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Its interesting as if it was an assistance dog, the law requires they take
it. Pets are a whole other thing. Legally for assistance dogs the cab driver
has to carry them unless they can show a medical certificate.
However a lot of people and this includes many Muslims are actually
frightened of dogs. Indeed some ****less. Now whether its due to the
indoctrination of them about dogs, or whether its from experience I do not
know.
I might suggest you talk to a company who has done work for people with
assistance dogs and ask if a driver would be able to be used for yourself.
It seems silly if they are forced to do the jobs by legislation but cannot
find the drivers they find for the disabled for yourself.

Most of the drivers I see when i travel with a friend with a dog, have a
throw in the back and the dog has to sit in the footwell.

This is how assistance dogs are taught to travel, ie not on the seat with
their heads hanging out of the window!
Having said all of that however, the number of no shows of taxis for guide
dog users is going up. This is probably because they know they would get a
1500 quid fine if they refused, to carry the dog and hence they see the dog
from down the street and go right past. I feel there has to be collusion in
this from the operator though but they deny it.
Brian

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I'm getting no younger and have considered after 47 years on the road
giving up driving.

I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area that
would carry me and my dog to the vets - even though I said it would be
well paid. Any mess, which would be unthinkable I would clean up and pay
much compensation. I've pushed the issue with the taxi companies and
always, after much pushing more or less got the same answer - religion.
Islam considers dogs to be inpure.

If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?




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Yes dogs can be certified but they have to be through the formal training.
He says its a small dog, Can it be carried in a crate?
This is often a good idea for vets in any case to stop the waiting room
posing that tends to go on with some dogs which have not been well trained.
Personally I think dogs and owners should need to pass an exam, as there
are a a lot of people who keep dogs for the wrong reasons, and these are the
dogs left to wander or worry or attack other working dogs, or whatever. You
can see them if you can see as they lay into anything they don't like.


However I do not see that we should be punishing Muslims over something they
learned from their religion, rather we should be seeking to get the message
across to the society they live in that a working dog is a working dog, and
that they are the good ones. That however will not help the original poster
with the issue, so I think pop into a local cab company you know local blind
people use and just ask the question if they would be willing to help.
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On Monday, 4 March 2019 21:14:43 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area that
would carry me and my dog to the vets
If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?


No, because that would be discrimination on the ground of a protected
characteristic.

Having a dog is not a protected characteristic.

If the dog were a registered assistance dog then you would be protected
by the protected characteristic of disability and would be able to
complain to the taxi licensing authority or sue the taxi driver.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...llegal-drivers

Owain


Which poses the interesting question as to the differences between a dog,
a therapy dog, and an assistance dog.

My wife is getting a bit deaf, and her (vanilla) dog certainly helps to
make sure the door-bell is never missed.



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Well yes that is one way of looking at it, but it is true also that if you
are in certain areas around here at night when the pubs and clubs chuck out,
most cab companies are mysteriously fully booked. On talking to the drivers
it is apparently all too common for drunk folk to throw up in the back of a
cab and this takes hours to clean up, Also the number of fights that break
out in the back of cabs is also increasing, so many drivers only take
private jobs and most know the danger signs and refuse.
Its a sad inditement on our society.

Oh yes and its amazing how many people who claim to be Muslim seem to get
themselves drunk. One thing they have obviously learned from the English,
how to be a lout!

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On 04/03/2019 21:14, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I'm getting no younger and have considered after 47 years on the road
giving up driving.

I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area that
would carry me and my dog to the vets - even though I said it would be
well paid. Any mess, which would be unthinkable I would clean up and pay
much compensation. I've pushed the issue with the taxi companies and
always, after much pushing more or less got the same answer - religion.
Islam considers dogs to be inpure.

If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?


Blimey. I've been driving since 1966 and I have no intention of giving up.
Thats 52 years!

Team up with a mate locally to drive you and do something you can still do
in return

Old people need to look out for easch other. No other **** is.

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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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I'm getting no younger and have considered after 47 years on the road
giving up driving.

I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area that
would carry me and my dog to the vets - even though I said it would be
well paid. Any mess, which would be unthinkable I would clean up and pay
much compensation. I've pushed the issue with the taxi companies and
always, after much pushing more or less got the same answer - religion.
Islam considers dogs to be inpure.

