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Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts:
Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. |
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.. What am I missing?
Thanks. Nothing - it is usual |
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Adam Funk Wrote in message:
Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 2019-05-16, Jim K.. wrote:
Adam Funk Wrote in message: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? I tried it with and without PTFE tape on the threads. Both ways, the tap went in farther than I expected, ending up pointing down and left rather than just down. |
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On 2019-05-16, DerbyBorn wrote:
. What am I missing? Thanks. Nothing - it is usual So experimenting with different combinations of fibre washers until the result is pointing the right way is really how you have to do this? |
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Adam Funk wrote:
Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Your expectations of accurate threading of both parts is way too high. ;-) I think this is probably a case for old fashioned hemp and some sort of plumbers sealing compound. Fiddle with both until youve got it right. PTFE tape will work if you use enough but its really too slippery and can squidge out as you tighten things up. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 16/05/2019 18:09, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2019-05-16, Jim K.. wrote: Adam Funk Wrote in message: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? I tried it with and without PTFE tape on the threads. Both ways, the tap went in farther than I expected, ending up pointing down and left rather than just down. I believe Jim meant make your own washer with ptfe, not wrap it around the threads. -- Adam |
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On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote:
Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Wrap some hemp and plumbers mate around the threads, then you'll find that the thread tightens earlier and you can set it in any position without leaks. |
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ARW wrote:
On 16/05/2019 18:09, Adam Funk wrote: On 2019-05-16, Jim K.. wrote: Adam Funk Wrote in message: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-uni...ble-check-valv e/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? I tried it with and without PTFE tape on the threads. Both ways, the tap went in farther than I expected, ending up pointing down and left rather than just down. I believe Jim meant make your own washer with ptfe, not wrap it around the threads. Or you can wind the PTFE tap on the threads progressively thicker near the back of the fitting until the threads jam at the point you want them to. -- Roger Hayter |
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ARW Wrote in message:
On 16/05/2019 18:09, Adam Funk wrote: On 2019-05-16, Jim K.. wrote: Adam Funk Wrote in message: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? I tried it with and without PTFE tape on the threads. Both ways, the tap went in farther than I expected, ending up pointing down and left rather than just down. I believe Jim meant make your own washer with ptfe, not wrap it around the threads. Near enough yes, wind on threads but multiple winds near to tap end of thread, makes a custom PTFE washer in effect.. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 16/05/2019 19:30, Roger Hayter wrote:
.. Or you can wind the PTFE tap on the threads progressively thicker near the back of the fitting until the threads jam at the point you want them to. That's the theory. PTFE of course is like a woman. Smooth to the touch and easily wrapped around your fingers. But it will not actually do what you want it to do. -- Adam |
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On 16/05/2019 18:09, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2019-05-16, DerbyBorn wrote: . What am I missing? Thanks. Nothing - it is usual So experimenting with different combinations of fibre washers until the result is pointing the right way is really how you have to do this? Loctite 55 Pipe Sealing Cord a modern PTFE alternative to old style hemp and plumbers mait. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On 16/05/2019 17:51, Jim K.. wrote:
Adam Funk Wrote in message: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? I find that hemp is better for this sort of thing. |
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ARW wrote:
On 16/05/2019 19:30, Roger Hayter wrote: . Or you can wind the PTFE tap on the threads progressively thicker near the back of the fitting until the threads jam at the point you want them to. That's the theory. PTFE of course is like a woman. Smooth to the touch and easily wrapped around your fingers. But it will not actually do what you want it to do. IME it works alright on brass. But Fernox LS-X will probably work on 1/2" BSP if you let it set before pressurising it. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 16 May 2019 17:30:06 GMT, Tim+ wrote:
