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On 16/03/2019 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Chris Green wrote


Turning a handle or pushing a lever
is simply 'work' as in force x distance.


But pressing it with your finger isnt either.


So when you press this 'switch' with a finger, you're not applying a
force which moves a finite distance?


Corse you are, but its the kinetic energy of the finger that
is what generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.


You have show earlier you're incapable of looking up kinetic energy and
so remain ignorant of what kinetic energy is.

Or isn't "work = force x distance" any more?


Pity its the kinetic energy of the finger that is what
generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.

When did that change?


It didnt, stupid.


Are you now claiming kinetic energy is the same as work? Do make up your
mind.
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 00:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 15/03/2019 23:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote:

"Chris Green" wrote in message
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Roger Hayter wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It uses kinetic energy to send a wifi signal to the base.

You were doing well until this point.

That's what it does. No battery no wires.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Per...ting-Synthetic
s/dp/ B0748MQWP3/ref=dp_ob_title_light

I'd prefer to call it mechanical rather then kinetic energy,
without
further information. But perhaps he was suggesting that Wifi
was not
really an appropriate radio protocol for the purpose?

All the makers and sellers of them call them kinetic for some
strange
reason.

That's because that's what they are. They don't use the static force
of the finger on the button, they use the movement of the button.

But the energy supplied is nothing to do with the speed of the press.

Yes, that’s just used to generate a small amount of electrical power.

The energy provided by the finger is force times distance moved.

Wrong with an electrical generator that uses the kinetic energy.

This is not kinetic energy at any stage,

Wrong.

Explain what kinetic energy is?


Look it up for yourself. And it’s the kinetic energy
of the finger stopping that the button that is what
generates the small amount of power needed to
power the zigbee transmitter.


I have, and you continue to show you're clueless.


We'll see...

It shouldn't be difficult unless google is beyond your ability.


Don’t need to goggle it, I have know
what it is for 3/4 of a century, thanks.


Sound like googling is beyond you.


Then you need a new battery in your hearing
aid, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

or if it is, only internal to the machine.

Irrelevant.

The energy supplied by the operator is not kinetic energy.

Wrong. Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee isnt wifi.

Zigbee is a complete protocol stack and a form of low power, low data
rate radio communication. You can call it wireless if you like.

Wifi is a name given to a specific standard IEEE 802.11,


And zigbee is the name of the protocol that is done over that.

you can call it wireless if you like.


I can call it wifi too.


Only someone with a lack of knowledge would call it wifi.


Philips too eh ?

BTW, Wi-Fi is a trademark of the Wi-Fi Alliance.


Whoopy ****ing do.


Which is a standard associated with IEEE 802.11


Duh.

Being wrong is so painful for you.


I'm not wrong, and neither is Philips.

Only an idiot would confuse the two as being the same.


Never said they are the same, idiot.


You're the idiot that said, "Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee isnt
wifi",


That’s not saying they are the same, ****wit.

I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.

whatever did you mean by that?


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Chris Green wrote


Turning a handle or pushing a lever
is simply 'work' as in force x distance.


But pressing it with your finger isnt either.


So when you press this 'switch' with a finger, you're not applying a
force which moves a finite distance?


Corse you are, but its the kinetic energy of the finger that
is what generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.


You have show earlier you're incapable of looking up kinetic energy


Dont need to look it up, I knew what it
was before you were even born, ****wit.

and so remain ignorant of what kinetic energy is.


Philips too eh ? Yeah, right.

Or isn't "work = force x distance" any more?


Pity its the kinetic energy of the finger that is what
generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.

When did that change?


It didnt, stupid.


Are you now claiming kinetic energy is the same as work?


Nope.

Do make up your mind.


Havent changed it, ****wit.

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On 16/03/2019 02:06, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 16/03/2019 00:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 15/03/2019 23:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote:

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
Roger Hayter wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It uses kinetic energy to send a wifi signal to the base.

You were doing well until this point.

That's what it does. No battery no wires.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Per...ting-Synthetic

s/dp/ B0748MQWP3/ref=dp_ob_title_light

I'd prefer to call it mechanical rather then kinetic energy,
without
further information.* But perhaps he was suggesting that Wifi
was not
really an appropriate radio protocol for the purpose?

All the makers and sellers of them call them kinetic for some
strange
reason.

