Did anybody else hear Archive on 4 on BBC Radio 4 this evening?
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00066xk if you want to listen on-line)

Entitled The Age of Emulsion it looked from the heyday of DIY to the era
of GALMI and was presented by Laurence Llewelen-Bowen. Please don't be
put off by the last bit: he was really quite acceptable. And it looked
at the lack of DIY skills amongst the modern generation and how that
came about.

Nick

On an American internet station they used to have a series called The Blind
Handyman, which basically told people to do stuff if you cannot see. I bet
nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

Brian

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Did anybody else hear Archive on 4 on BBC Radio 4 this evening?
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00066xk if you want to listen on-line)

Entitled The Age of Emulsion it looked from the heyday of DIY to the era
of GALMI and was presented by Laurence Llewelen-Bowen. Please don't be put
off by the last bit: he was really quite acceptable. And it looked at the
lack of DIY skills amongst the modern generation and how that came about.

Nick

on 23/06/2019, Brian Gaff supposed :
I bet nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

I was recently watching something where they mentioned how H/S has
changed and been tightened up over the years. I served my time in those
bad old days, where no one much bothered about H/S, you just got with
it. I do think H/S has gone to far these days, inventing risks which
simply do not exist.

On 23/06/2019 12:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 23/06/2019, Brian Gaff supposed :
I bet nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

I was recently watching something where they mentioned how H/S has
changed and been tightened up over the years. I served my time in those
bad old days, where no one much bothered about H/S, you just got with
it. I do think H/S has gone to far these days, inventing risks which
simply do not exist.

Modern H&S makes you assess the risk and consider means of reducing it
if appropriate. In a normal working environment it makes good sense for
people who aren't bright enough to see danger.

The consequence of death and injury can outdo the cost of an assessment
many times over.

The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where
children couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

On 23/06/2019 12:41, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/06/2019 12:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 23/06/2019, Brian Gaff supposed :
I bet nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

I was recently watching something where they mentioned how H/S has
changed and been tightened up over the years. I served my time in
those bad old days, where no one much bothered about H/S, you just got
with it. I do think H/S has gone to far these days, inventing risks
which simply do not exist.

Modern H&S makes you assess the risk and consider means of reducing it
if appropriate. In a normal working environment it makes good sense for
people who aren't bright enough to see danger.

The consequence of death and injury can outdo the cost of an assessment
many times over.

The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where
children couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

That's the trouble, when it goes too far.

One that I have seen a lot lately is roadworks, with a lane closure,
where the lane is extended way past the roadworks, right up to a
junction, to allow occasional work vehicles to rejoin the road without
having to merge with traffic - with the consequence that for a year or
more at a time, there are huge tailbacks every day, as the junction's
capacity has been halved. In one cases, the tailbacks run so far back
that they run back to the motorway and are causing standing traffic on
the motorway!

SteveW

Fredxx explained on 23/06/2019 :
The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where children
couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

Exactly. Then there are the sites where they have to wear goggles,
yellow jackets and hats all the time, when there is zero risk from
anything.

Steve Walker wrote on 23/06/2019 :
In one cases, the tailbacks run so far back that they run back to the
motorway and are causing standing traffic on the motorway!

Which dramatically increases the risks on the roads, for those trying
to use them. So many accidents happen where there is unexpected
standing traffic.

On 23/06/2019 12:58, Steve Walker wrote:
On 23/06/2019 12:41, Fredxx wrote:
On 23/06/2019 12:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 23/06/2019, Brian Gaff supposed :
I bet nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

I was recently watching something where they mentioned how H/S has
changed and been tightened up over the years. I served my time in
those bad old days, where no one much bothered about H/S, you just
got with it. I do think H/S has gone to far these days, inventing
risks which simply do not exist.

Modern H&S makes you assess the risk and consider means of reducing it
if appropriate. In a normal working environment it makes good sense
for people who aren't bright enough to see danger.

The consequence of death and injury can outdo the cost of an
assessment many times over.

The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where
children couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

That's the trouble, when it goes too far.

One that I have seen a lot lately is roadworks, with a lane closure,
where the lane is extended way past the roadworks, right up to a
junction, to allow occasional work vehicles to rejoin the road without
having to merge with traffic - with the consequence that for a year or
more at a time, there are huge tailbacks every day, as the junction's
capacity has been halved. In one cases, the tailbacks run so far back
that they run back to the motorway and are causing standing traffic on
the motorway!

I would say the risk assessment was carried out by an incompetent. I see
it all too often.

In message , Nick Odell
writes
Did anybody else hear Archive on 4 on BBC Radio 4 this evening?
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00066xk if you want to listen on-line)

Just spent a pleasant hour listening to that. Thank you.
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Graeme

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:34:56 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

on 23/06/2019, Brian Gaff supposed :
I bet nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

I was recently watching something where they mentioned how H/S has
changed and been tightened up over the years. I served my time in those
bad old days, where no one much bothered about H/S, you just got with
it. I do think H/S has gone to far these days, inventing risks which
simply do not exist.

I saw Brian Cox venturing into some ice cave on TV last night. He was
wearing all the latest safety get-up. The point of the protective helmet
foxed me for a minute but then I thought maybe there was a risk of a drop
of melted ice hitting him on the head.



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On 23/06/2019 13:06, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Fredxx explained on 23/06/2019 :
The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where
children couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

Exactly. Then there are the sites where they have to wear goggles,
yellow jackets and hats all the time, when there is zero risk from
anything.

