https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724

On Tuesday, 16 July 2019 08:43:40 UTC+1, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724

"So, for example, if a user typed in a web address whose domain name had previously been linked to illegal activity - eg dodgysite.com -"

I thought I'd check ...

dodgysite.com is up for sale at $2295.

I wonder if it has been linked to illegal activity and, if not, if the owner now has a claim for defamation against the BBC.

Owain

On 16/07/2019 09:52, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724


What exactly are you asking?


I am asking just through where is your Internet traffic being routed?

On 16/07/2019 12:44, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 16/07/2019 09:52, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724


What exactly are you asking?


I am asking just through where is your Internet traffic being routed?


Well it goes from my router to a DSLAM in my local exchanbge, and then
its muplixed down some opticak fibre into NTS core ATM network and
persent to my IDPs intercae in some dark oiffice, and thnce by a lot
more fibre to wherever it needs to ago changing constantly as links go
up and down.





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On 16/07/2019 13:04, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

On 16/07/2019 09:52, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724

What exactly are you asking?

I am asking just through where is your Internet traffic being routed?

You don't have any control over that. It will depend what arrangements
your ISP has made with others and with other, global, networks. Once
the traffic leaves your ISP's network that's the last it sees of it or
knows of it.

And what more any responses are likely to come back via an entirely
different route.

You hand off at the earliest possible opportunity on to a foreign
network in the sure certainty that they will do exactly the same to you.


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doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.

wrote:

On Tuesday, 16 July 2019 08:43:40 UTC+1, Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724

"So, for example, if a user typed in a web address whose domain name had
previously been linked to illegal activity - eg dodgysite.com -"

I thought I'd check ...

dodgysite.com is up for sale at $2295.

I wonder if it has been linked to illegal activity and, if not, if the
owner now has a claim for defamation against the BBC.

Owain

In the absence of some unexpected double meaning, I doubt a judge will
be easily convinced that suggesting something will live up to its name
is defamation.



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Roger Hayter

On 16/07/2019 08:43, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724


Hmmm, I am not sure they should revel stuff like that.

On 16/07/2019 17:08, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/07/2019 08:43, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724


Hmmm, I am not sure they should revel stuff like that.



The only reason for governmental secrets is to protect
the private interests of those who ride the gravy train
and the existence of such secrets works against the interests
of the people and their democracy.


The term National Security can best be understood with
reference to the following sentence ... I visited a
farmyard recently and the national security came half
way up the wellies.

On 16/07/2019 13:04, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

On 16/07/2019 09:52, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724

What exactly are you asking?

I am asking just through where is your Internet traffic being routed?

You don't have any control over that. It will depend what arrangements
your ISP has made with others and with other, global, networks. Once
the traffic leaves your ISP's network that's the last it sees of it or
knows of it.


I have a good idea but trace route won't tell you.

On Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:57:55 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/07/2019 13:04, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

On 16/07/2019 09:52, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724

What exactly are you asking?

I am asking just through where is your Internet traffic being routed?

You don't have any control over that. It will depend what arrangements
your ISP has made with others and with other, global, networks. Once
the traffic leaves your ISP's network that's the last it sees of it or
knows of it.


I have a good idea but trace route won't tell you.

Running namebench on the Alexa dataset will tell you a lot.

John

That does not compute try using different words or a new way to express the
meaning. Alexa cannot answer you current question, sorry.
Brian

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On 16/07/2019 09:52, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Gareth's was W7 now W10
Downstairs Computer wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724


What exactly are you asking?


I am asking just through where is your Internet traffic being routed?

One of my cow-orkers claims that because he used a proxy / vpn, even his isp cant tell what sites he is visiting.

This seemed a little far fetched, but now I am wondering if it is correct??

On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 11:32:52 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
That does not compute try using different words or a new way to express the
meaning. Alexa cannot answer you current question, sorry.

Alexa probably gets confused when you ask about the other Alexa!
Try using google instead.
Namebench is a tool for analysing DNS servers and Alexa is a list of
the most popular web sites. A common way of using Namebench is to
ask it to test the Alexa list. By comparing the results you obtain
from your service provider with the "correct" answers you will discover
to what extent your internet service is being filtered by DNS
poisoning (or protection, depending on your point of view).

John

On 17/07/2019 12:05, wrote:
One of my cow-orkers claims that because he used a proxy / vpn, even his isp cant tell what sites he is visiting.

