay are answerable to ministers, and those ministers are
answerable to the public via the electoral process.

Not so in the EU.

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.

He just said that he doesnt and I bet he means that.

I wonder why...

On 04/09/2019 20:36, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel
Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.

So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.
Bless.

Well then - have an election.


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that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 04/09/2019 21:12, jeikppkywk wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:10, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article .com,
Â* Keema's Nan wrote:
We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's
quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and
crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into Boris€˜s
trap.

Which desert is your head buried in?

They can control parliamentary proceedings as much as they like,
but it
will not get them out of the trap.

Meaning it is actually Cummings who controls things?
Very apt for you Brexiteers.

Are you implying that there is person making decisions on behalf of
this country who is unelected and can't be got rid of? Isn't this
where we started?

Of course it is not.

All countries havce civil servants who are unelected and make
decisions, but in Britain thay are answerable to ministers, and those
ministers are answerable to the public via the electoral process.

Not so in the EU.

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.

He just said that he doesnt and I bet he means that.
Then why is he introducing a bill to try and have one?


I wonder why...




--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 04/09/2019 21:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 21:12, jeikppkywk wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:10, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article .com,
Â* Keema's Nan wrote:
We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a
Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's
quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and
crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into
Boris€˜s
trap.

Which desert is your head buried in?

They can control parliamentary proceedings as much as they like,
but it
will not get them out of the trap.

Meaning it is actually Cummings who controls things?
Very apt for you Brexiteers.

Are you implying that there is person making decisions on behalf of
this country who is unelected and can't be got rid of? Isn't this
where we started?

Of course it is not.

All countries havce civil servants who are unelected and make
decisions, but in Britain thay are answerable to ministers, and those
ministers are answerable to the public via the electoral process.

Not so in the EU.

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.

He just said that he doesnt and I bet he means that.
Then why is he introducing a bill to try and have one?


It embarrasses Corbyn.

On 04/09/2019 21:21, Brian Reay wrote:
On 04/09/2019 21:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 21:12, jeikppkywk wrote:

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.

He just said that he doesnt and I bet he means that.
Then why is he introducing a bill to try and have one?


It embarrasses Corbyn.



hardly difficult


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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 05:30:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Yeah, **** the referendum

"Referndum"? NONE of yours AT ALL, you senile Ozzie pest!

--
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"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 18:13, charles wrote:
In article ,
michael adams mjadams25@ukonline wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel
Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

and these current MPS might stand as Independents, so splitting the Tory
vote.

Do you REALLY think any of them will even retain their deposit outside the
Party?

Yep, some of them who are very well accepted by their constituency would be.

Thats how Carswell got to be a UKIP MP.

They wouldnt split the tory vote, they would split the lib dem vote.,

True.

Now a one issue 'remain' protest party.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stephen Cole wrote:
Corbyn knows he will be toast in an election and is too cowardly to
risk
agreeing to one.

Labour landslide before Christmas, OM.

I doubt there will be a landslide for any party next time round.

It would be interesting to see if the current parliament goes full
term and whatever brexit happens on 29-Oct is seen to work fine.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Tories do as well as they did
with Cameron once it was seen that he could deliver.

Look forward to coalitions for years to come.

I doubt that.

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 06:02:52 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That¢s very arguable

What is NOT "arguable" for you, you clinically insane "argumentative
asshole"?

We'll see...

We'll see you trolling here like there was no tomorrow, you 85-year-old
trolling senile pest!

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 06:37:42 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Yep, some of them who are very well accepted by their constituency would be.

That¢s how Carswell got to be a UKIP MP.

They wouldnt split the tory vote, they would split the lib dem vote.,

True.

NOBODY talked to you, you trolling senile pest from Oz!

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"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 06:12:04 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Not so in the EU.

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.

He just said that he doesn¢t and I bet he means that.

Hallucinating now, you 85-year-old senile idiot from Oz? LOL

--
Bill Wright to Rot Speed:
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

"jeikppkywk" wrote in message
...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stephen Cole wrote:
Corbyn knows he will be toast in an election and is too cowardly to risk
agreeing to one.