Adam Funk wrote: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Your expectations of accurate threading of both parts is way too high. ;-) I think this is probably a case for old fashioned hemp and some sort of plumber¢s sealing compound. Fiddle with both until you¢ve got it right. PTFE tape will work if you use enough but it¢s really too slippery and can squidge out as you tighten things up. Tim Had this with a pair of Bristan 1901 bib taps and upstands. One was perfect; the other was 150 deg. out. I had nothing that would correct the bad one, so I swapped them over and found that nylon washers just did the job and made them both the same. Needed a bit more tape in on of them but it's not a noticeable difference. I was lucky to have the washers - in an Aldidl kit, IIRC. Given the total price of the fittings, they should be correct to start with. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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PeterC wrote:
On 16 May 2019 17:30:06 GMT, Tim+ wrote: Adam Funk wrote: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-uni...le-check-valve /p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Your expectations of accurate threading of both parts is way too high. ;-) I think this is probably a case for old fashioned hemp and some sort of plumber's sealing compound. Fiddle with both until you've got it right. PTFE tape will work if you use enough but it's really too slippery and can squidge out as you tighten things up. Tim Had this with a pair of Bristan 1901 bib taps and upstands. One was perfect; the other was 150 deg. out. I had nothing that would correct the bad one, so I swapped them over and found that nylon washers just did the job and made them both the same. Needed a bit more tape in on of them but it's not a noticeable difference. I was lucky to have the washers - in an Aldidl kit, IIRC. Given the total price of the fittings, they should be correct to start with. It is technically impractical with ordinary manufacturing to make the two brass parts and a (variable) standard washer do up to a precise predicted angle. And it is not what is expected by plumbers. Not least because the supply pipe can come from any quadrant (or any intervening angle if one is untidy enough). -- Roger Hayter |
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On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote:
Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. It always happens. Last time, I used a wall plate with a soldered connection going straight out of the back, through the wall. It not only minimised the amount of pipework exposed to outdoor temperatures, it also allowed me to position the fixing screws after finding out how the tap screwed onto to the plate. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 2019-05-17, PeterC wrote:
On 16 May 2019 17:30:06 GMT, Tim+ wrote: Adam Funk wrote: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Your expectations of accurate threading of both parts is way too high. ;-) I think this is probably a case for old fashioned hemp and some sort of plumbers sealing compound. Fiddle with both until youve got it right. PTFE tape will work if you use enough but its really too slippery and can squidge out as you tighten things up. Tim Had this with a pair of Bristan 1901 bib taps and upstands. One was perfect; the other was 150 deg. out. I had nothing that would correct the bad one, so I swapped them over and found that nylon washers just did the job and made them both the same. Needed a bit more tape in on of them but it's not a noticeable difference. I was lucky to have the washers - in an Aldidl kit, IIRC. Thanks (to everyone else too) for the tips. I'll keep fiddling with washers, hemp, and so on but... Given the total price of the fittings, they should be correct to start with. ....there ought to be a better way. |
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On 2019-05-16, DJC wrote:
On 16/05/2019 18:09, Adam Funk wrote: On 2019-05-16, DerbyBorn wrote: . What am I missing? Thanks. Nothing - it is usual So experimenting with different combinations of fibre washers until the result is pointing the right way is really how you have to do this? Loctite 55 Pipe Sealing Cord a modern PTFE alternative to old style hemp and plumbers mait. Looks interesting, thanks. |
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On 2019-05-16, Roger Hayter wrote:
ARW wrote: On 16/05/2019 19:30, Roger Hayter wrote: . Or you can wind the PTFE tap on the threads progressively thicker near the back of the fitting until the threads jam at the point you want them to. That's the theory. PTFE of course is like a woman. Smooth to the touch and easily wrapped around your fingers. But it will not actually do what you want it to do. IME it works alright on brass. But Fernox LS-X will probably work on 1/2" BSP if you let it set before pressurising it. Also interesting, thanks. |
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On 2019-05-16, Roger Hayter wrote:
