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Plumber's Snake Oil?
Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop
your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
On 07/07/2019 20:25, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? It's something to do with money changing hands, perhaps? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
On 07/07/2019 20:53, GB wrote:
On 07/07/2019 20:25, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote: Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? It's something to do with money changing hands, perhaps? Its amazing how quantum entangled money is. Its movement can affect physical laws. See also renewable energy climate change GM crops.. # I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. -- it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalins Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984. Vaclav Klaus |
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On Sunday, 7 July 2019 20:59:53 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
GM crops.. All crops are genetically modified. If it comes to it, so are we. Owain |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
On 07/07/2019 20:57, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:25:54 +0100, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote: Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. The general scientific opinion is that it's ********. The practical experience of some people is that they seem to work. YPYMAYTYP https://tinyurl.com/y4cq59c5 https://tinyurl.com/y28rl5xq When I moved to this area, a fellow sceptic (geophysics PhD) said that, in fact, magnets seemed to stop his kettle furring (the scale just settled in a loose gritty layer). I tried one and it seemed to work too. Then I moved house (but just across the road) and there it didn't seem to work the same. YMMV. |
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"newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 07/07/2019 20:57, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:25:54 +0100, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote: Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. The general scientific opinion is that it's ********. The practical experience of some people is that they seem to work. YPYMAYTYP https://tinyurl.com/y4cq59c5 https://tinyurl.com/y28rl5xq When I moved to this area, a fellow sceptic (geophysics PhD) said that, in fact, magnets seemed to stop his kettle furring (the scale just settled in a loose gritty layer). I tried one and it seemed to work too. Then I moved house (but just across the road) and there it didn't seem to work the same. Thats because the Alzhiemers got you to forget to turn it on in the new place |-( YMMV. |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 07:06:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH troll's troll**** -- "Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed: "You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad little ignorant ****." MID: |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
Well they cause significant RFI as well. All I can tell you is that a
friend had one for some years, what happened was the pipe where it was mounted ended up clogged up with limescale. From what I can tell they attempt to use either magnetism or electrostatic charge to make the lime scale clump together into larger blobs. It obviously cannot remove it since there is no mechanism to do so, and so its still there. You can judge for yourself what is going to happen. its probably either going to not work at all, do what my friends did and clog the pipe locally or distribute itself around your plumbing. I see problems in the future either way. I'd not touch one with a ten foot pole. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer" wrote in message ... Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. |
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Yes certainly, I think in a house with high water pressure it will have
little effect, the lower the pressure the more it will simply clog up pipes until something goes wrong. Then the scale will just return but your pipes aware probably scaled up. It also depends on the makeup of the actual calcium or bits of old concrete and plastic in the water, and since there is no way to get the clumped stuff out its just going to go to the nears place it can lodge all clumped together. I personally feel that water treatment plants are the place where water should be made limescale free if you believe that is more healthy. Bah humbug. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "GB" wrote in message ... On 07/07/2019 20:25, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote: Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? It's something to do with money changing hands, perhaps? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
Subject drift alert.
This I thought was his very large footer so I ignored it. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! wrote in message ... On Sunday, 7 July 2019 20:59:53 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote: GM crops.. All crops are genetically modified. If it comes to it, so are we. Owain |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
Yes see the replies I gave earlier. It may appear to work but the where has
it gone is very significant I think. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "newshound" wrote in message o.uk... On 07/07/2019 20:57, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:25:54 +0100, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote: Someone has just asked me about the device sold to stop your water pipes and tanks furring up, which consists of a coil wound around the pipe that is then excited by an oscillator. Personally, I think the whole thing to be bollox. Does anybody know the physics behind it? I cannot see how orienting the calcium saly ions in one particular direction will stop furring up some distance away especially if there has been turbulent flow in between. I advised him to get a water softener fitted instead. The general scientific opinion is that it's ********. The practical experience of some people is that they seem to work. YPYMAYTYP https://tinyurl.com/y4cq59c5 https://tinyurl.com/y28rl5xq When I moved to this area, a fellow sceptic (geophysics PhD) said that, in fact, magnets seemed to stop his kettle furring (the scale just settled in a loose gritty layer). I tried one and it seemed to work too. Then I moved house (but just across the road) and there it didn't seem to work the same. YMMV. |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
On 08/07/2019 07:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
It obviously cannot remove it since there is no mechanism to do so, Apart from, say, your CH heating system all the water will come out of the tap or down the bowl when you flush the loo. If the limescale remains in solution rather than sticking to the pipes then there is always a method of removing 100% of it. Applying snake oil in the form of a weak magnetic field may not achieve this. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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Plumber's Snake Oil?
They prevent scale deposition very effectively in soft water areas.
Anyone remember the protracted debates about magnetic water conditioners? I believe,ADAM/IMM was a great fan of them. |
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