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Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again. Any thoughts? -- Graeme |
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Graeme wrote:
Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface cranked hinge? |
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Am 20.05.2019 um 11:08 schrieb Graeme:
Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again. Any thoughts? cranked hinges? |
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On Mon, 20 May 2019 10:08:51 +0100, Graeme
wrote: Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again. Any thoughts? Try https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/ |
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On 20/05/2019 10:08, Graeme wrote:
Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense.Â* Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again.Â* Any thoughts? Old hardware catalogues used to have something called iirc bar-top hinges, for the kind of thing Del-boy fell through. The pivot ½" proud though? that would be wierd. TW |
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In message , Andy Burns
writes Graeme wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface cranked hinge? That was my first thought, but unless I'm missing the obvious, a cranked hinge is only cranked on one side. I've looked through a million web pages and online catalogues. I know I've seen what I want, which makes it even more frustrating. The alternative is to mount ordinary hinges on blocks of wood, to lift them above the flap surface. I have done that before, and it worked, but is a bit ugly. -- Graeme |
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On 20/05/2019 11:19, Graeme wrote:
In message , Andy Burns writes Graeme wrote: Â*For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above theÂ* flap surface cranked hinge? That was my first thought, but unless I'm missing the obvious, a cranked hinge is only cranked on one side. I've looked through a million web pages and online catalogues.Â* I know I've seen what I want, which makes it even more frustrating.Â* The alternative is to mount ordinary hinges on blocks of wood, to lift them above the flap surface.Â* I have done that before, and it worked, but is a bit ugly. When you hang a door with a 'proud pivot' hinge to allow the doors to fold all the way back clearing architraves the arcane name for the hardware is Parliament Hinge. obv they are set into the edges not into the flat surface. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Pa...w=1229&bih=901 TW |
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On 20/05/2019 10:08, Graeme wrote:
Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense.Â* Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again.Â* Any thoughts? Offset hinge? https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3mcg5wf https://www.google.co.uk/search?neww...30.Xnx9Q3jIQaw |
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On 20/05/2019 10:39, TimW wrote:
On 20/05/2019 10:08, Graeme wrote: Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense.Â* Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again.Â* Any thoughts? Old hardware catalogues used to have something called iirc bar-top hinges, for the kind of thing Del-boy fell through. The pivot ½" proud though? that would be wierd. +1 searching for "counter flap hinges" seems to give a fair few. (But I ran away the only time I was asked to fit them: tapered rebates beyond me.) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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In message , Richard
writes Offset hinge? https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3mcg5wf Almost! That included a double offset hinge. A strap double offset hinge would be perfect. https://www.boatid.com/whitecap/fold...16-w-304-stain less-steel-mpn-s-3444.html -- Graeme |
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In message , TimW
writes When you hang a door with a 'proud pivot' hinge to allow the doors to fold all the way back clearing architraves the arcane name for the hardware is Parliament Hinge. Yes. Almost perfect - a Parliament hinge, but with the ends with the screw holes bent 90 degrees. -- Graeme |
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On 20/05/2019 12:28, Graeme wrote:
In message , TimW writes When you hang a door with a 'proud pivot' hinge to allow the doors to fold all the way back clearing architraves the arcane name for the hardware is Parliament Hinge. Yes.Â* Almost perfect - a Parliament hinge, but with the ends with the screw holes bent 90 degrees. Are we talking about an H-Hinge? TW |
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In message , Andy Burns writes Graeme wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface cranked hinge? That was my first thought, but unless I'm missing the obvious, a cranked hinge is only cranked on one side. I've looked through a million web pages and online catalogues. I know I've seen what I want, which makes it even more frustrating. The alternative is to mount ordinary hinges on blocks of wood, to lift them above the flap surface. I have done that before, and it worked, but is a bit ugly. Do you mean 'parliament hinges'? -- Chris Green · |
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In message , TimW
writes Are we talking about an H-Hinge? I had to Google that! Thanks, but no. -- Graeme |
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In message , Chris Green
writes Do you mean 'parliament hinges'? Parliament hinges would be fine, IF the 'screw' end were bent out at 90 degrees. This is a flap, 8 inches wide, 24 long, allowing walk in access to a toy train layout. An ordinary flat hinge would be fine BUT the flap will have track over it, butt jointed at each end of the flap. At the hinge end, the pivot needs to be half an inch above 'base' level otherwise the flap will not rise without the ends of track mashing each other. I think the simple solution will be ordinary strap hinges mounted on blocks of wood, sufficient to provide clearance. -- Graeme |
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Offset hinge?
