why do the English not use sarking ? ....

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(

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On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:08:29 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

why do the English not use sarking ? ....

The English use sarking 'felt' unlike the Scots who, certainly on older
properties, use(d) sarking boards.



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why do the English not use sarking ? ....

On 22/06/2019 07:08, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....

Because they use iron-ing.

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Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

why do the English not use sarking ? ....

My house has sarking boards.

Generally to help support the weight of snow. More likely in the north
than south.

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On 22/06/2019 07:42, Brian Reay wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under boarding.


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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.

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On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:

Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(


Surely double sided tape will dry out and fail within a short time,
especially in a roof environment?

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On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(


I think building control have tied their hands on that matter.

On 22/06/2019 14:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.


If you missed it, todays car restoration job on Quest was
a nice Rover P5 coupe, given a recon power steering pump
(apparently the owners handbook said don't hold on full
lock for more then 30 seconds or it will overheat the fluid).

For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds
made up to replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like
a waste of £1600.

On 22/06/2019 07:08, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....



because we use more modern barriers than sarking felt.

I have a big roll of it somewhere that the builders left in the loft.

On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(


Building regs require roof vents so they will fit them.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2019 14:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.


If you missed it, todays car restoration job on Quest was
a nice Rover P5 coupe, given a recon power steering pump
(apparently the owners handbook said don't hold on full
lock for more then 30 seconds or it will overheat the fluid).

For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds
made up to replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like
a waste of £1600.


cast iron exhaust? mild steel more likely

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On 22/06/2019 15:43, charles wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2019 14:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.


If you missed it, todays car restoration job on Quest was
a nice Rover P5 coupe, given a recon power steering pump
(apparently the owners handbook said don't hold on full
lock for more then 30 seconds or it will overheat the fluid).

For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds
made up to replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like
a waste of £1600.


cast iron exhaust? mild steel more likely


No, I'm sure the one that does the dirty work (Edd) said
it was cast-iron. And it looked like a casting too. Very
awkward shape.

On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary.

Modern rooves will have soffit vents and ridge venmts

So there is no need for permeawble sarking

But of course a porous membrane DOES ventilate

Sarking is ther to reduce wind speed and stop tiles being sucked off




Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(



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On 22/06/2019 15:43, charles wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2019 14:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.


If you missed it, todays car restoration job on Quest was
a nice Rover P5 coupe, given a recon power steering pump
(apparently the owners handbook said don't hold on full
lock for more then 30 seconds or it will overheat the fluid).

For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds
made up to replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like
a waste of £1600.


cast iron exhaust? mild steel more likely

Not manifolds


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In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 22/06/2019 15:43, charles wrote:
In article , Andrew
wrote:
On 22/06/2019 14:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , John
Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly
do. All the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under
boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.


If you missed it, todays car restoration job on Quest was a nice Rover
P5 coupe, given a recon power steering pump (apparently the owners
handbook said don't hold on full lock for more then 30 seconds or it
will overheat the fluid).

For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds made up to
replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like a waste of £1600.


cast iron exhaust? mild steel more likely

Not manifolds

Ah - I misread.


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writes
On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.
Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(


Building regs require roof vents so they will fit them.

None fitted here. Building control were stressy about maintaining a 50mm
gap between the insulation and the membrane but ignored the lack of
soffit vents.


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On 22/06/2019 20:43, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do.
All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.
Â*Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape
for laps:-(


Building regs require roof vents so they will fit them.

None fitted here. Building control were stressy about maintaining a 50mm
gap between the insulation and the membrane but ignored the lack of
soffit vents.

Not even ridge vents?





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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 22/06/2019 20:43, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly
do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.
*Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that
roof ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to
use the grade required for your area wind prediction and double
sided tape for laps:-(


Building regs require roof vents so they will fit them.
None fitted here. Building control were stressy about maintaining a
50mm gap between the insulation and the membrane but ignored the lack
of soffit vents.

Not even ridge vents?

No. Mind, these are Marley rolled concrete tiles so hardly an airtight
fit. They did fit plastic eyelashes to discourage birds and insects at
the eaves.

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In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2019 14:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Although the jocks quite often say sarking when they mean under
boarding.

Because it's been around rather longer than roofing felt.


If you missed it, todays car restoration job on Quest was
a nice Rover P5 coupe, given a recon power steering pump
(apparently the owners handbook said don't hold on full
lock for more then 30 seconds or it will overheat the fluid).

For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds
made up to replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like
a waste of £1600.

The standard cast iron are of a very poor design, unlike the SD1 which are
pretty good. But on a P5, I'd be worried about increased noise.

I've a feeling many of these sort of progs get paid to feature a
particular product or service.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
charles wrote:
For some reason they had stainless steel exhaust manifolds
made up to replace the oem cast-iron ones, which seems like
a waste of £1600.


cast iron exhaust? mild steel more likely

In those days - and later - most cars had cast iron exhaust manifolds. Far
cheaper to make than mild steel, which would have to be fabricated.

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On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:00:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Sarking is ther to reduce wind speed and stop tiles being sucked off

Thought it was more as a secondary waterproof layer for when a
tile/slate slips/breaks or the wind is in the "wrong" direction and
blows water up and under the tiles/slates.

Also keeps the atmospheric fall out out of the loft.

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On 23/06/2019 01:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:00:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Sarking is ther to reduce wind speed and stop tiles being sucked off

Thought it was more as a secondary waterproof layer for when a
tile/slate slips/breaks or the wind is in the "wrong" direction and
blows water up and under the tiles/slates.