This seemed a little far fetched, but now I am wondering if it is correct??

It is essentially correct.

Basically you set up an encrypted channel between you and the VPN server
and that does the conversations itself.

the stage beyond that is onion routing, which is a network of VPN
servers which pass your request around between them until one of them
decides to issue a request on your behalf.

IIRC there are linux distros that have it all set up and ready to use.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_routing

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On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 12:05:11 UTC+1, wrote:
One of my cow-orkers claims that because he used a proxy / vpn, even his isp cant tell what sites he is visiting.

This seemed a little far fetched, but now I am wondering if it is correct??

If he is using an encrypted VPN and it is set up so that DNS lookups
are sent through the VPN as well as the actual browsing, then there
is no way for his service provider to know what he is doing. However,
this just moves the problem elsewhere. How much does he trust the
VPN service provider?
How likely is it that those who like to monitor things perhaps
concentrate their efforts on VPN providers?
He could of course set up a virtual machine in a data centre somewhere
and VPN to that, but it would have to be paid for. Being untraceable
is not that easy.

John

On 17/07/2019 12:16, wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 12:05:11 UTC+1, wrote:
One of my cow-orkers claims that because he used a proxy / vpn, even his isp cant tell what sites he is visiting.

This seemed a little far fetched, but now I am wondering if it is correct??

If he is using an encrypted VPN and it is set up so that DNS lookups
are sent through the VPN as well as the actual browsing, then there
is no way for his service provider to know what he is doing. However,
this just moves the problem elsewhere. How much does he trust the
VPN service provider?
How likely is it that those who like to monitor things perhaps
concentrate their efforts on VPN providers?

That is why onion routing is in play.

Requests are run around a ring of VPNs and with enough traffic the 'my
packet in, to remote server X' relationship is almost impossible to
detect and certainly to legally prove.


The second point is that if you want to deep packet inspect you must do
it on the far side of the VPN where traffic is unencrypted BUT the
tendency now is to use HTTPS everywhere so THAT blows up too.

So to reiterate:

Using a VPN means that YOUR ISP doesn't know who you are connecting to
and what is in each packet.

Using HTTPS means that no one else knows what is in each data packet either.

Using onion routing means that no one can even make a fair guess whom
your packets are destined for. Let alone the contents.



He could of course set up a virtual machine in a data centre somewhere
and VPN to that, but it would have to be paid for.

Its trivial. £120 a year...Less than you pay for an internet connection.

Being untraceable
is not that easy.

Not with emails, no. With web traffic its not that hard if you really
want to do it

https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs...c-unix.html.en



John



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On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 18:23:30 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

He could of course set up a virtual machine in a data centre somewhere
and VPN to that, but it would have to be paid for.

Its trivial. £120 a year...Less than you pay for an internet connection.

The cost is trivial, but the payment process itself makes it more likely
that you can be traced.

Being untraceable
is not that easy.

Not with emails, no. With web traffic its not that hard if you really
want to do it

https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs...c-unix.html.en

Indeed, but there are still pitfalls such as browser fingerprinting
that need to be avoided. There are a few USB bootable linux
distributions that make it easier to get everything right.

John

On 17/07/2019 19:26, wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 18:23:30 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

He could of course set up a virtual machine in a data centre somewhere
and VPN to that, but it would have to be paid for.

Its trivial. £120 a year...Less than you pay for an internet connection.

The cost is trivial, but the payment process itself makes it more likely
that you can be traced.

Hence onion routing

Being untraceable
is not that easy.

Not with emails, no. With web traffic its not that hard if you really
want to do it

https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs...c-unix.html.en

Indeed, but there are still pitfalls such as browser fingerprinting
that need to be avoided. There are a few USB bootable linux
distributions that make it easier to get everything right.

John



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fill the world with fools.€�

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On 17/07/2019 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/07/2019 19:26, wrote:
On Wednesday, 17 July 2019 18:23:30 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

He could of course set up a virtual machine in a data centre somewhere
and VPN to that, but it would have to be paid for.

Its trivial. £120 a year...Less than you pay for an internet connection.

The cost is trivial, but the payment process itself makes it more likely
that you can be traced.

Hence onion routing




Why make yourself look like you are a criminal if you aren't?

Its a bit like downloading films..
its not illegal to do so in the UK if you keep it to yourself..

however if you use a torrent client that uploads to others then you are
leaving yourself open to being done.