That's because that's what they are. They don't use the static force
of the finger on the button, they use the movement of the button.

But the energy supplied is nothing to do with the speed of the press.

Yes, that’s just used to generate a small amount of electrical power.

The energy provided by the finger is force times distance moved.

Wrong with an electrical generator that uses the kinetic energy.

This is not kinetic energy at any stage,

Wrong.

Explain what kinetic energy is?

Look it up for yourself. And it’s the kinetic energy
of the finger stopping that the button that is what
generates the small amount of power needed to
power the zigbee transmitter.


I have, and you continue to show you're clueless.


We'll see...

It shouldn't be difficult unless google is beyond your ability.

Don’t need to goggle it, I have know
what it is for 3/4 of a century, thanks.


Sound like googling is beyond you.


Then you need a new battery in your hearing
aid, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

or if it is, only internal to the machine.

Irrelevant.

The energy supplied by the operator is not kinetic energy.

Wrong. Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee isnt wifi.

Zigbee is a complete protocol stack and a form of low power, low
data rate radio communication. You can call it wireless if you like.

Wifi is a name given to a specific standard IEEE 802.11,

And zigbee is the name of the protocol that is done over that.

you can call it wireless if you like.

I can call it wifi too.


Only someone with a lack of knowledge would call it wifi.


Philips too eh ?


Even they call it wireless.
BTW, Wi-Fi is a trademark of the Wi-Fi Alliance.

Whoopy ****ing do.


Which is a standard associated with IEEE 802.11


Duh.

Being wrong is so painful for you.


I'm not wrong, and neither is Philips.


Even they call it wireless.

Only an idiot would confuse the two as being the same.


Never said they are the same, idiot.


You're the idiot that said, "Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee
isnt wifi",


That’s not saying they are the same, ****wit.

I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


You've just said "that's not saying they are the same", are you now
agreeing they are different?

whatever did you mean by that?


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


The final sign you have lost your argument, you've been losing a lot of
arguments recently.
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On 15/03/2019 23:24, Rod Speed wrote:


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Turning a handle or pushing a lever
is simply 'work' as in force x distance.


But pressing it with your finger isnt either.


So when you press this 'switch' with a finger, you're not applying a
force which moves a finite distance?

Or isn't "work = force x distance" any more? When did that change?


Oh that changed when climate chage came along and science rewrote the
laws of physics to allow perpetual motion, and called it 'renewable energy'

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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 02:06, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 00:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 15/03/2019 23:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote:

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
Roger Hayter wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It uses kinetic energy to send a wifi signal to the base.

You were doing well until this point.

That's what it does. No battery no wires.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Per...ting-Synthetic
s/dp/ B0748MQWP3/ref=dp_ob_title_light

I'd prefer to call it mechanical rather then kinetic energy,
without
further information. But perhaps he was suggesting that Wifi
was not
really an appropriate radio protocol for the purpose?

All the makers and sellers of them call them kinetic for some
strange
reason.

That's because that's what they are. They don't use the static
force
of the finger on the button, they use the movement of the button.

But the energy supplied is nothing to do with the speed of the
press.

Yes, that’s just used to generate a small amount of electrical power.

The energy provided by the finger is force times distance moved.

Wrong with an electrical generator that uses the kinetic energy.

This is not kinetic energy at any stage,

Wrong.

Explain what kinetic energy is?

Look it up for yourself. And it’s the kinetic energy
of the finger stopping that the button that is what
generates the small amount of power needed to
power the zigbee transmitter.

I have, and you continue to show you're clueless.


We'll see...

It shouldn't be difficult unless google is beyond your ability.

Don’t need to goggle it, I have know
what it is for 3/4 of a century, thanks.

Sound like googling is beyond you.


Then you need a new battery in your hearing
aid, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

or if it is, only internal to the machine.

Irrelevant.

The energy supplied by the operator is not kinetic energy.

Wrong. Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee isnt wifi.

Zigbee is a complete protocol stack and a form of low power, low data
rate radio communication. You can call it wireless if you like.

Wifi is a name given to a specific standard IEEE 802.11,

And zigbee is the name of the protocol that is done over that.

you can call it wireless if you like.

I can call it wifi too.

Only someone with a lack of knowledge would call it wifi.


Philips too eh ?


Even they call it wireless.


Pity it runs over wifi.

