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Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 |
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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 The hunchback did it. -- Adam |
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Andy Burns wrote :
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. |
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Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely :
Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. Scaffolding looks near collapse.. |
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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 With apprentices like mine they do not need a blowtorch to set fire to things..... It's still ongoing with the solicitors etc so I cannot name names but the claim is that the fire alarm he fitted set fire to the WMC. -- Adam |
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On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely : Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. Scaffolding looks near collapse.. Yep. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely : Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. Scaffolding looks near collapse.. Yep. insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight |
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On 15/04/2019 19:59, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely : Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. Scaffolding looks near collapse.. Yep. insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight Bloke in the pub has just said that Nigel Farage is on his way with a toasting fork and two slices of white Warburtons sliced bread. -- Adam |
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After serious thinking Andy Burns wrote :
insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight If you mean one of the two towers, I think was just smoke rising up through the tower. I thought they might got more appliances there and maybe water bombed it with a 'chopper. |
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ARW wrote on 15/04/2019 :
On 15/04/2019 19:59, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely : Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. Scaffolding looks near collapse.. Yep. insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight Bloke in the pub has just said that Nigel Farage is on his way with a toasting fork and two slices of white Warburtons sliced bread. :-) |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
If you mean one of the two towers, I think was just smoke rising up through the tower. No, at one time there was flame showing through a large section of one of the tall openings, they've got a hose on it, they don't seem to have shown that camera angle lately, one hell of a clang if it drops the bells ... |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote :
If you mean one of the two towers, I think was just smoke rising up through the tower. I thought they might got more appliances there and maybe water bombed it with a 'chopper. Sparks now, from between the twin towers.. |
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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? **** isn't it. They commented on the Beeb earlier that when the Nazis were thrown out the local Kommandant was ordered to destroy it. He didn't obey the order. Now some twit with a Gaulois takes it out. Or something else equally stupid. Andy |
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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 A tragedy. Whenever we visit Paris (it is normally part of or annual Tour de France), we make a point of having a picnic by the Seine overlooking Notre Dame. -- Smile for the camera ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxyL2_38EsQ https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud https://www.jobcentreguide.org/claim...-benefit-fraud https://childsworldamerica.org/anima...o-child-abuse/ |
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on 15/04/2019, Andy Burns supposed :
No, at one time there was flame showing through a large section of one of the tall openings, they've got a hose on it, they don't seem to have shown that camera angle lately, one hell of a clang if it drops the bells ... It looks as if they have it under control now and they are walking round the balconies of the two towers. |
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On 15/04/2019 21:28, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 15/04/2019, Andy Burns supposed : No, at one time there was flame showing through a large section of one of the tall openings, they've got a hose on it, they don't seem to have shown that camera angle lately, one hell of a clang if it drops the bells ... It looks as if they have it under control now and they are walking round the balconies of the two towers. ITYWF they are there to try to stop the fire spreading to the bell tower - something fire chief has just been reported as saying they aren't confident of doing. If that tower comes down then the sky will indeed have fallen in Paris. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Robin wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote: It looks as if they have it under control now and they are walking round the balconies of the two towers. ITYWF they are there to try to stop the fire spreading to the bell tower - something fire chief has just been reported as saying they aren't confident of doing.* If that tower comes down then the sky will indeed have fallen in Paris. Though apparently the bells are in the tower without the flames ... |
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On Monday, 15 April 2019 19:18:27 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 Priests burning some embarrassing paperwork? Owain |
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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? -- Clive Page |
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Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. Not just buildings, the Cutty Sark sailing ship caught fire while under renovation which I believe was caused by an overheated vacuum cleaner that had been left running unattended, fortunately much of the interior had been removed to be renovated elsewhere so the damage was less than it could have been,that isnt practical with large buildings but one thing that used to and may still take place when ships were worked on in shipyards and drydocks was when hot work such as welding,cutting etc takes place you normally have a person present whose job it is to watch out for fire caused by sparks or heat conduction and make sure the area is safe before it is left and that person isnt the same one as the one(s) doing the work. You would think a similar system would be in place when a particularly old and valuable building is being worked on, perhaps there was but a drastic accident like a drum of white spirit being knocked over a heat source took place. GH |
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote:
Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? Not sure that would help very much. It's the massive timber roofs that go up then collapse into the building destroying the contents(*). Those roofs are really just a tinder dry, dust covered, open aerial bonfires just waiting to be lit and once lit just burn, you don't stand a chance of putting it out. (*) Though looking at the drone image, it looks like the Notra Dam vaulting hadn't collapsed when that was taken so the fire might not have got into the body of the cathedral. Several thousands of gallons of water per minute may well have though. B-( -- Cheers Dave. |