ARW wrote: On 16/05/2019 19:30, Roger Hayter wrote: . Or you can wind the PTFE tap on the threads progressively thicker near the back of the fitting until the threads jam at the point you want them to. That's the theory. PTFE of course is like a woman. Smooth to the touch and easily wrapped around your fingers. But it will not actually do what you want it to do. IME it works alright on brass. But Fernox LS-X will probably work on 1/2" BSP if you let it set before pressurising it. From googling around, I get the impression I can just smear that on the threads, turn the tap all the way in, then back it off until it's pointing just the way it want? If so, that would be perfect. |
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On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote:
Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it& end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. If it worked in the past, it was pure coincidence. You can have the supply pipe coming in at any angle, so to have something which only worked at one angle would be silly. The threads are tapered, and thus seal on the threads rather than bottoming against a flange - so fibre washers are no good. You just need sufficient packing round the thread to make it go tight at the desired orientation. As others have said, hemp plus Boss White or whatever is far better than PTFE tape for this. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 17/05/2019 12:50, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2019-05-16, Roger Hayter wrote: ARW wrote: On 16/05/2019 19:30, Roger Hayter wrote: . Or you can wind the PTFE tap on the threads progressively thicker near the back of the fitting until the threads jam at the point you want them to. That's the theory. PTFE of course is like a woman. Smooth to the touch and easily wrapped around your fingers. But it will not actually do what you want it to do. IME it works alright on brass. But Fernox LS-X will probably work on 1/2" BSP if you let it set before pressurising it. From googling around, I get the impression I can just smear that on the threads, turn the tap all the way in, then back it off until it's pointing just the way it want? If so, that would be perfect. Bib taps usually have parallel threads the should be sealed with a washer between the shoulders and not by the threads. You just need a washer of the right thickness to compress enough when the tap is in the right place. Rubber washers are probably the easiest but I use fibre washers as that's what I have. |
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On 17/05/2019 13:55, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it&Â* end up pointing down.Â* (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down.Â* I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction.Â* What am I missing? Thanks. If it worked in the past, it was pure coincidence. You can have the supply pipe coming in at any angle, so to have something which only worked at one angle would be silly. The threads are tapered, and thus seal on the threads rather than bottoming against a flange - so fibre washers are no good. You just need sufficient packing round the thread to make it go tight at the desired orientation. As others have said, hemp plus Boss White or whatever is far better than PTFE tape for this. All the bib taps I have used have parallel threads. |
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On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote:
In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? IME, if they line up perfectly its just luck. Its easier to assume they won't, and make sure you include enough sealing / locking material to do the job. These days that tends to be PTFE tape or cord. (hemp etc is banned on potable water supplies). With tape you need to use *lots* (15 to 20 turns) of it winding on a few turns at the end of the threads and then building up thickness toward the back where the flange on the tap is. You can introduce a twist or fold in the tape as you apply it to make it narrower, and build depth more rapidly. You can then screw it into the socket until the rotation feels stiff enough to fix it in place. Then finally rotate however much additional turn is required to get the required orientation. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Fri, 17 May 2019 09:07:52 +0100, Roger Hayter wrote:
Had this with a pair of Bristan 1901 bib taps and upstands. One was perfect; the other was 150 deg. out. I had nothing that would correct the bad one, so I swapped them over and found that nylon washers just did the job and made them both the same. Needed a bit more tape in on of them but it's not a noticeable difference. I was lucky to have the washers - in an Aldidl kit, IIRC. Given the total price of the fittings, they should be correct to start with. It is technically impractical with ordinary manufacturing to make the two brass parts and a (variable) standard washer do up to a precise predicted angle. And it is not what is expected by plumbers. Not least because the supply pipe can come from any quadrant (or any intervening angle if one is untidy enough). Agreed, in most cases, but _upstands_ tend to be from below. Making the taps to fit upstands would at least get rid of one aspect and be no worse for the others. The worst case would be if the threads were intended to match but the tap wouldn't quite tighten to upright - need some ingenuity to solve that one! -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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Orientation of bib taps?
