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Gas release valve?
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:57:15 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/03/2019 21:26, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:13:22 -0000, Steve Walker wrote: On 11/03/2019 20:25, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:14:47 -0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 11/03/2019 18:49, Commander Kinsey wrote: So the meter outside my house reduces the pressure? I thought the pressure was lowered for the whole street, like a substation reduces the electricity to 240V. I had noticed on older houses there's some kind of valve seperate from the meter (often exposed to the outdoor weather!), presumably nowadays it's inside the meter. Your meter has a regulator that drops from an already lowish pressure to 20mbar. http://www.gasinfo.uk.com/distribution_page.htm Wow, 20mbar is damn low, I'm surprised that has the desire to move along the pipe. How do things like camping stoves work? I assume the pressure inside a butane cannister is much higher than that, and I don't think they have pressure reducers. I presume that the needle valve and feed to it is sized to be very restrictive for the simple screw on burners. For example, I have a twin burner (Tilly) stove. It's fed from a butane cannister. Since I could operate one or both burners at different rates, there can't be a limiter anywhere that could work unless it's clever enough to adjust pressure independant of flow rate. Perhaps the pressure is quite high, but the taps to control the burners are what restricts it? Or a separate restrictors before each valve - probably just the valve design though. The bigger ones fed by hose from a Calor cyclinder or the like have 28mBar regulators for butane or 37 mBar ones for propane. The different pressures allowing for the different calorific values of the two gases when using the same size jets, so allowing interchanging bottles depending upon the ambient temperatures. Butane won't gas off from the liquid on a cold day. I wasn't aware of that, so I can't use a butane camping stove in winter? Basically correct. You may get away with it, but when temperatures are down to about 4°C, the cylinder cools a little further as the gas is used and it gets the bottle too cold to boil any more gas off. It is not actually a sudden cut-off, it is a reduction in the rate of boiling and so the gas flow is too low for the burners. I didn't know that. I've never used a stove in cold temperatures. So anyone camping in winter uses propane? |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:57:15 +0000, Steve ******, the abnormal, disgusting,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again: actually a sudden cut-off, it is a reduction in the rate of boiling and so the gas flow is too low for the burners. Steve****** I see, there is NO reduction of your sucking his cock, ******! In fact, you seem to acquire a taste for it by the day, senile cocksucker! BG |
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Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:48:48 -0000, Roger Hayter wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 -0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). Are you sure? I looked at one once and I'm sure it had some kind of valve in it to let gas out. When I asked someone at the time, I was told that if it had let off pressure and ignited it, the bright orange lid would have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. Do you often have a problem with people taking the ****? When I don't know what the device does, there's no way of telling which answer is truthful. Strangely, I find the common sense I was born with answers that question pretty conclusively. There could be no circumstances in which excess gas needed to be discharged randomly in the middle of the countryside. If it were necessary it would be done at the origin or termination of the line, and it is equally unlikely that any leak of gas would be deliberately ignited. There can be no doubt about this. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:25:02 -0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:48:48 -0000, Roger Hayter wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 -0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). Are you sure? I looked at one once and I'm sure it had some kind of valve in it to let gas out. When I asked someone at the time, I was told that if it had let off pressure and ignited it, the bright orange lid would have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. Do you often have a problem with people taking the ****? When I don't know what the device does, there's no way of telling which answer is truthful. Strangely, I find the common sense I was born with answers that question pretty conclusively. There could be no circumstances in which excess gas needed to be discharged randomly in the middle of the countryside. If it were necessary it would be done at the origin or termination of the line, and it is equally unlikely that any leak of gas would be deliberately ignited. There can be no doubt about this. Well that's what I thought, and was made clear in my original post. But.... I've seen them. They are not poles with a bright orange marker on top, they have a mechanism inside, they clearly do something with the gas. |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:25:02 +0000, Roger Hayter, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered: Strangely, I find the common sense I was born Strangely, your alleged "common sense" doesn't tell you not to feed that idiotic troll, you brain dead troll-feeding senile idiot! |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:48:48 +0000, Roger Hayter, the mentally challenged,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again: have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. Do you often have a problem with people taking the ****? He NEVER has it with troll-feeding senile idiots like you, troll-feeding senile idiot! |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