Labour landslide before Christmas, OM.

I doubt there will be a landslide for any party next time round.

It would be interesting to see if the current parliament goes full
term and whatever brexit happens on 29-Oct is seen to work fine.

Says X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416

Can't you even get the BBC News Website in Mooney Ponds ?

Nothing is going to happen on Oct 29th.

Boris will go missing for a couple of days, Joe Stalin style
while the new extension kicks in. And will then turn up again
as if nothing has happened.



michael adams

....

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 06:43:20 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


It would be interesting to see

??? Nobody even talked to you, Ozzietard!

--
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"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 20:36, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel
Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.

So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.
Bless.

Well then - have an election.

Hard to get one when even that fool Corbyn knows he would lose lots of
seats.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 21:12, jeikppkywk wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:10, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article .com,
Keema's Nan wrote:
We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a
Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's
quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and
crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into Boris€˜s
trap.

Which desert is your head buried in?

They can control parliamentary proceedings as much as they like, but
it
will not get them out of the trap.

Meaning it is actually Cummings who controls things?
Very apt for you Brexiteers.

Are you implying that there is person making decisions on behalf of
this country who is unelected and can't be got rid of? Isn't this where
we started?

Of course it is not.

All countries havce civil servants who are unelected and make decisions,
but in Britain thay are answerable to ministers, and those ministers are
answerable to the public via the electoral process.

Not so in the EU.

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.

He just said that he doesnt and I bet he means that.

Then why is he introducing a bill to try and have one?

To try bluff the rest of the fools into not making a no deal brexit illegal.

He knows there is no chance of a 2/3 majority voting for a general election.

I wonder why...

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:14:44 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.
Bless.

Well then - have an election.

Hard to get one when even that fool Corbyn knows he would lose lots of
seats.

Even Corbyn isn't as much of a fool as you and especially no pathological
trolling asshole like you, you abnormal senile pest from Oz!

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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:17:09 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Then why is he introducing a bill to try and have one?

To try bluff the rest of the fools into not making a no deal brexit illegal.

He knows there is no chance of a 2/3 majority voting for a general election.

Hey, are trying to distract from the FACT that you just ignominiously LIED
when you claimed that he "he just said that he doesn¢t [want an election]",
you senile cretin from Oz?

--
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cretin from Oz:
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"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"jeikppkywk" wrote in message
...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stephen Cole wrote:
Corbyn knows he will be toast in an election and is too cowardly to
risk
agreeing to one.

Labour landslide before Christmas, OM.

I doubt there will be a landslide for any party next time round.

It would be interesting to see if the current parliament goes full
term and whatever brexit happens on 29-Oct is seen to work fine.

Nothing is going to happen on Oct 29th.

We'll see if that bill actually gets up.

Boris will go missing for a couple of days, Joe Stalin style
while the new extension kicks in. And will then turn up again
as if nothing has happened.

We'll see...

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:57:12 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


We'll see...

We'll see you trolling on these groups like there was no tomorrow, you
clinically insane 85-year-old trolling senile pest!

--
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cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

Spike wrote:
On 04/09/2019 22:05, Pamela wrote:

Boris is an incompetent clown wherever he appears. Currently he's the
only British prime minister who has lost every vote.

And Corbyn is the only opposition leader to call for a General Election
for two years and then refuse the chance when it was offered.


Hes giving BoJo a few more weeks worth of rope to hang himself with, Burt.
The smartest thing for the opposition parties to do is to get into
November, after Boris has been forced to beg the EU for an extension and no
deal has been averted, and then call no confidence in the government.
Sorted! HTH.

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:56, tim... wrote:


"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 08:59, Spike wrote:

We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long. It's
quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and crushed.