The problem I see is that there are any number of bespoke hinges on already existing devices but if you look for a replacement they are never standard as you buy them, you really need to find out where the original came from but on old gear that is probably not possible any more. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Andy Burns" wrote in message ... Graeme wrote: Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface cranked hinge? |
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On 20/05/2019 13:51, Graeme wrote:
In message , TimW writes Are we talking about an H-Hinge? I had to Google that!Â* Thanks, but no. How about a double ended strap hinge, a vice and a hammer? SteveW |
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:09:09 UTC+1, Graeme wrote:
Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again. Any thoughts? -- Graeme It's called a "Bar flap hinge" https://www.google.com/search?q=bar+...hrome&ie=UTF-8 |
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harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:09:09 UTC+1, Graeme wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. It's called a "Bar flap hinge" Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. -- Graeme |
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In message , Steve Walker
writes How about a double ended strap hinge, a vice and a hammer? That has crossed my mind, but have reservations concerning my ability to get all four bends (two per hinge) in exactly the right place. That, though, would work perfectly. -- Graeme |
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On 20/05/2019 18:52, Graeme wrote:
In message , harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:09:09 UTC+1, GraemeÂ* wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. It's called a "Bar flap hinge" Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wise-Seat...2/163632712774 But you need to find a cheaper source. Of course the obvious thing to do is hinge it at the bottom and let it go down rather than up. |
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On 20/05/2019 20:43, dennis@home wrote:
On 20/05/2019 18:52, Graeme wrote: In message , harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:09:09 UTC+1, GraemeÂ* wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. It's called a "Bar flap hinge" Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wise-Seat...2/163632712774 But you need to find a cheaper source. Of course the obvious thing to do is hinge it at the bottom and let it go down rather than up. https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/...ed-pair-526817 fitted to the sides would probably work. |
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On 20/05/2019 10:08, Graeme wrote:
Looking for a particular type of hinge, but frustrated because I don't know the proper name. For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense.Â* Hinge fixing surface is horizontal, then bends 90 degrees to vertical, to the pivot, then back down 90 degrees to horizontal again.Â* Any thoughts? parliament hinge? -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wise-Seat...3-X-11-8WD12/1 63632712774 But you need to find a cheaper source. Indeed :-) Of course the obvious thing to do is hinge it at the bottom and let it go down rather than up. Not so obvious. There is a larger flap, lifting upwards, below the new flap. See discussion here a couple of years ago. Plan is, the new smaller flap (6 inches wide, two feet long) will flap up, hinged on the left, allowing the existing flap (2 feet square) to lift, hinged on the right. -- Graeme |
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/...nge-240mm-brig ht-zinc-plated-pair-526817 fitted to the sides would probably work. Agreed. The only reason I haven't used that style is there is more 'meat' in the wood from above than from the side. -- Graeme |
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On 20/05/2019 13:57, Graeme wrote:
In message , Chris Green writes Do you mean 'parliament hinges'? Parliament hinges would be fine, IF the 'screw' end were bent out at 90 degrees. This is a flap, 8 inches wide, 24 long, allowing walk in access to a toy train layout.Â* An ordinary flat hinge would be fine BUT the flap will have track over it, butt jointed at each end of the flap.Â* At the hinge end, the pivot needs to be half an inch above 'base' level otherwise the flap will not rise without the ends of track mashing each other. I will have the same thing once I get round to the harbour section on my layout, but I'll have to make it lift-out, hinge-down or have very tall hinges and scenery to cover them, as the track (N6.5/Nn3 narrow gauge) will be raised a couple of inches higher than the board, as it crosses the N-gauge line before reaching the hinged section and will require a correspondingly high pivot point. SteveW |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message ... On 20/05/2019 18:52, Graeme wrote: In message , harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:09:09 UTC+1, Graeme wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. It's called a "Bar flap hinge" Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wise-Seat...2/163632712774 But you need to find a cheaper source. Of course the obvious thing to do is hinge it at the bottom and let it go down rather than up. Hopeless with the train stuff where it will get in the road when going thru. Makes a lot more sense to use the proper hinges and have it lift up. |
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On Wed, 22 May 2019 05:29:06 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Hopeless with the train stuff where it will get in the road when going thru. Makes a lot more sense to use the proper hinges and have it lift up. Oh, no! And this thread has been Rodent-free so far! tsk -- "Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed: "You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad little ignorant ****." MID: |
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 19:03:06 UTC+1, Graeme wrote:
In message , harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 10:09:09 UTC+1, Graeme wrote: For a lifting flap, but the pivot needs to be half inch or so above the flap surface, if that makes sense. It's called a "Bar flap hinge" Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. -- Graeme There are two hing points per hinge. Distance apart varies. |
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harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 19:03:06 UTC+1, Graeme wrote: Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. There are two hing points per hinge. Distance apart varies. Harry, I am not sure what you mean. I can certainly make bar flap hinges work, by attaching blocks of wood to the flap and adjoining counter, then mounting the hinges on the blocks, raising the pivot points a minimum of half an inch. That is what I will probably do. What I can't do is mount the hinges directly on the flap and counter. -- Graeme |
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On 22/05/2019 09:59, Graeme wrote:
In message , harry writes On Monday, 20 May 2019 19:03:06 UTC+1, GraemeÂ* wrote: Standard bar flap hinge (Del Boy) will not work as the pivot is too close to the flap surface. There are two hing points per hinge. Distance apart varies. Harry, I am not sure what you mean.Â* I can certainly make bar flap hinges work, by attaching blocks of wood to the flap and adjoining counter, then mounting the hinges on the blocks, raising the pivot points a minimum of half an inch.Â* That is what I will probably do. What I can't do is mount the hinges directly on the flap and counter. If you are going to do that you may as well use kitchen cabinet hinges. You can hide them under a building. |
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