Hi All

I bought a load of these (or at least they look like then) ages ago to terminate my cat 6 cables have clip into a faceplate

https://m.dhgate.com/product/cat6-pu...21.html#pd-104

The cables are run in conduit in the wall and enter the back box either from the top or bottom. There is very little movement in the cables within the conduit. As far as I can make out, these connectors assume the cable comes in horizontally to the rear of the connector. The black plastic connector then helps to keep the individual wires in place and the main cable in position.

Problem is that in my situation, getting cat6 to doing a 90 degree bend is difficult and to do this in such a confined space with little play on the cable in the wall almost impossible without disturbing the wires in the connector.

I'm sure there must be a trick to using these but I can find it. I have tried wiring it so cable comes from above the connector and then pushes in to the connector(ie the top row are shorter wires and the bottom row go over the first and push into the second). This is more doable but I can't fit the connector on to hold the wires in place.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Lee

wrote:

Hi All

I bought a load of these (or at least they look like then) ages ago to
terminate my cat 6 cables have clip into a faceplate

https://m.dhgate.com/product/cat6-pu...tone-module/37
6845421.html#pd-104

The cables are run in conduit in the wall and enter the back box either
from the top or bottom. There is very little movement in the cables within
the conduit. As far as I can make out, these connectors assume the cable
comes in horizontally to the rear of the connector. The black plastic
connector then helps to keep the individual wires in place and the main
cable in position.

Problem is that in my situation, getting cat6 to doing a 90 degree bend is
difficult and to do this in such a confined space with little play on the
cable in the wall almost impossible without disturbing the wires in the
connector.

I'm sure there must be a trick to using these but I can find it. I have
tried wiring it so cable comes from above the connector and then pushes in
to the connector(ie the top row are shorter wires and the bottom row go
over the first and push into the second). This is more doable but I can't
fit the connector on to hold the wires in place.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Lee

Use much deeper back boxes so there is room to bend the cable?

--

Roger Hayter

Unfortunately they are the deep boxes and the walls are already made good so changing them will be difficult. TBH even a deeper box will be problematic as bending the cable seems to dislodge wires. Unless there is a trick to doing this.

There should be a cable tie with the cat6 sockets.

Punch down the wires with the krone tool and then use the cable tie through a hoop that's on the the back of the socket to hold the wires down.

Then refit wall plate and the wires should not dislodge.

On these unfortunately no cable ties or slots for some reason

wrote:

There should be a cable tie with the cat6 sockets.

Punch down the wires with the krone tool and then use the cable tie
through a hoop that's on the the back of the socket to hold the wires
down.

Then refit wall plate and the wires should not dislodge.

That sounds like the type of modular connector that is right for the job
- with cable entry at right angles. But the ones in the OP are
designed to have the cable retained by a special clip in line with the
socket, in the opposite direction. It would be expensive, but perhaps
best, to replace them.

--

Roger Hayter

On 15/04/2019 22:36, wrote:
On these unfortunately no cable ties or slots for some reason


CAT6 has a much stricter bending radius limitation compared
to CAT5.

You might find that all you have achieved is installing CAT5
if you introduce signal errors by bending it too much.

Does a domestic installation actually need CAT6 ?.

Andrew wrote:

Does a domestic installation actually need CAT6 ?.

cat5e is good for 1GbE and 2.5gbE to 100m, 5gbE "up to" 100m, and 10gbE
"up to" 45m, so generally below mansion sizes there's no need to rip it
out if you've already fitted cat5, but put cat6a in for future proofing.

Quick update. After some trial and error I have come up with an alternative which should work for those cases I need it. Essentially bring the cable in from the top (or bottom) and connect the correct wires to the nearest row of connectors. Then for the other row run the 2 left along the left side of the fitting and the 2 right along the right and then connect them in. This way I can put the plastic connector on to hold them in place. Clearly this doesn't help secure the cable itself but it seems secure once the cap is on.

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Essentially bring the cable in from the top (or bottom) and connect
the correct wires to the nearest row of connectors. Then for the
other row run the 2 left along the left side of the fitting and the 2
right along the right and then connect them in.

Careful you don't end up with relatively long sections of untwisted
pairs, which can give you cross-talk.

On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:58:21 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote:

Essentially bring the cable in from the top (or bottom) and connect
the correct wires to the nearest row of connectors. Then for the
other row run the 2 left along the left side of the fitting and the 2
right along the right and then connect them in.

Careful you don't end up with relatively long sections of untwisted
pairs, which can give you cross-talk.

Ah - that doesn't sound good. The length of the longest piece would be about 25mm. Is that too much?

wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Careful you don't end up with relatively long sections of untwisted
pairs, which can give you cross-talk.

Ah - that doesn't sound good. The length of the longest piece would be about 25mm. Is that too much?

Twice as much as you're supposed to have for cat5e, and you're not
supposed to untwist any for cat6.

On Monday, 15 April 2019 18:32:12 UTC+1, wrote:
Hi All

I bought a load of these (or at least they look like then) ages ago to terminate my cat 6 cables have clip into a faceplate

https://m.dhgate.com/product/cat6-pu...21.html#pd-104

The cables are run in conduit in the wall and enter the back box either from the top or bottom. There is very little movement in the cables within the conduit. As far as I can make out, these connectors assume the cable comes in horizontally to the rear of the connector. The black plastic connector then helps to keep the individual wires in place and the main cable in position.

