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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way?
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On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? With phone and electric poles the strainers oppose the net force of the cables, whether it's the end of a run or a sharp corner. Bill |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:10:55 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:
On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? With phone and electric poles the strainers oppose the net force of the cables, whether it's the end of a run or a sharp corner. Ah, that makes sense. So in a straight line the pole is ok, but on a corner it's getting yanked too much one way. I think in my neighbour's case, as the chimney comes through the roof, there isn't room to attach a wire anywhere else, I suppose he might have something else inside the roof counteracting it. |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:10:55 +0000, Bill Wright, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: With phone and electric poles the strainers oppose the net force of the cables, whether it's the end of a run or a sharp corner. Bill ....and troll-feeding senile idiot no.1 appeared to take the Scottish ******'s latest idiotic bait! BG |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On 10/03/2019 14:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:10:55 -0000, Bill Wright wrote: On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? With phone and electric poles the strainers oppose the net force of the cables, whether it's the end of a run or a sharp corner. Ah, that makes sense.* So in a straight line the pole is ok, but on a corner it's getting yanked too much one way. I think in my neighbour's case, as the chimney comes through the roof, there isn't room to attach a wire anywhere else, I suppose he might have something else inside the roof counteracting it. Sometimes chimneys are guyed or otherwise braced only to prevent them falling in the direction that would be most dangerous or destructive. Bill |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:30:19 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:
On 10/03/2019 14:49, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:10:55 -0000, Bill Wright wrote: On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? With phone and electric poles the strainers oppose the net force of the cables, whether it's the end of a run or a sharp corner. Ah, that makes sense. So in a straight line the pole is ok, but on a corner it's getting yanked too much one way. I think in my neighbour's case, as the chimney comes through the roof, there isn't room to attach a wire anywhere else, I suppose he might have something else inside the roof counteracting it. Sometimes chimneys are guyed or otherwise braced only to prevent them falling in the direction that would be most dangerous or destructive. That's a point - there's a glass roofed conservatory below it. Falling onto roof tiles probably wouldn't damage much. |
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:45:31 -0000, Robin wrote:
On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? I can't see from this far away. Are you suggesting it can take a force in more than one direction? Even if it can, it would only be push and pull, not sideways. |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On 3/10/2019 9:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Did it ever occur to you to ask your neighbor? |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:30:19 +0000, Bill Wright, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Sometimes chimneys are guyed or otherwise braced only to prevent them falling in the direction that would be most dangerous or destructive. Bill Sometimes a miserable senile idiot like you can't get enough of sucking the unwashed Scottish ******'s cock! tsk |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:45:31 +0000, Robin, another mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled: Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? ....and troll-feeding senile idiot no.2 appeared who couldn't resist taking the attention-starved Scottish ******'s latest idiotic bait! BG |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:06:10 -0400, Bod F, another brain-damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Did it ever occur to you to ask your neighbor? Why should he, when he can have so much fun asking all you senile idiots on these groups, knowing that you a few of you will ALWAYS run along to suck him off, time and again! LOL |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:06:10 -0000, Bod F wrote:
On 3/10/2019 9:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Did it ever occur to you to ask your neighbor? A) It's a weird thing to go round and ask. B) Nobody likes him. C) He's my neighbour, not my neighbor. |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On 3/10/19 3:53 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:45:31 -0000, Robin wrote: On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? I can't see from this far away.* Are you suggesting it can take a force in more than one direction?* Even if it can, it would only be push and pull, not sideways. Maybe there is a second solid brace you can't see. That would make a triangle. Those are pretty solid. |
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Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? The weight of the cables puts an assymetric laod on the poles near the end of long cable runs -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift. |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:26:11 -0000, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 3/10/19 3:53 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:45:31 -0000, Robin wrote: On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? I can't see from this far away. Are you suggesting it can take a force in more than one direction? Even if it can, it would only be push and pull, not sideways. Maybe there is a second solid brace you can't see. That would make a triangle. Those are pretty solid. If there's anything else it's under the roof tiles. |
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Yes back in the old days you could often see men in vans going around
tightening up these cables. I assume the wire that ran between poles also had some kind of steel component to make sure it had the strength. As for chimneys etc, theat is a whole other issue. Sounds a bit like a bodge! Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? With phone and electric poles the strainers oppose the net force of the cables, whether it's the end of a run or a sharp corner. Bill |
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On 11/03/2019 02:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:26:11 -0000, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 3/10/19 3:53 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:45:31 -0000, Robin wrote: On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? I can't see from this far away.* Are you suggesting it can take a force in more than one direction?* Even if it can, it would only be push and pull, not sideways. ***** Maybe there is a second solid brace you can't see.** That would make a triangle. Those are pretty solid. If there's anything else it's under the roof tiles. If the support is split between above and below the roof then it implies significant stiffness in the pipe itself. Which if true suggests it does not need an external cable. I suspect it was installed for largely cosmetic reasons rather than for sound engineering principles. If it does eventually fall down the cable will probably stop it crashing to the ground and causing personal injury ;-) |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:26:11 -0500, Dean Hoffman, another obviously mentally
challenged troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again: Maybe there is a second solid brace you can't see. Maybe the Scottish ****** is just an attention-starved troll, which you, like some other seniles, can't see because of your senility. |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On Monday, 11 March 2019 09:33:59 UTC, Bob Minchin wrote:
I suspect it was installed for largely cosmetic reasons rather than for sound engineering principles. Even a single cable would damp resonances of the pipe (in at least one direction). John |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:33:46 +0000, Bob Minchin, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: If the support is split between above and below the roof then it implies ....yet another mentally challenged senile idiot who doesn't get what's going on! LOL |
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Holding a pole up with only one cable?