If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?


I'm Halal intolerant as well......


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I was asked last year by someone who sometimes drives a taxi as his
council's guidance was vague.


You were asked? To do what?


What the legal story is, stupid.


Was someone talking to you, you psychopathic senile Ozzie pest?

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Well yes that is one way of looking at it, but it is true also that if you
are in certain areas around here at night when the pubs and clubs chuck
out, most cab companies are mysteriously fully booked. On talking to the
drivers it is apparently all too common for drunk folk to throw up in the
back of a cab and this takes hours to clean up, Also the number of fights
that break out in the back of cabs is also increasing, so many drivers
only take private jobs and most know the danger signs and refuse.
Its a sad inditement on our society.

Oh yes and its amazing how many people who claim to be Muslim seem to get
themselves drunk. One thing they have obviously learned from the English,
how to be a lout!


One I know well didn’t need anyone to teach him and he did it back in
Turkey.

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On 04/03/2019 21:14, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I'm getting no younger and have considered after 47 years on the road
giving up driving.

I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area that
would carry me and my dog to the vets - even though I said it would be
well paid. Any mess, which would be unthinkable I would clean up and pay
much compensation. I've pushed the issue with the taxi companies and
always, after much pushing more or less got the same answer - religion.
Islam considers dogs to be inpure.

If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?


Blimey. I've been driving since 1966 and I have no intention of giving
up. Thats 52 years!

Team up with a mate locally to drive you and do something you can still
do in return

Old people need to look out for easch other. No other **** is.

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On Monday, 4 March 2019 21:14:43 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?


You could probably keep a dog with you in the cab though "for security" :-)

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"Jim K.." wrote in message
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Robin Wrote in message:
On 04/03/2019 23:38, Jim K.. wrote:
Robin Wrote in message:
On 04/03/2019 22:28, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2019 22:16, wrote:
On Monday, 4 March 2019 21:14:43 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area
that
would carry me and my dog to the vets
If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger
a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?

No, because that would be discrimination on the ground of a protected
characteristic.

Having a dog is not a protected characteristic.

If the dog were a registered assistance dog then you would be
protected by the protected characteristic of disability and would be
able to complain to the taxi licensing authority or sue the taxi
driver.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...llegal-drivers


Owain


Which poses the interesting question as to the differences between a
dog, a therapy dog, and an assistance dog.

What matters for the obligations on taxis and PHVs is whether or not
the
dog is an "assistance dog" for the purposes of the Equality Act as
defined there.


My wife is getting a bit deaf, and her (vanilla) dog certainly helps
to
make sure the door-bell is never missed.

You'd need to be ready to show the dog had "been trained to assist a
deaf person".

And details differ around UK as powers are devolved.


You just happen to know?


I was asked last year by someone who sometimes drives a taxi as his
council's guidance was vague.


You were asked? To do what?


What the legal story is, stupid.



Is he a lawyer, ****wit?
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 20:25:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
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One I know well didnąt need anyone to teach him and he did it back in
Turkey.


You don't know ANYONE, you psychopathic forsaken senile pest! It's why you
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On Monday, 4 March 2019 21:14:43 UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I have a little dog. There is not a single taxi company in my area that
would carry me and my dog to the vets
If I was a Christian taxi driver, could I refuse a Muslim passenger a
journey as I DO consider them to be inpure?


No, because that would be discrimination on the ground of a protected
characteristic.

Having a dog is not a protected characteristic.

If the dog were a registered assistance dog then you would be protected by
the protected characteristic of disability and would be able to complain
to the taxi licensing authority or sue the taxi driver.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...llegal-drivers



My feeling is that if you choose to do a customer-facing role, whether it is
a taxi driver, a maker of cakes or a proprietor of a hotel, you undertake to
put the law of the land ahead of your own personal feelings.

So you commit to drive all passengers, even those with dogs; you commit to
make cakes for gay/lesbian weddings; you commit to allow gay/lesbian couples
to stay in your hotel.

If you have a *medical* reason not to, fine: that's a valid reason. If it is
merely a religious one, then that is about the worst excuse anyone could
give.

In other words: if you don't like dogs/gays - find another job where your
prejudices won't be against the anti-discrimination law of the land.



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