It is a bit weak and watery, isn't it? Oh yes, we want an election,
we're ready, bring it on. Oh, you mean *now*? Well, we didn't mean
that exactly, er, obviously. We're not doing too well in the polls, and
weren't expecting one for quite a time yet, and we're not really ready.
Yes, of course we'll do whatever it takes to rid the country of this
dangerous government as soon as possible. It's absolutely necessary.
We're the next government and can't wait to lead the country as it
should be led.

come on Norman

you know as well as anyone that such brickbats will be forgotten in a
couple of month's time, when they agree to an election (after the leaving
date has been extended, or whatever)

Corbyn reminds me of St Augustine;

"Lord, make me chaste - but not yet'.

here's how the Mail calls it:

"Boris Johnson's bid for snap election is CRUSHED: Jeremy Corbyn chickens
out of letting public go to the polls as Labour MPs abstain to inflict
humiliating defeat on PM"

Not exactly a Corbyn supporting (or Boris bashing) organ

What do you think will be most remembered when we do get to the next
election

Jeremy Chickening Out

or

Boris being Humiliated?

On 5 Sep 2019 08:11:16 GMT, Stephen Cole
wrote:

Spike wrote:
On 04/09/2019 22:05, Pamela wrote:

Boris is an incompetent clown wherever he appears. Currently he's the
only British prime minister who has lost every vote.

And Corbyn is the only opposition leader to call for a General Election
for two years and then refuse the chance when it was offered.


He’s giving BoJo a few more weeks worth of rope to hang himself with, Burt.
The smartest thing for the opposition parties to do is to get into
November, after Boris has been forced to beg the EU for an extension and no
deal has been averted, and then call no confidence in the government.
Sorted! HTH.

Correct. Jezza knows full well that if Johnson can't get a deal from
the EU by Nov 1st that can get through Parliament, (which is highly
unlikely) then the Tory vote will be split by Farage in a later
November election.

Jezza isn't running scared of an election at all. His strategy and
those of the other opposition parties is quite clear.

On 05/09/2019 09:51, Rambo wrote:
On 5 Sep 2019 08:11:16 GMT, Stephen Cole
wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 04/09/2019 22:05, Pamela wrote:

Boris is an incompetent clown wherever he appears. Currently he's the
only British prime minister who has lost every vote.

And Corbyn is the only opposition leader to call for a General Election
for two years and then refuse the chance when it was offered.

Hes giving BoJo a few more weeks worth of rope to hang himself with, Burt.
The smartest thing for the opposition parties to do is to get into
November, after Boris has been forced to beg the EU for an extension and no
deal has been averted, and then call no confidence in the government.
Sorted! HTH.

Correct. Jezza knows full well that if Johnson can't get a deal from
the EU by Nov 1st that can get through Parliament, (which is highly
unlikely) then the Tory vote will be split by Farage in a later
November election.

If he goes openly for no deal as the only viable option, though, he'll
hoover up all the Brexit Party voters, probably with Farage's blessing.
And that's quite possible because no-one can see any deal being reached
that is acceptable to both the EU and the UK Parliament. We've tried
that before. It hasn't worked, and almost certainly won't.

Jezza isn't running scared of an election at all.

If he's not, he should be. He's at just over 20% in the polls compared
with the 40% he actually achieved last time out, and is now sharing any
remain voters with the LibDems and the Greens. It's obvious what that
will mean as regards seats in Parliament.

His strategy and
those of the other opposition parties is quite clear.

Yes, it's prevaricate, delay and cross their fingers hoping for
something to turn up to change their fortunes.

On 05/09/2019 08:51, Rambo wrote:
On 5 Sep 2019 08:11:16 GMT, Stephen Cole wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 04/09/2019 22:05, Pamela wrote:

Boris is an incompetent clown wherever he appears. Currently he's the
only British prime minister who has lost every vote.

And Corbyn is the only opposition leader to call for a General Election
for two years and then refuse the chance when it was offered.

He�s giving BoJo a few more weeks worth of rope to hang himself with, Burt.
The smartest thing for the opposition parties to do is to get into
November, after Boris has been forced to beg the EU for an extension and no
deal has been averted, and then call no confidence in the government.
Sorted! HTH.

Correct. Jezza knows full well that if Johnson can't get a deal from
the EU by Nov 1st that can get through Parliament, (which is highly
unlikely) then the Tory vote will be split by Farage in a later
November election.

Jezza isn't running scared of an election at all. His strategy and
those of the other opposition parties is quite clear.