On 3/10/2019 5:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:06:10 -0000, Bod F wrote: On 3/10/2019 9:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one.* Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW).* Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Did it ever occur to you to ask your neighbor? A) It's a weird thing to go round and ask. Seems you are afraid of him.* Why? B) Nobody likes him. Why the hate? C) He's my neighbour, not my neighbor. Old English is really ****ed up.* The sensible way to spell it is "nābər". |
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Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 07:08:37 -0400, Bod F, another brain-damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Old English is really ****ed up.* The sensible way to spell it is "nābər". There's NO sensible way that sociopathic asshole and ******, you insensible troll-feeding senile idiot! tsk |
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:36:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Same thing is observed on telephone poles.* Any explanation?* Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? The weight of the cables puts an assymetric laod on the poles near the end of long cable runs Though coming from the weight the tension in a phone line is much higher to get a shallowish catenery so the line doesn't flail about too much in the wind. It's really only poles at the end of a line or where the line sharply changes direction that have assymetric forces. With poles roughly equally spaced and in a row the forces balance out. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:43:45 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
I assume the wire that ran between poles also had some kind of steel component to make sure it had the strength. Dropwire No.10 has two copper pairs and 3 brassed steel strainer wires and a very tough polyethylene jacket. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:33:46 -0000, Bob Minchin wrote:
On 11/03/2019 02:03, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:26:11 -0000, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 3/10/19 3:53 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:45:31 -0000, Robin wrote: On 10/03/2019 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Are you sure it's a cable and not a rigid rod/pipe that braces the flue? I can't see from this far away. Are you suggesting it can take a force in more than one direction? Even if it can, it would only be push and pull, not sideways. Maybe there is a second solid brace you can't see. That would make a triangle. Those are pretty solid. If there's anything else it's under the roof tiles. If the support is split between above and below the roof then it implies significant stiffness in the pipe itself. Which if true suggests it does not need an external cable. I suspect it was installed for largely cosmetic reasons rather than for sound engineering principles. If it does eventually fall down the cable will probably stop it crashing to the ground and causing personal injury ;-) It does look quite stiff, but it's a tall chimney and there could be a fair force on it from wind, which they won't want transferred to where it's attached to the stove, which could cause a leak of fumes into the house. |
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:08:37 -0000, Bod F wrote:
On 3/10/2019 5:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:06:10 -0000, Bod F wrote: On 3/10/2019 9:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: My neighbour has a tall chimney (for a wood burning stove) with a supporting cable, but only one. Obviously the wind doesn't always come from that direction (in fact the cable is to the SE of the chimney, and the prevailing wind here is SW). Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? Did it ever occur to you to ask your neighbor? A) It's a weird thing to go round and ask. Seems you are afraid of him. Why? No, I just think it's weird to knock on the door of someone you don't know and ask an odd and inquisitive question about his house. B) Nobody likes him. Why the hate? He breeds dogs, which make a lot of noise, then has the cheek to complain about every little thing that others do. The smoke from that chimney has now ****ed off even more folk (not me, I like the smell). C) He's my neighbour, not my neighbor. Old English is really ****ed up. The sensible way to spell it is "nābər". Sounds like Arabic. |
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I think it's a DIY job. Everything else he does is, and to the cheapest/easiest specs possible.
On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:43:45 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes back in the old days you could often see men in vans going around tightening up these cables. I assume the wire that ran between poles also had some kind of steel component to make sure it had the strength. As for chimneys etc, theat is a whole other issue. Sounds a bit like a bodge! Brian |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:36:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Same thing is observed on telephone poles. Any explanation? Is the pole put in at a bit of an angle so it's always leaning one way? The weight of the cables puts an assymetric laod on the poles near the end of long cable runs Though coming from the weight the tension in a phone line is much higher to get a shallowish catenery so the line doesn't flail about too much in the wind. That isnt what happens here. Where the phone line isnt underground, its on the power poles and the power lines are the problem. We don't have any catenery with our phone lines. Even the much older aerial phone lines seen in rural areas run by themselves have no catenery at all. It's really only poles at the end of a line or where the line sharply changes direction that have assymetric forces. With poles roughly equally spaced and in a row the forces balance out. |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 04:24:31 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again: That isnt what happens here. Where's "here"? In Ozzieland? Then **** off to an Ozzie newsgroup, senile idiot! No, wait, they actually chased you obnoxious cretin away from there! LOL -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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