Peeler wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:25:02 +0000, Roger Hayter, another mentally challenged, troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered: Strangely, I find the common sense I was born Strangely, your alleged "common sense" doesn't tell you not to feed that idiotic troll, you brain dead troll-feeding senile idiot! I don't share your neurotic obsession with trolls. There are worse things in this world. Not least, Brexit. -- Roger Hayter |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
Peeler wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:48:48 +0000, Roger Hayter, the mentally challenged, troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again: have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. Do you often have a problem with people taking the ****? He NEVER has it with troll-feeding senile idiots like you, troll-feeding senile idiot! That's arguable, actually. Unlike yourself, I am not totally lacking in senses either of humour or of proportion. -- Roger Hayter |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:01:35 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
Strangely, your alleged "common sense" doesn't tell you not to feed that idiotic troll, you brain dead troll-feeding senile idiot! I don't share your neurotic obsession with trolls. There are worse things in this world. Not least, Brexit. I don't share you idiotic obsession with feeding trolls, senile idiot! There is hardly anything worse in this world than idiots like you! |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:03:48 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
He NEVER has it with troll-feeding senile idiots like you, troll-feeding senile idiot! That's arguable, actually. Unlike yourself, I am not totally lacking in senses either of humour or of proportion. You typically senile, complete lack of self-perception noted, troll-feeding senile idiot! |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
Peeler wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:01:35 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote: Strangely, your alleged "common sense" doesn't tell you not to feed that idiotic troll, you brain dead troll-feeding senile idiot! I don't share your neurotic obsession with trolls. There are worse things in this world. Not least, Brexit. I don't share you idiotic obsession with feeding trolls, senile idiot! There is hardly anything worse in this world than idiots like you! You lack perspective. I hesitate to suggest that you are quite mad, but it fits the facts. "Hardly anything worse in the world" than people who encourage trolls on Usenet.[1] What a pampered life you lead! It seems that no-one has ever forgetten to use a tea cosy, or anything really important like that, in your house. [1] Without prejudice to whether I actually believe I am a troll-feeding idiot, of course. -- Roger Hayter |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
Peeler wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:03:48 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote: He NEVER has it with troll-feeding senile idiots like you, troll-feeding senile idiot! That's arguable, actually. Unlike yourself, I am not totally lacking in senses either of humour or of proportion. You typically senile, complete lack of self-perception noted, troll-feeding senile idiot! If I continue to reply to you are going to jump up and down faster and faster, going redder and redder in the face until you actually burst? Or will you let me have the last word? Actually, I'll probably get bored and go to bed long before we get to that point, sadly. But I have seriously considered replying to every single one of your posts, just to see where that gets us. I'm sort of assuming you are a metatroll, and you reckon I like feeding trolls, so .... -- Roger Hayter |
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Gas release valve?
On 11/03/2019 22:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I didn't know that.* I've never used a stove in cold temperatures.* So anyone camping in winter uses propane? Yes, you have to. Otherwise no cooking or heating when it's cold. Bill |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 04:03:59 +0000, Bill Wright, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Yes, you have to. Otherwise no cooking or heating when it's cold. Bill ....another senile idiot who can't resist the dumbest trolls set out by the Scottish ******! Simply unbelievable! LOL |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:48:08 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
I don't share you idiotic obsession with feeding trolls, senile idiot! There is hardly anything worse in this world than idiots like you! [1] Without prejudice to whether I actually believe I am a troll-feeding idiot, of course. Well, you ARE! It IS as simple as that, senile fool! tsk |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 00:48:08 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
Your typically senile, complete lack of self-perception noted, troll-feeding senile idiot! If I continue to reply to you are going to jump up and down faster and faster, going redder and redder in the face until you actually burst? Or will you let me have the last word? Actually, I'll probably get bored and go to bed long before we get to that point, sadly. But I have seriously considered replying to every single one of your posts, just to see where that gets us. I'm sort of assuming you are a metatroll, and you reckon I like feeding trolls, so HAHAHAHAHAHAAA... what a driveling senile asshole you are indeed! Thanks for the entertainment! LOL |
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On 11/03/2019 16:09, Roger Hayter wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). That seems unfair; after a boring day mashing up roadside culverts and the occasional fibre duct, a high pressure gas pipeline would be quite an exciting find for JCB operator. Somebody 'found' the underground fuel line when it ran through the grounds of a large estate, and they dug down, tapped into it and nicked loads of diesel. |