Interesting, but I did say that 'Corbyn is the only opposition leader to
call for a General Election for two years and then refuse the chance
when it was offered', and no-one has refuted that - although Cole's
imaginary friend ('Burt') now seems to be getting a pasting over the issue.


--
Spike

On 05/09/2019 09:48, tim... wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
On 04/09/2019 12:56, tim... wrote:

Corbyn reminds me of St Augustine;

"Lord, make me chaste - but not yet'.

here's how the Mail calls it:

"Boris Johnson's bid for snap election is CRUSHED: Jeremy Corbyn
chickens out of letting public go to the polls as Labour MPs abstain to
inflict humiliating defeat on PM"

Not exactly a Corbyn supporting (or Boris bashing) organ

What do you think will be most remembered when we do get to the next
election

Jeremy Chickening Out

or

Boris being Humiliated?

Boris being prepared to put it to the people, as is right and proper.

On 05/09/2019 09:48, tim... wrote:
What do you think will be most remembered when we do get to the next
election

Jeremy Chickening Out

or

Boris being Humiliated?


Boris hasnt been humiliated.

Corbyn has chickened out



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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On 5 Sep 2019, Rambo wrote
(in ):

On 5 Sep 2019 08:11:16 GMT, Stephen Cole
wrote:

Spike wrote:
On 04/09/2019 22:05, Pamela wrote:

Boris is an incompetent clown wherever he appears. Currently he's the
only British prime minister who has lost every vote.

And Corbyn is the only opposition leader to call for a General Election
for two years and then refuse the chance when it was offered.

Hes giving BoJo a few more weeks worth of rope to hang himself with,
Burt.
The smartest thing for the opposition parties to do is to get into
November, after Boris has been forced to beg the EU for an extension and no
deal has been averted, and then call no confidence in the government.
Sorted! HTH.

Correct. Jezza knows full well that if Johnson can't get a deal from
the EU by Nov 1st that can get through Parliament, (which is highly
unlikely) then the Tory vote will be split by Farage in a later
November election.

And the Labour vote will be split by the LibDems.



Jezza isn't running scared of an election at all. His strategy and
those of the other opposition parties is quite clear.

He is running scared of an election until well after Nov 1st. He is just
running down the clock.

What were the insults that the Remainers threw at Boris for running down the
Brexit clock?
Please run them by me again....

On 05/09/2019 09:51, Rambo wrote:
On 5 Sep 2019 08:11:16 GMT, Stephen Cole
wrote:

Spike wrote:
On 04/09/2019 22:05, Pamela wrote:

Boris is an incompetent clown wherever he appears. Currently he's the
only British prime minister who has lost every vote.

And Corbyn is the only opposition leader to call for a General Election
for two years and then refuse the chance when it was offered.


Hes giving BoJo a few more weeks worth of rope to hang himself with, Burt.
The smartest thing for the opposition parties to do is to get into
November, after Boris has been forced to beg the EU for an extension and no
deal has been averted, and then call no confidence in the government.
Sorted! HTH.

Correct. Jezza knows full well that if Johnson can't get a deal from
the EU by Nov 1st that can get through Parliament, (which is highly
unlikely) then the Tory vote will be split by Farage in a later
November election.

Jezza isn't running scared of an election at all. His strategy and
those of the other opposition parties is quite clear.

Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear.
Ther leave vote is *already* split by the brexit party along the lines
of 15% TBP 35% tory.

Nigel will do a deal

Remain is split all over the place - SNP, labour, liberal democlots,
Greens and assorted commnunists and fascists.

AND remain is concentrated ion a very few massively remain constiuencies
in major public sector towns.

Leave will wipe the floor with remain in a GE

Which is why only Boris and Farage want one


--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On 04/09/2019 20:04, Keema's Nan wrote:
On 4 Sep 2019, dennis@home wrote
(in article ):

On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.
So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

When people say €œmost of the population€� they usually mean their mummy,
daddy, big sister (who they spy on in their bedroom), and the dog.



Current polls show that there isn't even a majority of brexiteers that
want no deal.