Also keeps the atmospheric fall out out of the loft.

Sarking has no single meaning beyond being something under the tiles or
slates.

Mostly in the UK its there to stop tiles blowing off.

It can do other stuff as well, though.




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On 22/06/2019 21:48, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 22/06/2019 20:43, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes
On 22/06/2019 09:31, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay
writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly
do.Â* All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.
Â*Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that
roofÂ* ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to
use theÂ* grade required for your area wind prediction and double
sided tapeÂ* for laps:-(


Building regs require roof vents so they will fit them.
Â*None fitted here. Building control were stressy about maintaining a
50mmÂ* gap between the insulation and the membrane but ignored the
lack ofÂ* soffit vents.

Not even ridge vents?

No. Mind, these are Marley rolled concrete tiles so hardly an airtight
fit. They did fit plastic eyelashes to discourage birds and insects at
the eaves.



So is this a 'warm' roof with the insulation up at the tile level?
And they didnt insist on venting it?

Ther is a certain login in that internal moisture simply won't get past
all that foil and tape, compared to e.g. rockwool.
So the need for massive vents to prevent rafter rot is not there






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On 23/06/2019 01:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:00:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Sarking is ther to reduce wind speed and stop tiles being sucked off
Thought it was more as a secondary waterproof layer for when a
tile/slate slips/breaks or the wind is in the "wrong" direction and
blows water up and under the tiles/slates.
Also keeps the atmospheric fall out out of the loft.

Sarking has no single meaning beyond being something under the tiles or
slates.

Mostly in the UK its there to stop tiles blowing off.

It can do other stuff as well, though.

Dry blowing snow for example.
We once had 2" of snow in an unfelted (Edwardian built) loft.


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On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:53:42 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:

Dry blowing snow for example.
We once had 2" of snow in an unfelted (Edwardian built) loft.

Argh, I'd forgotten about dry powder snow! ******* stuff follows the
air flow and is capable of doing so through door jams, ie around 2 x
90 degree bends. We've had the roofs stripped, breathable membrane
laid and reslated powder snow is no longer a problem in the lofts,
even with the "Beast from the East". Same can't be said for a couple
of the older doors and windows though.

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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(


A house is being renovated/ modified down the road from us. The work has
being going on some time, weve been away since end of May and it had been
going on for some weeks then, they are about to tile the roof by the looks
of things now. It has new looking sarking felt.

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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Brian Reay writes
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
why do the English not use sarking ? ....




They do.

Some older houses may not have it but more modern ones certainly do. All
the houses we own/have owned have sarking felt.

Huh! Now try and get your builder to use it!
They have latched on to porous membrane in the firm belief that roof
ventilation is no longer necessary. Also try and get them to use the
grade required for your area wind prediction and double sided tape for
laps:-(


A house is being renovated/ modified down the road from us. The work has
being going on some time, we've been away since end of May and it had been
going on for some weeks then, they are about to tile the roof by the looks
of things now. It has new looking sarking felt.

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and its
requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the near of
Scotland .....

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:39:24 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and
its requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the
near of Scotland .....

I don't think it's anything to do with cost; just that the further north
and west you go, the wilder the weather.



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On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:39:24 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and
its requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the
near of Scotland .....

I don't think it's anything to do with cost; just that the further north
and west you go, the wilder the weather.



very true but Scottish builders are now following English practice ........

In message , Cursitor Doom
writes
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:39:24 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and
its requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the
near of Scotland .....

I don't think it's anything to do with cost; just that the further north
and west you go, the wilder the weather.

Victorian barn and farmhouse here, mid Herts. have timber sarking.
Relatively small slate (9"x18") roof may be linked.
Interesting boards: about 9" wide and barely 5/8" thick. Unwarped so
must have been carefully cut.

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On 24/06/2019 09:27, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Cursitor Doom
writes
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:39:24 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and
its requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the
near of Scotland .....

I don't think it's anything to do with cost; just that the further north
and west you go, the wilder the weather.

Victorian barn and farmhouse here, mid Herts. have timber sarking.
Relatively small slate (9"x18") roof may be linked.

Low(ish) pitch?


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In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
got to build properly in the near of
Scotland .....

Very true. Sarking is more important than ties in a cavity brick wall. ;-)

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writes
On 24/06/2019 09:27, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Cursitor Doom
writes
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:39:24 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and
its requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the
near of Scotland .....

I don't think it's anything to do with cost; just that the further north
and west you go, the wilder the weather.
Victorian barn and farmhouse here, mid Herts. have timber sarking.
Relatively small slate (9"x18") roof may be linked.

Low(ish) pitch?
Not really. 40 deg. maybe.

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On 24/06/2019 09:27, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Cursitor Doom
writes
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:39:24 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

not talking about sarking felt but old fashioned close boarding timber
sarking etc......I think you English are just too tight to use it ,,,and
its requirement for counter battons .....got to build properly in the
near of Scotland .....

I don't think it's anything to do with cost; just that the further north
and west you go, the wilder the weather.

Victorian barn and farmhouse here, mid Herts. have timber sarking.
Relatively small slate (9"x18") roof may be linked.
Interesting boards: about 9" wide and barely 5/8" thick. Unwarped so
must have been carefully cut.

Its not unheard of round here either. My business partner's place has
timber sarking boards, and that is a fairly conventional 1930s semi in
Southend.


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