BTW, Wi-Fi is a trademark of the Wi-Fi Alliance.

Whoopy ****ing do.

Which is a standard associated with IEEE 802.11


Duh.

Being wrong is so painful for you.


I'm not wrong, and neither is Philips.


Even they call it wireless.


Pity it runs over wifi.

Only an idiot would confuse the two as being the same.


Never said they are the same, idiot.


You're the idiot that said, "Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee
isnt wifi",


That’s not saying they are the same, ****wit.

I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


You've just said "that's not saying they are the same", are you now
agreeing they are different?


Nope, that zigbee runs over wifi with that switch, ****wit.

whatever did you mean by that?


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


The final sign you have lost your argument,


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

you've been losing a lot of arguments recently.


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 15:51:01 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

FLUSH the senile psychopath's psychopathic troll****

Seems more and more people are getting wise to what's the matter with you,
psychopath. BG

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Speed blabbered, again:

Are you now claiming kinetic energy is the same as work?


Nope.

Do make up your mind.


Havent changed it, ****wit.


....and your idiocy and psychopathy keeps getting exposed. I no longer would
be surprised if you were really trolling from a mental institution, senile
Rot. I just suppose they wouldn't allow you to get up and start using the
computer every day from between 1 and 4 am. But that's the only argument
against you being institutionalized.

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I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


Just to help the discussion along, that sentence is complete gibberish.
Zigbee is a low-level protocol used for wireless links. The high level
information needed to implement the button action is sent as a zigbee
message and the zigbee is decoded and the high level message passed on
to a NIC in the receiver which sends the same message to the LAN
(perhaps, from what you say) but no way at all is *zigbee* operating
over Wifi. In fact if the zigbee receiver is plugged in then the
higher-level message never sees wifi, it goes straight into an ethernet
packet.

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On 16/03/2019 04:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 16/03/2019 02:06, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 16/03/2019 00:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 15/03/2019 23:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote:

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
Roger Hayter wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It uses kinetic energy to send a wifi signal to the base.

You were doing well until this point.

That's what it does. No battery no wires.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Per...ting-Synthetic

s/dp/ B0748MQWP3/ref=dp_ob_title_light

I'd prefer to call it mechanical rather then kinetic energy,
without
further information.* But perhaps he was suggesting that Wifi
was not
really an appropriate radio protocol for the purpose?

All the makers and sellers of them call them kinetic for some
strange
reason.

That's because that's what they are. They don't use the static
force
of the finger on the button, they use the movement of the button.

But the energy supplied is nothing to do with the speed of the
press.

Yes, that’s just used to generate a small amount of electrical
power.

The energy provided by the finger is force times distance moved.

Wrong with an electrical generator that uses the kinetic energy.

This is not kinetic energy at any stage,

Wrong.

Explain what kinetic energy is?

Look it up for yourself. And it’s the kinetic energy
of the finger stopping that the button that is what
generates the small amount of power needed to
power the zigbee transmitter.

I have, and you continue to show you're clueless.

We'll see...

It shouldn't be difficult unless google is beyond your ability.

Don’t need to goggle it, I have know
what it is for 3/4 of a century, thanks.

Sound like googling is beyond you.

Then you need a new battery in your hearing
aid, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

or if it is, only internal to the machine.

Irrelevant.

The energy supplied by the operator is not kinetic energy.

Wrong. Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee isnt wifi.

Zigbee is a complete protocol stack and a form of low power, low
data rate radio communication. You can call it wireless if you like.

Wifi is a name given to a specific standard IEEE 802.11,

And zigbee is the name of the protocol that is done over that.

you can call it wireless if you like.

I can call it wifi too.

Only someone with a lack of knowledge would call it wifi.

Philips too eh ?


Even they call it wireless.


Pity it runs over wifi.


Only in your world.

BTW, Wi-Fi is a trademark of the Wi-Fi Alliance.

Whoopy ****ing do.

Which is a standard associated with IEEE 802.11

Duh.

Being wrong is so painful for you.

I'm not wrong, and neither is Philips.


Even they call it wireless.


Pity it runs over wifi.


Only in your world.

Only an idiot would confuse the two as being the same.

Never said they are the same, idiot.

You're the idiot that said, "Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee
isnt wifi",

That’s not saying they are the same, ****wit.