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Andrew writes:
On 11/03/2019 16:09, Roger Hayter wrote: Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). That seems unfair; after a boring day mashing up roadside culverts and the occasional fibre duct, a high pressure gas pipeline would be quite an exciting find for JCB operator. Somebody 'found' the underground fuel line when it ran through the grounds of a large estate, and they dug down, tapped into it and nicked loads of diesel. Yeah, the pipeline company never bothers to measure how much product enters and leaves the pipeline, so they'd never notice such a crime. |
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:33:45 -0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Andrew writes: On 11/03/2019 16:09, Roger Hayter wrote: Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). That seems unfair; after a boring day mashing up roadside culverts and the occasional fibre duct, a high pressure gas pipeline would be quite an exciting find for JCB operator. Somebody 'found' the underground fuel line when it ran through the grounds of a large estate, and they dug down, tapped into it and nicked loads of diesel. Yeah, the pipeline company never bothers to measure how much product enters and leaves the pipeline, so they'd never notice such a crime. I can't tell if that's sarcastic. |
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 04:03:59 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:
On 11/03/2019 22:59, Commander Kinsey wrote: I didn't know that. I've never used a stove in cold temperatures. So anyone camping in winter uses propane? Yes, you have to. Otherwise no cooking or heating when it's cold. I'm surprised they don't say on them they're restricted to warm days. Cold days are when you're more likely to use them! I could understand them not mentioning it if the limit was below -20C or something. But someone said even 6C causes problems. |
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Andy Burns posted for all of us...
Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. Keep this post in the UK. -- Tekkie |
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:52:11 -0000, Tekkie® wrote:
Andy Burns posted for all of us... Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily.. Keep this post in the UK. Don't you have gas in the USA? That's real gas, not that liquid you put in your cars. |
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"Tekkie®" wrote in message ... Andy Burns posted for all of us... Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. Keep this post in the UK. Go and **** yourself. |
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On 3/12/2019 2:16 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:52:11 -0000, Tekkie® wrote: Andy Burns posted for all of us... Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. Keep this post in the UK. Don't you have gas in the USA?* That's real gas, not that liquid you put in your cars. There are 325 million people in the US who call it gas There are 66 million people in the UK who call it petro. We took a vote, you lost. -- Get off my lawn! |
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:42:43 -0000, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 3/12/2019 2:16 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:52:11 -0000, Tekkie® wrote: Andy Burns posted for all of us... Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. Keep this post in the UK. Don't you have gas in the USA? That's real gas, not that liquid you put in your cars. There are 325 million people in the US who call it gas There are 66 million people in the UK who call it petro. We took a vote, you lost. Percentages too difficult for you at school were they? And learn basic chemistry. Gas floats, liquid pours. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rot Speed!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:01:50 +1100, Jac Brown, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote: They do have pressure reducers for the bigger stuff like barbeques. Obviously the Scottish ****** uses you senile cock sucking idiots for "pressure" reducers! LOL -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 05:44:34 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again: Keep this post in the UK. Go and **** yourself. Go and **** off to your Australian ng, senile Ozzie cretin! -- Norman Wells addressing senile Rot: "Ah, the voice of scum speaks." MID: |
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On 11/03/2019 18:32, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/03/2019 16:33, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 -0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). Are you sure?* I looked at one once and I'm sure it had some kind of valve in it to let gas out.* When I asked someone at the time, I was told that if it had let off pressure and ignited it, the bright orange lid would have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. The main pipelines run at some insane pressures & they don't vent. The estimate for the SPL at 100m if our pipeline was breached is 140dB. https://www.sabic.com/en/about/ehss/sabic-uk-pipelines The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:26:21 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 11/03/2019 18:32, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 16:33, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 -0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). Are you sure? I looked at one once and I'm sure it had some kind of valve in it to let gas out. When I asked someone at the time, I was told that if it had let off pressure and ignited it, the bright orange lid would have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. The main pipelines run at some insane pressures & they don't vent. The estimate for the SPL at 100m if our pipeline was breached is 140dB. https://www.sabic.com/en/about/ehss/sabic-uk-pipelines The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. But is it usable? Say the input failed for a while, could we use up what's in the high pressure pipes? Could they transfer it all to low pressure at the normal rate? |
