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DIY NAS. RPi4B?
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a pi would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Cheers, T i m |
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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:35:17 +0100, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a pi would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Depending on the age of the SATA drives, they can be up to about 10W each. Even my relatively modern microservers take about 25W-30W each, plus disks. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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DIY NAS. RPi4B?
On 10/07/2019 09:37, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:35:17 +0100, T i m wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a pi would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Depending on the age of the SATA drives, they can be up to about 10W each. Even my relatively modern microservers take about 25W-30W each, plus disks. The SATA drives are probably the newest thing in it. Drives do not last more than about 5-7 years. MoBos last a lot longer . But you need the drives whatever is driving them - pi or Intel -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ....than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman |
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DIY NAS. RPi4B?
On 10 Jul 2019 08:37:33 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:35:17 +0100, T i m wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a pi would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Depending on the age of the SATA drives, they can be up to about 10W each. Even my relatively modern microservers take about 25W-30W each, plus disks. Quite. I had to work quite hard to build my server and keep the power consumption down. I did it by carefully choosing an Atom powered ITX board, using 3 x 500GB laptop drives and making it passively cooled (every fan adds quite a bit). It also hibernates as soon as the last user logs off (and any torrent file finishes or the network access drops below a minimum usage or there is no guest access etc) and the hdd's idle when not being used etc. So, whilst not quite as low as say a DS218j, it's much closer than one of TNP's 'old PC's' is likely to be ... and every little helps (lower the background level). ;-) When measuring desktop PC's in general I was horrified just how much power some of them consumed, even when idle! ;-( Daughter was saying last night that she wishes she had all her stuff in one place again (as she used to when she lived here) as she is often on her phone, laptop or desktop. I would love to give her something like a 218j but we can't really afford it atm (funeral / other costs etc). So I could build her a RPi based unit and it probably wouldn't need to be massive, so even 1TB (or whatever the deal / sweet spot was for USB3 portable drives) of storage would probably do, but it really would need to have 1) some sort of RAID(1) and 2) the content of the drives would need to be readable in the event of a system hardware failure (on another box etc). I'm currently testing a new 32GB uSD card and will install Rasbian on it. I would then like to install the latest version of OMV and (try to) configure it for RAID1 (I don't think there are any OMV images for RPi4 yet). Performance doesn't really matter (within reason) and as long as the soft RAID doesn't impact the performance too much, it shouldn't be any worse (and likely to be much better) than my OMV running on a RPI2B. ;-) OR, if RAID isn't advised, even on a RPi4, working out how you could automate the backup of a single shared volume onto an alternative one? Whilst this wouldn't be a production solution, availability would be important as stuff generally goes wrong when time is critical or the data most important. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 10/07/2019 09:37, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:35:17 +0100, T i m wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a pi would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Depending on the age of the SATA drives, they can be up to about 10W each. Even my relatively modern microservers take about 25W-30W each, plus disks. The SATA drives are probably the newest thing in it. Drives do not last more than about 5-7 years. Bull****. None of mine have ever failed and some are much older than that. In continuous use too. MoBos last a lot longer . Yep, only ever had the one fail. But you need the drives whatever is driving them - pi or Intel |
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On 10/07/2019 11:24, Jack98 wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 10/07/2019 09:37, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:35:17 +0100, T i m wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a piÂ* would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Depending on the age of the SATA drives, they can be up to about 10W each. Even my relatively modern microservers take about 25W-30W each, plus disks. The SATA drives are probably the newest thing in it. Drives do not last more than about 5-7 years. Bull****. None of mine have ever failed and some are much older than that. In continuous use too. In my working life I have run an ISP with dozens of servers. I have a close relationship with a PC builder as a result. And a good sttaistical knowledg of disk lives Disks that are thrashed 24x7 will barely make a year warranty. Normal disks last 5-7. Disks that are seldom used can go on for 10 or more. I know what I am talking about. In my server after about 14 years I have replaced 3 disks MoBos last a lot longer . Yep, only ever had the one fail. I have had three fail. At home. Burned out a CPU or two in the business fromn dead fans. Mostly something like ethernet stops working, or onboard video or sound goes. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD) |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:24:31 +1000, Jack98, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: The SATA drives are probably the newest thing in it. Drives do not last more than about 5-7 years. Bull****. None of mine have ever failed and some are much older than that. In continuous use too. Obviously it's not the same for different people, auto-contradicting senile asshole! -- addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates your particular prowess at it every day." MID: |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 10/07/2019 11:24, Jack98 wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 10/07/2019 09:37, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:35:17 +0100, T i m wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:28:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 30/06/2019 21:35, wrote: On Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:05:34 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: +1. BUT I have found an old mini-tower PC that was essentially given to me as scrap will take up to 4 SATA drives of terabyte level size, ... ....a pi would cost more! What about the electricity consumption though? Well its not huge. About 25W I reckon I bet it's higher than that, depending on how 'old' the hardware was (from my practical measurements of such things). Depending on the age of the SATA drives, they can be up to about 10W each. Even my relatively modern microservers take about 25W-30W each, plus disks. The SATA drives are probably the newest thing in it. Drives do not last more than about 5-7 years. Bull****. None of mine have ever failed and some are much older than that. In continuous use too. In my working life I have run an ISP with dozens of servers. I have a close relationship with a PC builder as a result. And a good sttaistical knowledg of disk lives Disks that are thrashed 24x7 will barely make a year warranty. Only if they arent properly cooled. And that magnificent statistical report from that massive great server farm shows nothing even remotely like that claim of yours. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backb...stats-q1-2019/ Normal disks last 5-7. Doesnt show that either. Disks that are seldom used can go on for 10 or more. I know what I am talking about. You clearly dont. In my server after about 14 years I have replaced 3 disks Thats nothing like your original claim. MoBos last a lot longer . Yep, only ever had the one fail. I have had three fail. At home. Then you must be using crap motherboards. Burned out a CPU or two in the business fromn dead fans. Never had a dead cpu fan either, but then I use intel cpus. Mostly something like ethernet stops working, or onboard video or sound goes. You must be using crap motherboards. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 06:03:58 +1000, Jack98, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: In my working life I have run an ISP with dozens of servers. I have a close relationship with a PC builder as a result. And a good sttaistical knowledg of disk lives Disks that are thrashed 24x7 will barely make a year warranty. Only if In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane senile asshole? BG -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
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DIY NAS. RPi4B?
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:45:35 +0100, T i m wrote:
Quite. I had to work quite hard to build my server and keep the power consumption down. I did it by carefully choosing an Atom powered ITX board, using 3 x 500GB laptop drives and making it passively cooled (every fan adds quite a bit). I originally had 1U servers, all fitted with ITX boards. They worked fine, but the fans soon became noisy and they had problems in the height of summer. I ended up replacing them with HP microservers. A bit more power consumption, but better for my hearing. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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