My favourite was an "open plan" lab with metallurgical microscopes round
the corner from the fume cupboards (yes I know that is not a good idea).
But you were *supposed* to wear eye protection when using the
microscopes :-)

On 23/06/2019 15:44, Graeme wrote:
In message , Nick Odell
writes
Did anybody else hear Archive on 4 on BBC Radio 4 this evening?
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00066xk if you want to listen on-line)

Just spent a pleasant hour listening to that.Â* Thank you.

Downloaded on phone for bed-time listening. I do love iPlayer.

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 23/06/2019, Brian Gaff supposed :
I bet nobody would run such a show here, H/S etc!

I was recently watching something where they mentioned how H/S has
changed and been tightened up over the years. I served my time in those
bad old days, where no one much bothered about H/S, you just got with
it. I do think H/S has gone to far these days, inventing risks which
simply do not exist.

Absolutely no need for H&S. Too many people anyway. Bringing back asbestos
and all the various substances now controlled would reduce the population
nicely. And even more to the point, shorten the lives of those working
with it, rather than the bosses. A win win situation.

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*Forget the Joneses, I keep us up with the Simpsons.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where children
couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

Exactly. Then there are the sites where they have to wear goggles,
yellow jackets and hats all the time, when there is zero risk from
anything.

You've done a risk assessment to back up your claims. then? ;-)

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*When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/06/2019 15:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where children
couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

Exactly. Then there are the sites where they have to wear goggles,
yellow jackets and hats all the time, when there is zero risk from
anything.

You've done a risk assessment to back up your claims. then? ;-)

I certainly remember visiting a sewage works, where an electrician was
connecting a control panel that I had designed, on a settling tank
scraper bridge. They insisted he wear a hard hat, despite it getting in
his way working in the panel and the panel being the highest point on
the site! There was absolutely no way that anything could drop on him
and he wasn't walking about where he might bang his head on something.
Just a case of no common-sense being used and sticking to a rigid rule
where there was a) no possible danger from not doing so and b) it was
interfering with his work.

Similarly, on an industrial site, they insisted on safety harnesses for
"working at height", despite the scaffold having their feet only 3 feet
from the ground as they only needed to gland-off the cables on the top
of the panel. There was no way that the harnesses could arrest a fall in
that distance, unless they were so taught already that they couldn't
move to work!

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
On 24/06/2019 15:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The stupidities come with areas such as a school outing. I recall a LA
stopped a school charity walk because there places on the walk where children
couldn't be seen from a vantage point.

Exactly. Then there are the sites where they have to wear goggles,
yellow jackets and hats all the time, when there is zero risk from
anything.

You've done a risk assessment to back up your claims. then? ;-)

I certainly remember visiting a sewage works, where an electrician was
connecting a control panel that I had designed, on a settling tank
scraper bridge. They insisted he wear a hard hat, despite it getting in
his way working in the panel and the panel being the highest point on
the site! There was absolutely no way that anything could drop on him
and he wasn't walking about where he might bang his head on something.
Just a case of no common-sense being used and sticking to a rigid rule
where there was a) no possible danger from not doing so and b) it was
interfering with his work.

Similarly, on an industrial site, they insisted on safety harnesses for
"working at height", despite the scaffold having their feet only 3 feet
from the ground as they only needed to gland-off the cables on the top
of the panel. There was no way that the harnesses could arrest a fall in
that distance, unless they were so taught already that they couldn't
move to work!

SteveW

and there was the refurbished theatre in Newcastle where the council's H&S
person wanted a safety rail between the stage & the orchestra pit. I
production I was stage managing had the council's H&S lady want Romeo to
wear a climbing harness when coming out of Juliet's room.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Brian Gaff wrote:
On an American internet station they used to have a series called The Blind
Handyman, which basically told people to do stuff if you cannot see.

Back at school, one of our technology projects was called (rather
uncomfortably) Spirit Level For The Blind. An audible spirit level
that buzzed differently at different angles, and was silent when
level.

jgh

On 24/06/2019 15:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


You've done a risk assessment to back up your claims. then? ;-)


I once picked up a hire car at 5am that had been delivered to my work
place and the keys left at the security gate. The security guards had
been told not to release the keys to any hire car until a risk
assessment form had been filled in. I duly filled in the form ticking
all the boxes for a very high risk (long working day with 400 miles of
driving etc.) and handed the form back. The security guard filed the
form without looking at it and immediately handed over the keys. There
was no comeback and I'll bet no-one ever read the filled in form.

I also once had to fill in a risk assessment for journey that involved a
taxi picking me up at home, driving me to the airport, catching a UK
internal flight and a taxi the other end taking me to a hotel!

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On 25/06/2019 06:13, alan_m wrote:
I'll bet no-one ever read the filled in form.

Oh, sometime sonewhere there is aqlways some borde jobsworth doing that.

Like the time I took a PC acroos Erurope, hetting a cernet stamped at
every bodredert.

I ended up in copenhagen hacing driven hu germany..but left from
*Ejsberg* via te ferry back to the UK

Months later I got a letter in Danish presumably complaining that I had
bought a computer in to Denmark, but it had not left.

I sent a photocopy of the exit stamp and heard no more



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Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

wrote:

An audible spirit level that buzzed differently at different angles,
and was silent when level.

*don't* make the noise?

On 25/06/2019 10:00, Andy Burns wrote:

wrote:

An audible spirit level that buzzed differently at different angles,
and was silent when level.

*don't* make the noise?