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Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:26:21 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: On 11/03/2019 18:32, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 16:33, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 -0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). Are you sure? I looked at one once and I'm sure it had some kind of valve in it to let gas out. When I asked someone at the time, I was told that if it had let off pressure and ignited it, the bright orange lid would have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. The main pipelines run at some insane pressures & they don't vent. The estimate for the SPL at 100m if our pipeline was breached is 140dB. https://www.sabic.com/en/about/ehss/sabic-uk-pipelines The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. But is it usable? Why do you think gasometers have nearly all disappeared? Our reserves are now stored in the pipeline. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On 14 Mar 2019 22:10:54 GMT, Dim+, another brain damaged, troll-feeding,
senile idiot, blathered: But is it usable? Why do you think gasometers have nearly all disappeared? Our reserves are now stored in the pipeline. Dim Serious question, troll-feeding Dim: HOW RETARDED ARE YOU? |
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:10:54 -0000, Tim+ wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:26:21 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: On 11/03/2019 18:32, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 16:33, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 -0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 11/03/2019 15:46, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:28:57 -0000, Andy Burns wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: hat are those things you see in the middle of nowhere (in the UK at least), a 10 foot high white pole with an orange roof-shaped lid on top? Hi-viz poles to allow the chopper to follow the pipeline route easily. They're not just markers, I'm sure they can actually let off gas. They are simple makers for the helicopter that checks the pipeline to follow with its airborne leak checker. One of the high pressure pipelines runs close to me. They also mark the no dig zone at the roadside (permission required from the pipeline owner Ineos or Shell). Are you sure? I looked at one once and I'm sure it had some kind of valve in it to let gas out. When I asked someone at the time, I was told that if it had let off pressure and ignited it, the bright orange lid would have been blackened, signifying there had been a problem. The main pipelines run at some insane pressures & they don't vent. The estimate for the SPL at 100m if our pipeline was breached is 140dB. https://www.sabic.com/en/about/ehss/sabic-uk-pipelines The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. But is it usable? Why do you think gasometers have nearly all disappeared? I thought it was piped in from the north sea, Russia, whatever. P.S. why did they always stink? Well the ones on Dock Street, Dundee did anyway. Our reserves are now stored in the pipeline. So presumably this pipeline is variable pressure? |
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Gas release valve?
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:10:54 -0000, Tim+ wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:26:21 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. But is it usable? Our reserves are now stored in the pipeline. So presumably this pipeline is variable pressure? https://www.nationalgridgas.com/balancing/nts-linepack " Methodology We determine NTS linepack by calculating the volume of gas within the NTS pipelines, using a network model and instantaneous measurements. The model contains a database of NTS pipeline diameters and lengths, updated as required to accommodate changes to the network. The NTS is divided into pipeline sections, and the volume of gas within each section is determined by multiplication of the pipe free volume by the ratio of the gas density at actual conditions to the gas density at standard temperature and pressure. The actual gas density is computed from a standard equation of state applying pressure, temperature and specific gravity data. The pressure is derived from telemetered measurements at the beginning and end of the pipeline section, and an average network gas temperature is applied. The specific gravity is determined from telemetered measurements at NTS entry and exit points according to a fixed mapping arrangement. The network model then summates the calculated volume of gas for each pipeline section to compute total NTS linepack. The opening NTS linepack for a gas day, which is equivalent to the closing NTS linepack for the preceding gas day, will be the volume calculated by the network model as close to the start of the gas day as possible." From this page https://www.nationalgridgas.com/data-and-operations/transmission-operational-data you can reach http://mip-prod-web.azurewebsites.net/PrevailingViewGraph/ViewReport?prevailingViewGraph=ActualLinepackGraph &gasDate=2019-03-15 which is a graph showing the pressure variations. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:39:31 +0000, Chris J Dixon, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding senile idiot, driveled: So presumably this pipeline is variable pressure? https://www.nationalgridgas.com/balancing/nts-linepack " Methodology We determine NTS linepack by FLUSH ....and yet another troll-feeding senile idiot comes running up to make the Scottish ******'s lastet idiotic troll a success! tsk |
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Gas release valve?
