On Friday, 3 May 2019 21:58:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 03/05/2019 07:50, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:49:55 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 01/05/2019 07:24, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 21:19:55 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 30/04/2019 19:12, harry wrote:
Drivel.
The wind blows all the time. It just moves about. Maters are improving as the East West grid is built up.

Tell me Harry, why don't we use sailing ships any more?

Andy

The same reason.
Because the wind moves about ****-fer brains.
I obviously am dense, if rather better mannered than you.

If the wind blows all the time why don't we use sailing ships?

(BTW I race small boats. Every decent Wednesday in the summer. Yesterday
I went to the pub instead)

Andy

Yes, you ARE dense. And your comprehension is poor. There was probably excellent sailing off the coast of Norway at that time. Or even Ireland

Surprised your knowledge of how our weather is driven is so limited.

Let's suppose there was decent wind off the coast of Norway at the time.

How would that help a ship in the Channel?

Or a windfarm there for that matter...

Because, **** fer brains, the wind turbines are linked on an electricity grid covering the entire area.

On 03/05/2019 13:03, TOJ wrote:
On Fri, 03 May 2019 08:35:07 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

As it is to be left for the heat produced to fall, it cannot be put into
a permanent repository for 50 years, so there isn't exactly a rush to
get one built!

Is there no way that heat could be safely used to provide something like
district heating or to power a Stirling engined electricity generator?

Of copurse but why norher?
far far more hest in the cooling water of an operational reactior

Or indeed the outflow from any thermal power station.


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On 03/05/2019 21:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
As you don't seem to get the hint I'll tell you - the reason why they
"shed their sails like autumn leaves at the turning of the wheel" is
that a steam ship can run to a schedule, which no sailing ship can manage.

The reasons for the demise of sails are three fold.
(1) as you say, jourmey times become predictable
(2) Journey times are vastly reduced. A clipper ship may have been
capable of 25 knots,but the average speed was nearer to 5... a tramp
steamer doing 7 was better.
(2) Manning. A clipper ship took a crew of about 40 to run the sailsl
whereas an an engineer wnd two stokers was enough for a steam engine.

The aboilty bot to end up on lee shores was alos good.

Rememvber as with jet aircraft less maintenance cost and faster journey
timnes means far far higher miles per invested pound.

Better return on investment.

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On 04/05/2019 10:01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
harry wrote:

On Friday, 3 May 2019 21:58:58 UTC+1, Vir CampestrisÂ* wrote:
On 03/05/2019 07:50, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:49:55 UTC+1, Vir CampestrisÂ* wrote:
On 01/05/2019 07:24, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 21:19:55 UTC+1, Vir CampestrisÂ* wrote:
On 30/04/2019 19:12, harry wrote:
Drivel.
The wind blows all the time. It just moves about. Maters are
improving
as the East West grid is built up.

Tell me Harry, why don't we use sailing ships any more?

Andy

The same reason.
Because the wind moves about ****-fer brains.
I obviously am dense, if rather better mannered than you.

If the wind blows all the time why don't we use sailing ships?

(BTW I race small boats. Every decent Wednesday in the summer.
Yesterday
I went to the pub instead)

Andy
Yes, you ARE dense. And your comprehension is poor. There was
probably
excellent sailing off the coast of Norway at that time. Or even
Ireland
Surprised your knowledge of how our weather is driven is so limited.
Let's suppose there was decent wind off the coast of Norway at the
time.

How would that help a ship in the Channel?

Or a windfarm there for that matter...

Because, **** fer brains, the wind turbines are linked on an
electricity grid covering the entire area.

Ah, so you propose the Soviet model then - build enough so that any
drawbacks are disguised.

Poor old harry. third rate one dimensional qualitative mind.

Never heard of Kirchoff...

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On Friday, 3 May 2019 21:58:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 03/05/2019 07:50, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:49:55 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 01/05/2019 07:24, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 21:19:55 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 30/04/2019 19:12, harry wrote:
Drivel.
The wind blows all the time. It just moves about. Maters are improving as the East West grid is built up.

Tell me Harry, why don't we use sailing ships any more?

Andy

The same reason.
Because the wind moves about ****-fer brains.
I obviously am dense, if rather better mannered than you.

If the wind blows all the time why don't we use sailing ships?

(BTW I race small boats. Every decent Wednesday in the summer. Yesterday
I went to the pub instead)

Andy

Yes, you ARE dense. And your comprehension is poor. There was probably excellent sailing off the coast of Norway at that time. Or even Ireland

Surprised your knowledge of how our weather is driven is so limited.

Let's suppose there was decent wind off the coast of Norway at the time.

How would that help a ship in the Channel?

Or a windfarm there for that matter...

And IAC someone posted upthread a map of light winds over the whole of
Western Europe.

As you don't seem to get the hint I'll tell you - the reason why they
"shed their sails like autumn leaves at the turning of the wheel" is
that a steam ship can run to a schedule, which no sailing ship can manage.

