Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

The hunchback did it.

--
Adam

Andy Burns wrote :
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Scaffolding looks near collapse..

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

With apprentices like mine they do not need a blowtorch to set fire to
things.....

It's still ongoing with the solicitors etc so I cannot name names but
the claim is that the fire alarm he fitted set fire to the WMC.



--
Adam

On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Scaffolding looks near collapse..

Yep.

--
Adam

ARW wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Scaffolding looks near collapse..

Yep.

insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight

On 15/04/2019 19:59, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Scaffolding looks near collapse..

Yep.

insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight

Bloke in the pub has just said that Nigel Farage is on his way with a
toasting fork and two slices of white Warburtons sliced bread.

--
Adam

After serious thinking Andy Burns wrote :
insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight

If you mean one of the two towers, I think was just smoke rising up
through the tower. I thought they might got more appliances there and
maybe water bombed it with a 'chopper.

ARW wrote on 15/04/2019 :
On 15/04/2019 19:59, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Scaffolding looks near collapse..

Yep.

insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight

Bloke in the pub has just said that Nigel Farage is on his way with a
toasting fork and two slices of white Warburtons sliced bread.

:-)

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

If you mean one of the two towers, I think was just smoke rising up
through the tower.

No, at one time there was flame showing through a large section of one
of the tall openings, they've got a hose on it, they don't seem to have
shown that camera angle lately, one hell of a clang if it drops the
bells ...

Harry Bloomfield wrote :
If you mean one of the two towers, I think was just smoke rising up through
the tower. I thought they might got more appliances there and maybe water
bombed it with a 'chopper.

Sparks now, from between the twin towers..

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

**** isn't it.

They commented on the Beeb earlier that when the Nazis were thrown out
the local Kommandant was ordered to destroy it.

He didn't obey the order.

Now some twit with a Gaulois takes it out. Or something else equally stupid.

Andy

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

A tragedy.

Whenever we visit Paris (it is normally part of or annual Tour de
France), we make a point of having a picnic by the Seine overlooking
Notre Dame.

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on 15/04/2019, Andy Burns supposed :
No, at one time there was flame showing through a large section of one of the
tall openings, they've got a hose on it, they don't seem to have shown that
camera angle lately, one hell of a clang if it drops the bells ...

It looks as if they have it under control now and they are walking
round the balconies of the two towers.

On 15/04/2019 21:28, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 15/04/2019, Andy Burns supposed :
No, at one time there was flame showing through a large section of one
of the tall openings, they've got a hose on it, they don't seem to
have shown that camera angle lately, one hell of a clang if it drops
the bells ...

It looks as if they have it under control now and they are walking round
the balconies of the two towers.

ITYWF they are there to try to stop the fire spreading to the bell tower
- something fire chief has just been reported as saying they aren't
confident of doing. If that tower comes down then the sky will indeed
have fallen in Paris.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

Robin wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

It looks as if they have it under control now and they are walking
round the balconies of the two towers.

ITYWF they are there to try to stop the fire spreading to the bell tower
- something fire chief has just been reported as saying they aren't
confident of doing.* If that tower comes down then the sky will indeed
have fallen in Paris.

Though apparently the bells are in the tower without the flames ...

On Monday, 15 April 2019 19:18:27 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

Priests burning some embarrassing paperwork?

Owain

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?


--
Clive Page

Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire
while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor
Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.


Not just buildings, the Cutty Sark sailing ship caught fire while under
renovation which I believe was caused by an overheated vacuum cleaner that
had been left running unattended, fortunately much of the interior
had been removed to be renovated elsewhere so the damage was less than it
could have been,that isnt practical with large buildings but one thing
that used to and may still take place when ships were worked on in
shipyards and drydocks was when hot work such as welding,cutting etc takes
place you normally have a person present whose job it is to watch out for
fire caused by sparks or heat conduction and make sure the area is safe
before it is left and that person isnt the same one as the one(s) doing
the work.
You would think a similar system would be in place when a particularly old
and valuable building is being worked on, perhaps there was but a drastic
accident like a drum of white spirit being knocked over a heat source took
place.

GH

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote:

Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens
or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors
all over the structure?

Not sure that would help very much. It's the massive timber roofs
that go up then collapse into the building destroying the
contents(*). Those roofs are really just a tinder dry, dust covered,
open aerial bonfires just waiting to be lit and once lit just burn,
you don't stand a chance of putting it out.

(*) Though looking at the drone image, it looks like the Notra Dam
vaulting hadn't collapsed when that was taken so the fire might not
have got into the body of the cathedral. Several thousands of gallons
of water per minute may well have though. B-(

--
Cheers
Dave.

Clive Page wrote in
:

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire
while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor
Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too
burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial
renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in
these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to
something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit
overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and
spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have
been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening.
Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens
or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke
detectors all over the structure?