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Clive Page wrote in
: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? I totally agree. Would the Fire Dept be consulted on a risk assessment? |
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scribeth thus ARW wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Harry Bloomfield expressed precisely : Live camera - https://www.rt.com/news/456618-watch...fs-notre-dame/ Looks as if the centre tower and much of the roof has collapsed. Scaffolding looks near collapse.. Yep. insides of the square stone tower(s) now well alight No their not so the chief of the fire dept sez.. -- Tony Sayer Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself. |
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On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care. NT |
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On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care. NT Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement would occur. |
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On 15/04/2019 20:54, Brian Reay wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 A tragedy. An opportunity for some nice affordable housing projects. Whenever we visit Paris (it is normally part of or annual Tour de France), we make a point of having a picnic by the Seine overlooking Notre Dame. The picnic spot will still be there. |
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On Monday, 15 April 2019 20:48:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? **** isn't it. They commented on the Beeb earlier that when the Nazis were thrown out the local Kommandant was ordered to destroy it. He didn't obey the order. Now some twit with a Gaulois takes it out. Or something else equally stupid. ISIS? |
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On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:57:40 UTC+1, wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote: On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care. NT Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement would occur. They will likely have insurance. |
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On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 06:56:04 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:57:40 UTC+1, tabby wrote: On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote: On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to mandate care. NT Make the people involved financially responsible and partial improvement would occur. They will likely have insurance. Captain Obvious strikes again. |
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Marland wrote:
[snip] could have been,that isnt practical with large buildings but one thing that used to and may still take place when ships were worked on in shipyards and drydocks was when hot work such as welding,cutting etc takes place you normally have a person present whose job it is to watch out for fire caused by sparks or heat conduction and make sure the area is safe before it is left and that person isnt the same one as the one(s) doing the work. It was certainly expected even on our little 10.5 metre steel boat when there was welding being done. It saved the boat from a serious fire too as I was inside keeping watch while they were welding plates outside and caught a fire before it got too serious, was still a bit too exciting for my liking though. I got out sharpish and said there was a fire, there were three or four hefty lads with breathing apparatus on inside the boat very quickly! -- Chris Green · |
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Interestingly about 10 other churches in France have been fire bombed in
recent weeks, but somehow I'd imagine security on such a high profile site would have precluded that as the cause, more likely health and safety failings by the renovation crew. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "ARW" wrote in message ... On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 The hunchback did it. -- Adam |
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Angel Grinder? |
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On 16/04/2019 08:59, DerbyBorn wrote:
Angel Grinder? :) |
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page
wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. Bring back Guy Fawkes - would solve a few problems!!! |
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In article , Davidm
scribeth thus On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. Bring back Guy Fawkes - would solve a few problems!!! Does anyone know if they have metal scaffold planks in France as looking at the pictures this morning although the roof and wood and presumably the lead on same have all gone and the scaffold tubes are a bit sagged a lot, the planking seems intact? -- Tony Sayer Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself. |
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On 16/04/2019 13:20, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Davidm scribeth thus On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:50:55 +0100, Clive Page wrote: On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. Bring back Guy Fawkes - would solve a few problems!!! Does anyone know if they have metal scaffold planks in France as looking at the pictures this morning although the roof and wood and presumably the lead on same have all gone and the scaffold tubes are a bit sagged a lot, the planking seems intact? Dunno about Paris but last time I saw them putting scaffolding up the Elizabeth Tower ("Big Ben") they were using metal staging boards. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 15/04/2019 21:50, Clive Page wrote:
It is a tragedy.Â* But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated.Â* For example in recent years, e.g.Â* Windsor Castle, York Minster,Â* Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. Why not start work now while the parliamentarian are still in it. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On 16/04/2019 19:32, Tim Streater wrote:
Good Winky article here about the fire and consequences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire (much better than the dribs and drabs on the BBC site). Thank you. A very good read. It looks like it may not be as bad as I feared - the stone vault is largely intact. Andy |
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"Clive Page" wrote in message ... On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote: Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794 It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art. My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation effort in just a year or two. It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening. Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors all over the structure? The fire was originally detected but no one could find any fire so it was assumed to be a false alarm. Turned out when a second alarm went off, that the first one was real. Corse more alarms would have made the original decision that it was just a false alarm less likely. But lots of battery operated smoke detectors all over the structure would likely see alarms going off like mad when any real work is done, so wouldnt help much. |
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