Andy

The project is not about "helping wind farms."
It's about generating electricity wherever the wind is blowing and transporting it to where needed.

The main problem is the low utilisation factor.

On Friday, 3 May 2019 13:03:22 UTC+1, TOJ wrote:
On Fri, 03 May 2019 08:35:07 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

As it is to be left for the heat produced to fall, it cannot be put into
a permanent repository for 50 years, so there isn't exactly a rush to
get one built!

Is there no way that heat could be safely used to provide something like
district heating or to power a Stirling engined electricity generator?

--
TOJ.

It has been done in the past
The economics don't work out for waste heat systems.The heat is not needed in Summer and means has be additionally provided to "dump" it.

With non-waste heat systems nobody has solved the problem of losses in the distribution pipework.
Small gas boilers dotted about the place.were always cheaper and more efficient.

There's the possibility district heating might come back when gas boilers are banned a few years from now.

On Sat, 04 May 2019 08:56:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of course but why bother?

Because it's free (waste) heat?

--
TOJ.

On Saturday, 4 May 2019 13:19:11 UTC+1, TOJ wrote:
On Sat, 04 May 2019 08:56:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of course but why bother?

Because it's free (waste) heat?

--
TOJ.

Not needed in Summer Therfore alternative means of disposal are needed.

On 04/05/2019 13:19, TOJ wrote:
On Sat, 04 May 2019 08:56:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of course but why bother?

Because it's free (waste) heat?

It isnt free.

Anymore than solar power or wind power are free or any freer than coal
oil gas or uranium

All of these things are 'free' until you actually want them at a given
location doing something useful.

Then you start to count the cost.


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On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane. straight into the
transcontinental grid


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On Sat, 04 May 2019 17:25:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It isnt free.

So it's just waste then. Perhaps if we ignore it it will go away

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TOJ.

"TOJ" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 May 2019 08:35:07 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

As it is to be left for the heat produced to fall, it cannot be put into
a permanent repository for 50 years, so there isn't exactly a rush to
get one built!

Is there no way that heat could be safely used to provide something like
district heating or to power a Stirling engined electricity generator?

Yes it can, but its better to just refuel the nuke.

On Sun, 5 May 2019 14:57:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

"TOJ" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 May 2019 08:35:07 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

As it is to be left for the heat produced to fall, it cannot be put into
a permanent repository for 50 years, so there isn't exactly a rush to
get one built!

Is there no way that heat could be safely used to provide something like
district heating or to power a Stirling engined electricity generator?

Yes it can, but its better to just refuel the nuke.

His question was already answered by several posters, you obnoxious senile
pest! Just what in hell makes you believe any answers only become valid when
YOU confirm them, you self-important, self-opinionated asshole from Oz?

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"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it."
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"harry" wrote in message
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On Friday, 3 May 2019 21:58:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 03/05/2019 07:50, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:49:55 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 01/05/2019 07:24, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 21:19:55 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 30/04/2019 19:12, harry wrote:
Drivel.
The wind blows all the time. It just moves about. Maters are
improving as the East West grid is built up.

Tell me Harry, why don't we use sailing ships any more?

Andy

The same reason.
Because the wind moves about ****-fer brains.
I obviously am dense, if rather better mannered than you.

If the wind blows all the time why don't we use sailing ships?

(BTW I race small boats. Every decent Wednesday in the summer.
Yesterday
I went to the pub instead)

Andy

Yes, you ARE dense. And your comprehension is poor. There was probably
excellent sailing off the coast of Norway at that time. Or even Ireland

Surprised your knowledge of how our weather is driven is so limited.

Let's suppose there was decent wind off the coast of Norway at the time.

How would that help a ship in the Channel?

Or a windfarm there for that matter...

And IAC someone posted upthread a map of light winds over the whole of
Western Europe.

As you don't seem to get the hint I'll tell you - the reason why they
"shed their sails like autumn leaves at the turning of the wheel" is
that a steam ship can run to a schedule, which no sailing ship can
manage.

Andy

The project is not about "helping wind farms."
It's about generating electricity wherever the wind is blowing and
transporting it to where needed.

The main problem is the low utilisation factor.

The main problem is how comprehensively they pollute the visual environment.

"TOJ" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 May 2019 08:56:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of course but why bother?

Because it's free (waste) heat?

But has the massive downside of being
nuisance unwanted heat in summer.

Makes much more sense to use the waste
heat from the nuke itself in winter and
keep dumping it the way it is now in summer.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.

straight into the
transcontinental grid

On Mon, 6 May 2019 04:52:47 +1000, 2987pl, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:



Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.

Pathological auto-contradicting asshole! tsk

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On Mon, 6 May 2019 04:21:39 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

The project is not about "helping wind farms."
It's about generating electricity wherever the wind is blowing and
transporting it to where needed.