They do show a majority of brexiteers that would support no deal if the
EU was the one causing the problems, which it isn't.

So overall of the people that voted about 70% don't want a no deal
brexit so parliament is acting on the will of the people as it is
supposed to unlike boris who couldn't give a stuff about the people as
long as they vote for him.

On 04/09/2019 20:36, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel
Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.

So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.

The majority would prefer to stay rather than have no deal.

On 04/09/2019 21:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 20:36, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel
Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.

So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.
Bless.

Well then - have an election.



We are not going to give boris the option of delaying the election until
after the 29th!
Live with it.

"Stephen Cole" wrote in message
...
Pamela wrote:
On 10:42 4 Sep 2019, MM wrote:

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 09:13:21 +0100, Keema's Nan
wrote:

On 4 Sep 2019, Spike wrote
(in article ):

On 03/09/2019 19:19, Keema's Nan wrote:
On 3 Sep 2019, Stephen Cole wrote

So, the forthcoming General Election campaign is going to be quite
the spectacle as we see the real Boris Johnson exposed and
crushed. Its going
to be great! Goodbye Brexit! :-D

Goodbye any thin veneer of democracy.

The people voted for Brexit, but the Establishment didnt want that.

At least now the electorate are finding out before they have to vote
(if they
can be bothered) ever again.

We're about to see Cole's Comrade Corbyn not support a Parliamentary
vote for the General Election he's been screaming for for so long.
It's quite the spectacle to see the real Jeremy Corbyn exposed and
crushed.

Yes, Corbyn (and his dimwit supporters) have walked right into Boriss
trap.

On the contrary, they have seen the trap and are navigating around it
by not supporting Johnson's call for a general election. Without a 2/3
majority Johnson cannot have a general election.

They can control parliamentary proceedings as much as they like, but it
will not get them out of the trap.

They are in no trap. They saw the trap way ahead of today's vote and
are avoiding it.

MM

Corbyn's no mug. He's forcing Boris to clean up his own mess.


Corbyns into his fourth decade of Parliament and his fifth or sixth
decade
of campaigning Leftist politics. JC knows how to play the game, certainly
much better than any Eton slob born with a silver spoon in their mouth
might.

Except that it's clear from previous actions that he doesn't.

Others managed to persuade him that this was the right action this time. He
didn't get there on his own. He was staring down the barrel of him possibly
being the only Labour MP who voted for the election.

tim

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

They do show a majority of brexiteers that would support no deal if the EU
was the one causing the problems, which it isn't.

That point of view is debatable. If the EU and the UK can't reach an
agreement on a deal which is acceptable to UK MPs, is the fault a) the EU's,
b) the UK's, c) both the EU's and the UK's. I'd go for option c): *both*
sides need to give ground if they are to reach a compromise, and be prepared
to abandon entrenched positions or restrictive rules of engagement.

I hope we reach an *acceptable* deal by 31 October. Failing that, I just
want to get out of Europe and abandon the EU. I am pig-sick of MPs stalling
and preventing what was decided by the referendum from taking place.

Is the EU willing to lose £39 billion in "divorce settlement" if the UK
leaves without a deal? Is the UK willing to live with the consequences of no
deal? Which side will give in?

Whose silly idea was it to change the rules about governments being able to
call general elections at a time of their choosing? If the Conservatives are
returned with a greater majority, I wonder if that rule will be reversed -
or at least changed to ignore anyone who abstains: the result of the vote
was 298 votes in favour of an election to 56 against, this was less than the
2/3 of the *total* number of MPs. In any election, those who abstain should
be disregarded; not to do so is to implicitly add their numbers to the
losing side.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
On 04/09/2019 20:36, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 04/09/2019 18:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/09/2019 17:44, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

It is strange how at the moment only Boris wants an election.
I wonder why...

The actual answer...

If he calls an election the constituencies of the deselected rebel
Tories
and retirees will be able to put up new loyal candidates. Thus
maintaining
or increasing his majority (so he hopes)

As it is, his position is falling away as a result of withdrawing the
whip from the rebels who are either going to vote against him, or
abstain.

Why should Corbyn want to help him out at this point ?

