If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

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Its amazing to me how we have got to this washing program place. When I was
young we had a twin tub and it all seemed to be easy, obviously more manual
work was involved to some extent, but I do not remember the clothing coming
out any less clean than now.
Is this all a lot of hype to sell more different washing products at higher
prices and to make machines far more complicated?
Brian

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"harry" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Its amazing to me how we have got to this washing program place. When I
was young we had a twin tub and it all seemed to be easy, obviously more
manual work was involved to some extent, but I do not remember the
clothing coming out any less clean than now.

Is this all a lot of hype to sell more different washing products at
higher prices and to make machines far more complicated?

Nope, modern machines do use much less water and are
much easier to use, just chuck the clothes in and take them
out later when it says its finished. Some not only wash the
clothes, they dry them too. Your twin tub never did that.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 07:33:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Nope, modern machines do use much less water

If someone wanted your senile opinion, senile idiot, they would have rattled
your cage!

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On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

--
Andrew

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.
In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.

Nope, the real reason that all the new machines are cold
fill is because they now use so little water that you dont
get much if any hot water with a hot fill anymore.

In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:22:47 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.

Nope

HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Seriously, do you got some sort of tiny orgasm, any time you
find an occasion to auto-contradict, you abnormal pathological
auto-contradicting senile idiot? LOL

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On 11/03/2019 08:38, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

--
Andrew

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.
In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.


The reason is that its cheaper and they don't use anything like as much
hot water.

Hot and Cold fill washing machines had bio cycles which kept the temp
down anyway.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 11/03/2019 08:38, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

--
Andrew

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.
In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.


The reason is that its cheaper and they don't use anything like as much
hot water.

The main reason is that since they use so little water at each fill,
you would get **** all hot water into the machine even if it did
have a hot water line because that little water would just see hot
water in the line, not the washing machine.

Hot and Cold fill washing machines had bio cycles which kept the temp down
anyway.

Neither of mine does and they are both older top loader hot and cold fill
machines.

On Monday, 11 March 2019 10:29:27 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/03/2019 08:38, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

--
Andrew

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.
In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.


The reason is that its cheaper and they don't use anything like as much
hot water.

Hot and Cold fill washing machines had bio cycles which kept the temp
down anyway.

Expense comes into it.
But all washing benefits from a start incold water.
Stains are not set in by being dunked with hot water.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 March 2019 10:29:27 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/03/2019 08:38, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with
lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled
temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high
temperature
washes).

--
Andrew

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.
In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.


The reason is that its cheaper and they don't use anything like as much
hot water.

Hot and Cold fill washing machines had bio cycles which kept the temp
down anyway.

Expense comes into it.
But all washing benefits from a start incold water.

Wrong, as always.

Stains are not set in by being dunked with hot water.

Not all washing has stains, stupid.

On 12/03/2019 08:02, harry wrote:
On Monday, 11 March 2019 10:29:27 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 11/03/2019 08:38, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 10 March 2019 08:35:51 UTC, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
On 10/03/2019 08:13, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 16:42:21 UTC, Scott wrote:
If I use pre-wash on a 60 degree wash programme, what temperature is
the pre-wash likely to be? My understanding is that the pre-wash
should be at a lower temperature using biological detergent with lots
of pauses before moving on to the main wash, where biological
detergent should not be needed due to the temperature.

On most machines, just cold water.
Ideal for removing caked on mud (eg football jerseys)

Yes, should be cold, which will also help remove some types of organic
soiling which can be cooked on before they get cleaned, such as some
proteins (although modern washing machines are all profiled temperature
washes, starting off below 35C to achieve this even on high temperature
washes).

--
Andrew

It is the reason why all new machines are cold fill.
In days of yore, most machines filled with both hot and cold water.


The reason is that its cheaper and they don't use anything like as much
hot water.

Hot and Cold fill washing machines had bio cycles which kept the temp
down anyway.

Expense comes into it.
But all washing benefits from a start incold water.
Stains are not set in by being dunked with hot water.


As I said above H&C fill doesn't mean you always fill with H.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 06:30:59 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


The reason is that its cheaper and they don't use anything like as much
hot water.

The main reason is

LOL Senile Ozzie troll knows it better, AGAIN!

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 20:02:24 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Expense comes into it.
But all washing benefits from a start incold water.

Wrong, as always.

Nope, but more auto-contradicting, as always, you senile idiotic
auto-contradictor!

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