The main problem is the low utilisation factor.

The main problem is how comprehensively they pollute the visual environment.

The main problem here is that you are an auto-contradicting,
self-opinionated and self-important asshole, senile Rodent!

--
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"Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?"
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On Mon, 6 May 2019 04:36:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Because it's free (waste) heat?

But has the massive downside of being
nuisance unwanted heat in summer.

Makes much more sense to use the waste
heat from the nuke itself in winter and
keep dumping it the way it is now in summer.

LOL Auto-contradicting senile asshole!

--
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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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On Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:26:57 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane. straight into the
transcontinental grid

Full of ****e as usual.
All electricity grids automatically isolate any fault.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:26:57 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane. straight into the
transcontinental grid

Full of ****e as usual.

We'll see...

All electricity grids automatically isolate any fault.

But not all of them have redundant links over wide areas as we discovered.

In article ,
harry wrote:
On Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:26:57 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane. straight into the
transcontinental grid

Full of ****e as usual.
All electricity grids automatically isolate any fault.

and, as a result, blacked out New York for a number of hours a few years
ago.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

2987pl wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.


The mistake is to underestimate the technical ability behind the
international terror groups.
The main on the ground fighters may well be recruited from goat herders but
somewhere they will have a team
capable of assembling an unmanned aerial vehicle and launching it .
Even a substantial drone purchased in a hobby store could drop something
chemical into somewhere like
the super bowl final and achieve something drastic.

GH

On Mon, 6 May 2019 16:53:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Full of ****e as usual.

We'll see...

We'll see you trolling here like there was no tomorrow, you abnormal
85-year-old senile pest!

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Message-ID:

"Marland" wrote in message
...
2987pl wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.

The mistake is to underestimate the technical
ability behind the international terror groups.

We'll see...

The main on the ground fighters may
well be recruited from goat herders

No one herds goats anymore.

but somewhere they will have a team capable of assembling
an unmanned aerial vehicle and launching it .

Nothing even remotely like a modern heavy aircraft they wont.

Even a substantial drone purchased in a hobby store
could drop something chemical into somewhere like
the super bowl final and achieve something drastic.

Fat lot of effect that would have on a power grid, stupid.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message
...
2987pl wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.

The mistake is to underestimate the technical
ability behind the international terror groups.

We'll see...

The main on the ground fighters may
well be recruited from goat herders

No one herds goats anymore.

I saw goats being herded in Morocco last week.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
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On Mon, 6 May 2019 19:27:02 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the clinically insane auto-contradicting senile asshole's latest
auto-contradicting session

....and much better air in here!

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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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On 06/05/2019 10:59, charles wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message
...
2987pl wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.

The mistake is to underestimate the technical
ability behind the international terror groups.

We'll see...

The main on the ground fighters may
well be recruited from goat herders

No one herds goats anymore.

I saw goats being herded in Morocco last week.


....and I'd wager there are people using drones to herd their goats.



--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message
...
2987pl wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/05/2019 14:04, Chris Hogg wrote:
All you need is a cat's cradle of massive cables crisscrossing the
globe, carrying zettawatts of power, installed at vast expense and
drain on resources, for the occasions when they're actually needed
(assuming, that is, that the people at the supply end have and can
spare the surplus power), when all you need is a limited number of
reliable sources of power at home that run 24/7.

Great placve top crash teh next 911 plane.

There wont be any more 911 planes, no one will
actually be stupid enough to let any hijackers into the
cockpit anymore, they will be kicked to death instead.

The mistake is to underestimate the technical
ability behind the international terror groups.

We'll see...

The main on the ground fighters may
well be recruited from goat herders

No one herds goats anymore.

I saw goats being herded in Morocco last week.

But they don’t recruit terrorists from the microscopic
number of remaining goat herders.

On Tue, 7 May 2019 04:01:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


No one herds goats anymore.

I saw goats being herded in Morocco last week.

But they don¢t recruit terrorists from the microscopic
number of remaining goat herders.

His post was an answer to your BLATANT LIE that "no one herds goats
anymore", you pathological LIAR!

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"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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On 06/05/2019 11:33, Robin wrote:
...and I'd wager there are people using drones to herd their goats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8mXL2JapWM

(OK, it's sheep. And it doesn't get going until about 1:20)

Andy

"Vir Campestris" wrote in message
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On 06/05/2019 11:33, Robin wrote:
...and I'd wager there are people using drones to herd their goats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8mXL2JapWM

(OK, it's sheep. And it doesn't get going until about 1:20)

Thats not herding, thats just moving them around.

On Tue, 7 May 2019 12:42:39 +1000, 2987pl, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


...and I'd wager there are people using drones to herd their goats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8mXL2JapWM

(OK, it's sheep. And it doesn't get going until about 1:20)

That¢s not herding, that¢s just moving them around.

Good Lord! What an abnormal auto-contradicting senile ASSHOLE! tsk

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