The penny possibly dropped as he was facing Corbyn across the
dispatch box and was reduced I believe, to calling him a big girl's
blouse.

Anyway, thank you for your question.

So you admit that the popular mandate in the country is with Boris?
And leaving?
Without a deal?
So why not have a 'peoples vote' on it?

Stop making stuff up.
Most of the population want a deal including those that voted leave.

These days, I doubt if most of the population even want to leave at all.

The majority would prefer to stay rather than have no deal.

No deal is called "Cutting off your nose to spite your face"

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 05/09/2019 11:59, NY wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

They do show a majority of brexiteers that would support no deal if
the EU was the one causing the problems, which it isn't.

That point of view is debatable. If the EU and the UK can't reach an
agreement on a deal which is acceptable to UK MPs, is the fault a) the
EU's, b) the UK's, c) both the EU's and the UK's. I'd go for option c):
*both* sides need to give ground if they are to reach a compromise, and
be prepared to abandon entrenched positions or restrictive rules of
engagement.


No they dont.

Because no deal is in fact the optimal outcome for both.
It's a terrible outcome for *Europe*, but Europe is - as it is rapidly
realizing - not something te EU gives a tuppeny **** about.



I hope we reach an *acceptable* deal by 31 October.

We wont.

Failing that, I just
want to get out of Europe and abandon the EU. I am pig-sick of MPs
stalling and preventing what was decided by the referendum from taking
place.

Indeed.

Is the EU willing to lose £39 billion in "divorce settlement" if the UK
leaves without a deal? Is the UK willing to live with the consequences
of no deal? Which side will give in?

The EU will, if te remainer plots dont work, accept no deal and then
demand £39bn before it sits down to talk trade.

I *hope* that Boris says 'come back when you have changed your mind'


Whose silly idea was it to change the rules about governments being able
to call general elections at a time of their choosing?

Civil service wanted to guarantee stability with the clegg/cameron
coalition.

If the
Conservatives are returned with a greater majority, I wonder if that
rule will be reversed - or at least changed to ignore anyone who
abstains: the result of the vote was 298 votes in favour of an election
to 56 against, this was less than the 2/3 of the *total* number of MPs.
In any election, those who abstain should be disregarded; not to do so
is to implicitly add their numbers to the losing side.

Indeed. a clever move by Corbyn.

Defeat it without actually voting against it.

IF we get a proper brexit government woth a mandate LOTS of what has
been going on - particularly Ber****s role - needs to be revisited.



--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
...I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

In article , NY wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

They do show a majority of brexiteers that would support no deal if the
EU was the one causing the problems, which it isn't.

That point of view is debatable. If the EU and the UK can't reach an
agreement on a deal which is acceptable to UK MPs, is the fault a) the
EU's, b) the UK's, c) both the EU's and the UK's. I'd go for option c):
*both* sides need to give ground if they are to reach a compromise, and
be prepared to abandon entrenched positions or restrictive rules of
engagement.

I hope we reach an *acceptable* deal by 31 October. Failing that, I just
want to get out of Europe and abandon the EU. I am pig-sick of MPs
stalling and preventing what was decided by the referendum from taking
place.

Is the EU willing to lose £39 billion in "divorce settlement" if the UK
leaves without a deal? Is the UK willing to live with the consequences of
no deal? Which side will give in?

Whose silly idea was it to change the rules about governments being able
to call general elections at a time of their choosing?

Introduced by the Limp Dems as part of their coalition deal with Cameron

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 05/09/2019 09:48, tim... wrote:
What do you think will be most remembered when we do get to the next
election

Jeremy Chickening Out

or

Boris being Humiliated?


Boris hasnt been humiliated.

Corbyn has chickened out

Sorry you're just too far up your own prejudice

As a leaver, ISTM that Boris has dug himself into a hole that's quite
possibly could end in No Brexit

He didn't need to do it, and I wish he hadn't done it.

He overplayed his hand. He assumed (as Norman did) that Corbyn was
absolutely certain to go for the immediate GE.

He didn't play through the very real possibility that more sensible heads in
the Labour party would hold him back.

tim