I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


You've just said "that's not saying they are the same", are you now
agreeing they are different?


Nope, that zigbee runs over wifi with that switch, ****wit.


Only in your world.

whatever did you mean by that?

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


The final sign you have lost your argument,


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

you've been losing a lot of arguments recently.


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


A triple admission of failure.



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Rod Speed wrote:



I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


Just to help the discussion along, that sentence is complete gibberish.
Zigbee is a low-level protocol used for wireless links. The high level
information needed to implement the button action is sent as a zigbee
message and the zigbee is decoded and the high level message passed on
to a NIC in the receiver which sends the same message to the LAN
(perhaps, from what you say) but no way at all is *zigbee* operating
over Wifi. In fact if the zigbee receiver is plugged in then the
higher-level message never sees wifi, it goes straight into an ethernet
packet.


I concur with everything you say. Zigbee is designed primarily for
battery powered low data rate applications. It is one of the few
standards that includes the radio hardware.

The only time I have come across Zigbee in my work has been in utility
meters where a gas meter could talk to an electric meter which of course
has the power to retransmit over GSM etc.

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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:
Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Chris Green wrote

Turning a handle or pushing a lever
is simply 'work' as in force x distance.

But pressing it with your finger isnt either.

So when you press this 'switch' with a finger, you're not applying a
force which moves a finite distance?

Corse you are, but its the kinetic energy of the finger that
is what generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.


You have show earlier you're incapable of looking up kinetic energy


Dont need to look it up, I knew what it
was before you were even born, ****wit.

and so remain ignorant of what kinetic energy is.


Philips too eh ?Â* Yeah, right.

Or isn't "work = force x distance" any more?

Pity its the kinetic energy of the finger that is what
generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.

When did that change?

It didnt, stupid.


Are you now claiming kinetic energy is the same as work?


Nope.

Do make up your mind.


Havent changed it, ****wit.


It seems to have done, and now you're in denial.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Oh that changed when climate chage came along and science rewrote the
laws of physics to allow perpetual motion, and called it 'renewable
energy'


Go on then, clever clogs. How would you rename what most understand by
renewable energy?

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Roger Hayter wrote
Rod Speed wrote


I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


Just to help the discussion along, that sentence is complete gibberish.


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

Zigbee is a low-level protocol used for wireless links.


Yes, it doesn’t have to be over wifi, but is with the Hue switches.

The high level information needed to implement the button
action is sent as a zigbee message and the zigbee is decoded
and the high level message passed on to a NIC in the receiver
which sends the same message to the LAN (perhaps, from
what you say) but no way at all is *zigbee* operating over Wifi.


There is nothing else for it to operate over with a Hue system.

In fact if the zigbee receiver is plugged in


It isnt with that switch.

then the higher-level message never sees wifi


Then how does it get from that switch
which isnt wired into anything ?

it goes straight into an ethernet packet.


Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never had a ****ing clue.

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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 04:51, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 02:06, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 16/03/2019 00:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 15/03/2019 23:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote:

"Chris Green" wrote in message
...
Roger Hayter wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:

Fredxx wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It uses kinetic energy to send a wifi signal to the base.

You were doing well until this point.

That's what it does. No battery no wires.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Per...ting-Synthetic
s/dp/ B0748MQWP3/ref=dp_ob_title_light

I'd prefer to call it mechanical rather then kinetic energy,
without
further information. But perhaps he was suggesting that Wifi
was not
really an appropriate radio protocol for the purpose?

All the makers and sellers of them call them kinetic for some
strange
reason.

That's because that's what they are. They don't use the static
force
of the finger on the button, they use the movement of the button.

But the energy supplied is nothing to do with the speed of the
press.

Yes, that’s just used to generate a small amount of electrical
power.

The energy provided by the finger is force times distance moved.

Wrong with an electrical generator that uses the kinetic energy.

This is not kinetic energy at any stage,

Wrong.

Explain what kinetic energy is?

Look it up for yourself. And it’s the kinetic energy
of the finger stopping that the button that is what
generates the small amount of power needed to
power the zigbee transmitter.

I have, and you continue to show you're clueless.

We'll see...

It shouldn't be difficult unless google is beyond your ability.

Don’t need to goggle it, I have know
what it is for 3/4 of a century, thanks.

Sound like googling is beyond you.