I totally agree. Would the Fire Dept be consulted on a risk assessment?

In article , Andy Burns
scribeth thus
ARW wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera -
https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/

Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed.

Scaffolding looks near collapse..

Yep.

insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight

No their not so the chief of the fire dept sez..
--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:

Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?

I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care.


NT

On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:

Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?

I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care.


NT

Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement would occur.

On 15/04/2019 20:54, Brian Reay wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

A tragedy.

An opportunity for some nice affordable housing projects.


Whenever we visit Paris (it is normally part of or annual Tour de
France), we make a point of having a picnic by the Seine overlooking
Notre Dame.


The picnic spot will still be there.

On Monday, 15 April 2019 20:48:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

**** isn't it.

They commented on the Beeb earlier that when the Nazis were thrown out
the local Kommandant was ordered to destroy it.

He didn't obey the order.

Now some twit with a Gaulois takes it out. Or something else equally stupid.


ISIS?

On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:57:40 UTC+1, wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:

Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?

I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care.


NT

Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement would occur.

They will likely have insurance.

On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 06:56:04 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:57:40 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:

Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?

I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care.


NT

Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement would occur.

They will likely have insurance.

Captain Obvious strikes again.

Marland wrote:
[snip]
could have been,that isnt practical with large buildings but one thing
that used to and may still take place when ships were worked on in
shipyards and drydocks was when hot work such as welding,cutting etc takes
place you normally have a person present whose job it is to watch out for
fire caused by sparks or heat conduction and make sure the area is safe
before it is left and that person isnt the same one as the one(s) doing
the work.

It was certainly expected even on our little 10.5 metre steel boat
when there was welding being done. It saved the boat from a serious
fire too as I was inside keeping watch while they were welding plates
outside and caught a fire before it got too serious, was still a bit
too exciting for my liking though. I got out sharpish and said there
was a fire, there were three or four hefty lads with breathing
apparatus on inside the boat very quickly!

--
Chris Green
·

Interestingly about 10 other churches in France have been fire bombed in
recent weeks, but somehow I'd imagine security on such a high profile site
would have precluded that as the cause, more likely health and safety
failings by the renovation crew.
Brian

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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

The hunchback did it.

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On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 06:56:04 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:57:40 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:

Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire
while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor
Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too
burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a
substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in
these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near
to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit
overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold
and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must
have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early
evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to
install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked
battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?

I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss.
Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or
stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off
someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster.
It's hard to mandate care.


NT

Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement
would occur.

They will likely have insurance.

Captain Obvious strikes again.

Angel Grinder?

On 16/04/2019 08:59, DerbyBorn wrote:
Angel Grinder?

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page
wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794



My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two.

Bring back Guy Fawkes - would solve a few problems!!!

In article , Davidm
scribeth thus
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page
wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794



My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns
down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation
effort in just a year or two.

Bring back Guy Fawkes - would solve a few problems!!!

Does anyone know if they have metal scaffold planks in France as looking
at the pictures this morning although the roof and wood and presumably
the lead on same have all gone and the scaffold tubes are a bit sagged a
lot, the planking seems intact?

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On 16/04/2019 13:20, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Davidm
scribeth thus
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page
wrote:

On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794



My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns
down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation
effort in just a year or two.

Bring back Guy Fawkes - would solve a few problems!!!

Does anyone know if they have metal scaffold planks in France as looking
at the pictures this morning although the roof and wood and presumably
the lead on same have all gone and the scaffold tubes are a bit sagged a
lot, the planking seems intact?


Dunno about Paris but last time I saw them putting scaffolding up the
Elizabeth Tower ("Big Ben") they were using metal staging boards.

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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 15/04/2019 21:50, Clive Page wrote:

It is a tragedy.Â* But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire
while being renovated.Â* For example in recent years, e.g.Â* Windsor
Castle, York Minster,Â* Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too
burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial
renovation effort in just a year or two.

Why not start work now while the parliamentarian are still in it.



--
djc

(–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿)
No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree.

On 16/04/2019 19:32, Tim Streater wrote:
Good Winky article here about the fire and consequences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire

(much better than the dribs and drabs on the BBC site).

Thank you. A very good read.

It looks like it may not be as bad as I feared - the stone vault is
largely intact.

Andy

"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while
being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York
Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns
down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation
effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these
old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something
flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all
these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely
before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people
around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while
works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small
radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure?

The fire was originally detected but no one could find any fire so it was
assumed to be a false alarm. Turned out when a second alarm went off,
that the first one was real. Corse more alarms would have made the
original decision that it was just a false alarm less likely.

But lots of battery operated smoke detectors all over the
structure would likely see alarms going off like mad when
any real work is done, so wouldnt help much.