Problem is that in my situation, getting cat6 to doing a 90 degree bend is difficult and to do this in such a confined space with little play on the cable in the wall almost impossible without disturbing the wires in the connector.

I'm sure there must be a trick to using these but I can find it. I have tried wiring it so cable comes from above the connector and then pushes in to the connector(ie the top row are shorter wires and the bottom row go over the first and push into the second). This is more doable but I can't fit the connector on to hold the wires in place.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Lee

Get a box extension.

https://www.edwardes.co.uk/en/produc...4aAiPxEALw_wcB

Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable.

Any thoughts

Lee Nowell wrote:

Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is
least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the
recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable.
What is the cable to actually be used for?

They will largely be used as network sockets. Although most won't actually be used at least for the foreseeable

On 20/04/2019 11:35, Lee Nowell wrote:
Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable.

Any thoughts

As long as you maintain the twist in each pair right to the connections,
you are unlikely to suffer any problems at the distances you are likely
to be running cables.

SteveW

Thanks Steve. Do you mean neither scenario should make a difference?

On 20/04/2019 13:59, Lee Nowell wrote:
Thanks Steve. Do you mean neither scenario should make a difference?

I don't know how important the bend radius is, but as long as the twists
are maintained as far as possible, each leg of a pair will still vary
the same as its twin to any interference and the interface will not see
the common mode noise.

SteveW

Lee Nowell wrote:
They will largely be used as network sockets. Although most won't actually be used at least for the foreseeable

I'm not sure I would advise speculative cat-6 wiring for future proofing.

The rapid improvements in Wifi: high throughput, low latency, mesh, reliable connections suggest you against going to need it.

Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off

Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off


Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough.

As to your other points, bend radius in cat 5e did matter, in so much as a kink in the cable would reduce it from gigabit to 100 Mb/s.

I too have messed up faceplates. Deeper back boxes helped, but most of the time I now just let the wires come out of the wall and use a solid cable RJ45.

But I'm just a novice so listen to the experts.

On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that,
these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got
around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought
I might as well finish the job off


Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on
the point where wireless connections are reliable enough.

But are they fast enough?

I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from
a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection
that is independent of the other connections going on around the house.
Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel
and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours.

SteveW

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On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that,
these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got
around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I
might as well finish the job off


Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on
the point where wireless connections are reliable enough.

But are they fast enough?

Yep, I've been playing videos over wifi for decades now.

I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a
PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that
is independent of the other connections going on around the house.
Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel
and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours.

Still works fine for playing videos.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:58:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Yep, I've been playing videos over wifi for decades now.

I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a
PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that
is independent of the other connections going on around the house.
Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel
and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours.

Still works fine for playing videos.

Oh, darn! And you HAD to **** also in this thread, senile Rodent!

--
"Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed:
"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
MID:

Streaming video in the grand scheme of things doesn't take that much bandwidth so wouldn't be noticeable on wired network. If you were doing large file transfers or frequent file access to a server (eg compiling code stored on the server) then might be more noticeable.

On 21/04/2019 09:13, Steve Walker wrote:
On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that,
these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got
around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought
I might as well finish the job off


Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on
the point where wireless connections are reliable enough.

But are they fast enough?

I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from
a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection
that is independent of the other connections going on around the house.
Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel
and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours.

SteveW

You may be right, my wireless bandwidth is only about two times what the
disks in the server and PC can deliver.

On 21/04/2019 18:05, dennis@home wrote:
On 21/04/2019 09:13, Steve Walker wrote:
On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that,
these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got
around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already
thought I might as well finish the job off


Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp
on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough.

But are they fast enough?

I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it
from a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb
connection that is independent of the other connections going on
around the house. Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all
on the same channel and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are
in use by neighbours.

SteveW

You may be right, my wireless bandwidth is only about two times what the
disks in the server and PC can deliver.

The hardware raid 6 controller in our home server can saturate a gigabit
wired connection by itself as can a couple of our PCs with Raid 0.
Although it is not really required 99% of the time.

Although an 802.11ac wireless connection has a theoretical performance
of 1,300 Mbps, the typical, actual performance is, apparently, more like
200 Mbps and that is shared too.

Admittedly, most people won't have a home server at all and don't
typically hang 4 PCs and 2 laptops off it (usually at least 3 in use),
plus using multiple satellite boxes around the house, all sharing their
tuners and recording and timeshifting continuously to a single box. I
prefer those wired connections and the knowledge that there will be no
bottlenecks crippling recording or timeshift while transferring data
from server to PC or vice-versa.

SteveW

In article , Lee
Nowell scribeth thus
Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse
to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a
90 deg bend in the cable.

Any thoughts

As long as there not any more and close together the twist over that
distance isn't that crucial..

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article , Erik the Pink
scribeth thus
Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these
wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to
terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well
finish the job off


Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point
where wireless connections are reliable enough.

Yes the wireless may well and will be by itself, but the problem is the
amount of interference from other users around these days!...



As to your other points, bend radius in cat 5e did matter, in so much as a kink
in the cable would reduce it from gigabit to 100 Mb/s.

I too have messed up faceplates. Deeper back boxes helped, but most of the time
I now just let the wires come out of the wall and use a solid cable RJ45.

But I'm just a novice so listen to the experts.

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.