Then you need a new battery in your hearing
aid, you pathetic excuse for a bull**** artist.

or if it is, only internal to the machine.

Irrelevant.

The energy supplied by the operator is not kinetic energy.

Wrong. Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee isnt wifi.

Zigbee is a complete protocol stack and a form of low power, low
data rate radio communication. You can call it wireless if you like.

Wifi is a name given to a specific standard IEEE 802.11,

And zigbee is the name of the protocol that is done over that.

you can call it wireless if you like.

I can call it wifi too.

Only someone with a lack of knowledge would call it wifi.

Philips too eh ?

Even they call it wireless.


Pity it runs over wifi.


Only in your world.


In any Hue system, actually.

And trivial to prove that by turning off the
router and having the Hue switch stop working.

BTW, Wi-Fi is a trademark of the Wi-Fi Alliance.

Whoopy ****ing do.

Which is a standard associated with IEEE 802.11

Duh.

Being wrong is so painful for you.

I'm not wrong, and neither is Philips.

Even they call it wireless.


Pity it runs over wifi.


Only in your world.


In any Hue system, actually.

And trivial to prove that by turning off the
router and having the Hue switch stop working.

Only an idiot would confuse the two as being the same.

Never said they are the same, idiot.

You're the idiot that said, "Just as wrong as your claim that zigbee
isnt wifi",

That’s not saying they are the same, ****wit.

I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.

You've just said "that's not saying they are the same", are you now
agreeing they are different?


Nope, that zigbee runs over wifi with that switch, ****wit.


Only in your world.


In any Hue system, actually.

And trivial to prove that by turning off the
router and having the Hue switch stop working.

whatever did you mean by that?

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

The final sign you have lost your argument,


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

you've been losing a lot of arguments recently.


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


A triple admission of failure.


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.



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I have just rubbed your ****wit nose in the FACT that
zigbee is in fact the protocol that is operating over wifi.


Just to help the discussion along, that sentence is complete gibberish.
Zigbee is a low-level protocol used for wireless links. The high level
information needed to implement the button action is sent as a zigbee
message and the zigbee is decoded and the high level message passed on
to a NIC in the receiver which sends the same message to the LAN
(perhaps, from what you say) but no way at all is *zigbee* operating
over Wifi. In fact if the zigbee receiver is plugged in then the higher
-level message never sees wifi, it goes straight into an ethernet packet.


I concur with everything you say.


Changes nothing.

Zigbee is designed primarily for battery powered low data rate
applications.


Irrelevant to the fact that it runs over wifi with a Hue system.

And trivial to prove that by turning the router off and
discovering that the Hue switch being discussed no
longer switches anything when the buttons are pressed
because the Hue base doesnt do wifi, the router does.

It is one of the few standards that includes the radio hardware.


Doesnt have to.

The only time I have come across Zigbee in my work has been in utility
meters where a gas meter could talk to an electric meter which of course
has the power to retransmit over GSM etc.


Irrelevant to the fact that with a Hue system, its done over wifi.

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On 16/03/2019 00:43, Rod Speed wrote:
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Chris Green wrote

Turning a handle or pushing a lever
is simply 'work' as in force x distance.

But pressing it with your finger isnt either.

So when you press this 'switch' with a finger, you're not applying a
force which moves a finite distance?

Corse you are, but its the kinetic energy of the finger that
is what generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.

You have show earlier you're incapable of looking up kinetic energy


Dont need to look it up, I knew what it
was before you were even born, ****wit.

and so remain ignorant of what kinetic energy is.


Philips too eh ? Yeah, right.

Or isn't "work = force x distance" any more?

Pity its the kinetic energy of the finger that is what
generates the small amount of power that powers
the chip that transmits the zigbee signal to the base.

When did that change?

It didnt, stupid.

Are you now claiming kinetic energy is the same as work?


Nope.

Do make up your mind.


Havent changed it, ****wit.


It seems to have done,


Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.

and now you're in denial.


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You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


Shove your Philips Hue up your arse, but don't forget to pull your head out
of it first, senile cretin!

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Irrelevant to the fact that with a Hue system, its done over wifi.


Didn't someone just tell you to shove your Philips Hue up yours, or can't
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Just to help the discussion along, that sentence is complete gibberish.


You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.


You KEEP bull****ting your way into your grave, you abnormal 85-year-old
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