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On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:56:23 UTC+1, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 15 April 2019 21:51:00 UTC+1, Clive Page wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:


Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794

It is a tragedy. But it seems so many historic buildings catch fire
while being renovated. For example in recent years, e.g. Windsor
Castle, York Minster, Glasgow School of Art.

My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too
burns down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial
renovation effort in just a year or two.

It does seem that building contractors can be awfully careless in these
old buildings: all it takes is a blowlamp left too long near to
something flammable, or a multi-way power adaptor just a bit
overloaded. In all these cases it seems that the fire takes hold and
spreads quite widely before anyone notices: after all there must have
been *lots* of people around in the Notre Dame in early evening.
Wouldn't it be feasible, while works are under way, to install dozens
or even hundreds of small radio-linked battery-operated smoke detectors
all over the structure?


I think the reality too often is people that truly don't give a toss. Add
folk that have no clue what they're doing & people still drunk or stoned
and no surprise things go wrong. I had to take a blowlamp off someone not
too long ago. What he was doing with it was a disaster. It's hard to
mandate care.


Make the people involved financially responsible


Not even possible with places like that.

Not even possible to make their employer financially
responsible with places like that, they'd just go broke
when they produce a result like that.

and partial improvement would occur.


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On 15/04/2019 20:54, Brian Reay wrote:
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Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794


A tragedy.


An opportunity for some nice affordable housing projects.


Whenever we visit Paris (it is normally part of or annual Tour de
France), we make a point of having a picnic by the Seine overlooking
Notre Dame.


The picnic spot will still be there.


So will Notre Dame and hopefully it wont take 200 years to restore it this
time.

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On Monday, 15 April 2019 20:48:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
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**** isn't it.

They commented on the Beeb earlier that when the Nazis were thrown out
the local Kommandant was ordered to destroy it.

He didn't obey the order.

Now some twit with a Gaulois takes it out. Or something else equally
stupid.



ISIS?


More likely someone ****ed up during the renovations, bigot boy.

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On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794




My recommendation: go to see the Palace of Westminster before it too burns
down, as parliamentarians are determined to start a substantial renovation
effort in just a year or two.

Bring back Guy Fawkes


He's a tad smelly now.

- would solve a few problems!!!


And cause a few too.

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ISIS?


More likely someone ****ed up during the renovations, bigot boy.


It's time someone took YOU out, you auto-contradicting senile asshole!

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The picnic spot will still be there.


So will Notre Dame and hopefully it wont take 200 years to restore it this
time.


YOU won't be around anymore by the time it has been restored, you
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Bring back Guy Fawkes


He's a tad smelly now.


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The fire was originally detected but no one


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On Monday, 15 April 2019 20:48:58 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 15/04/2019 19:18, Andy Burns wrote:
Adam, has you apprentice been playing with a blowtorch again?


**** isn't it.

They commented on the Beeb earlier that when the Nazis were thrown out
the local Kommandant was ordered to destroy it.

He didn't obey the order.

Now some twit with a Gaulois takes it out. Or something else equally stupid.

Andy


Map of recent church attacks in France.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&theater&ifg=1


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On 16/04/2019 22:55, Tim Streater wrote:
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On 16/04/2019 19:32, Tim Streater wrote:
Good Winky article here about the fire and consequences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire

(much better than the dribs and drabs on the BBC site).


Thank you. A very good read.

It looks like it may not be as bad as I feared - the stone vault is
largely intact.


Yes, I didn't realise it's a stone vault. I assumed that the ceiling
would burn as well as the roof, leading to both collapsing and burning
everything down below too.

I was recently in the loft of Norwich Catholic Cathedral (you can go up
the tower, and that's the access route. The tower is the highest
accessible point in Norwich; the views are wonderful)

The ceiling there is held up by timbers.

Andy
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