On 17/05/2019 19:30, ARW wrote:
On 16/05/2019 21:20, wrote: On 16/05/2019 17:51, Jim K.. wrote: Adam Funk Wrote in message: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it & end up pointing down.Â* (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down.Â* I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction.Â* What am I missing? Thanks. Ptfe tape? I find that hemp is better for this sort of thing. I'll bet the OP does not have any. Cotton, unwound sisal, or wool with a bit of mastic would probably all work - certainly better than trying to use washers and shims on the flange/shoulder. |
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dennis@home wrote:
On 17/05/2019 13:55, Roger Mills wrote: On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-uni...le-check-valve /p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it& end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. If it worked in the past, it was pure coincidence. You can have the supply pipe coming in at any angle, so to have something which only worked at one angle would be silly. The threads are tapered, and thus seal on the threads rather than bottoming against a flange - so fibre washers are no good. You just need sufficient packing round the thread to make it go tight at the desired orientation. As others have said, hemp plus Boss White or whatever is far better than PTFE tape for this. All the bib taps I have used have parallel threads. Me too. But 1/2' is small enough to be able to seal parallel threads pretty well, and, in the absence of a suitable washer, a wodge of PTFE tape squeezed out at the end plus enough on the threads to make it stff has always worked for me. If it leaks at first try it will be a slow leak, and you can re do it until it gets tight at the right point and doesn't leak. Most things can go wrong in my hands, but I've usually found it quite easy, reassured by the fact tha a slight leak is not usually a disaster for most bib tap applications. Sealing the threads with PTFE or one of the other suggestions at least ensures that anly leak will be very small, and makes accidentally unscrewing it less likely. -- Roger Hayter |
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Your expectations of accurate threading of both parts is way too high. ;-) I wouldn't have like to be given that task as a toolmaker! |
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On 2019-05-17, Roger Mills wrote:
On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote: Just to be clear, I'm talking about combining these two parts: Compression Wallplate Elbow 15mm x 1/2" https://www.toolstation.com/compression-wallplate-elbow/p74070 Hose Union Bib Tap with Double Check Valve 1/2" DZR https://www.toolstation.com/hose-union-bib-tap-with-double-check-valve/p54792 I was under the impression that if you install the elbow so that supply pipe is coming straight down to it, the tap should screw all the way into it& end up pointing down. (I'm pretty sure that's what I did with the old ones, which were removed as part of a kitchen renovation, so I've installed new ones in a different place outside.) In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? Thanks. If it worked in the past, it was pure coincidence. You can have the Well, it's been 15--20 years since I installed the ones I'm replacing, & I'm just about convinced that I remembered the installation wrong! I ended up buying new wallplates as well as taps because one of the taps would not come out of the plate in a non-destructive manner. supply pipe coming in at any angle, so to have something which only worked at one angle would be silly. The threads are tapered, and thus seal on the threads rather than bottoming against a flange - so fibre washers are no good. You just need sufficient packing round the thread to make it go tight at the desired orientation. As others have said, hemp plus Boss White or whatever is far better than PTFE tape for this. |
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On 2019-05-17, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/05/2019 17:24, Adam Funk wrote: In practice, however, I installed two of these the same way but they ended up pointing in slightly different directions, neither straight down. I ended up packing a couple of fibre washers in each elbow until I got the right direction. What am I missing? IME, if they line up perfectly its just luck. Its easier to assume they won't, and make sure you include enough sealing / locking material to do the job. These days that tends to be PTFE tape or cord. (hemp etc is banned on potable water supplies). On further reflection, I might have used hemp on the old ones. I did find (& throw away) some mouldy plumbing hemp in the cellar during a clean-out a few years ago. With tape you need to use *lots* (15 to 20 turns) of it winding on a few turns at the end of the threads and then building up thickness toward the back where the flange on the tap is. You can introduce a twist or fold in the tape as you apply it to make it narrower, and build depth more rapidly. You can then screw it into the socket until the rotation feels stiff enough to fix it in place. Then finally rotate however much additional turn is required to get the required orientation. Thanks. |
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