On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:39:31 -0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:10:54 -0000, Tim+ wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:26:21 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. But is it usable? Our reserves are now stored in the pipeline. So presumably this pipeline is variable pressure? https://www.nationalgridgas.com/balancing/nts-linepack " Methodology We determine NTS linepack by calculating the volume of gas within the NTS pipelines, using a network model and instantaneous measurements. The model contains a database of NTS pipeline diameters and lengths, updated as required to accommodate changes to the network. The NTS is divided into pipeline sections, and the volume of gas within each section is determined by multiplication of the pipe free volume by the ratio of the gas density at actual conditions to the gas density at standard temperature and pressure. The actual gas density is computed from a standard equation of state applying pressure, temperature and specific gravity data. The pressure is derived from telemetered measurements at the beginning and end of the pipeline section, and an average network gas temperature is applied. The specific gravity is determined from telemetered measurements at NTS entry and exit points according to a fixed mapping arrangement. The network model then summates the calculated volume of gas for each pipeline section to compute total NTS linepack. The opening NTS linepack for a gas day, which is equivalent to the closing NTS linepack for the preceding gas day, will be the volume calculated by the network model as close to the start of the gas day as possible." From this page https://www.nationalgridgas.com/data-and-operations/transmission-operational-data you can reach http://mip-prod-web.azurewebsites.net/PrevailingViewGraph/ViewReport?prevailingViewGraph=ActualLinepackGraph &gasDate=2019-03-15 which is a graph showing the pressure variations. Why did we used to need gasometers? Surely a high pressure pipeline isn't something really technologically advanced? |
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Gas release valve?
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message news On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:39:31 -0000, Chris J Dixon wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:10:54 -0000, Tim+ wrote: Commander Kinsey wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:26:21 -0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: The high pressure network represents a significant proportion of the country's stored gas. But is it usable? Our reserves are now stored in the pipeline. So presumably this pipeline is variable pressure? https://www.nationalgridgas.com/balancing/nts-linepack " Methodology We determine NTS linepack by calculating the volume of gas within the NTS pipelines, using a network model and instantaneous measurements. The model contains a database of NTS pipeline diameters and lengths, updated as required to accommodate changes to the network. The NTS is divided into pipeline sections, and the volume of gas within each section is determined by multiplication of the pipe free volume by the ratio of the gas density at actual conditions to the gas density at standard temperature and pressure. The actual gas density is computed from a standard equation of state applying pressure, temperature and specific gravity data. The pressure is derived from telemetered measurements at the beginning and end of the pipeline section, and an average network gas temperature is applied. The specific gravity is determined from telemetered measurements at NTS entry and exit points according to a fixed mapping arrangement. The network model then summates the calculated volume of gas for each pipeline section to compute total NTS linepack. The opening NTS linepack for a gas day, which is equivalent to the closing NTS linepack for the preceding gas day, will be the volume calculated by the network model as close to the start of the gas day as possible." From this page https://www.nationalgridgas.com/data-and-operations/transmission-operational-data you can reach http://mip-prod-web.azurewebsites.net/PrevailingViewGraph/ViewReport?prevailingViewGraph=ActualLinepackGraph &gasDate=2019-03-15 which is a graph showing the pressure variations. Why did we used to need gasometers? Because of the way gas was generated then, locally, instead coming out of the ground hundreds of miles away. Surely a high pressure pipeline isn't something really technologically advanced? Correct. bit not necessary when the gas is generated locally. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rot Speed!
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:26:03 +1100, Jac Brown, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote: Because of the way gas was generated then, locally, instead coming out of the ground hundreds of miles away. Surely a high pressure pipeline isn't something really technologically advanced? Correct. bit not necessary when the gas is generated locally. More "off the cuff expertise", you abnormal senile driveling idiot? LOL -- pamela about Rot Speed: "His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..." MID: |
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